Apparently, Clemson went hard after Currie

[michigancat]

Frank has commitments from two 4 star players at South Carolina.

i'm guessing frank had offered them while he was still at k-state, right?

Frank is damaged goods.

[Belvis Noland]

Don't know/care whether you are a oscar apologist or not, but just watch.  The "can't recruit to K-State" talking point is going to come back with a vengeance, whether you individually make that argument or not.

Well, like I said, I'll never make the argument.  Never have.  Days of Timmy Weiser are over.  All things KSTATEO seem to be diminishing.  In all seriousness, this is as close to a golden era as fans have had in K-State sports history.  I hope that with the NCAA bball and football success and the massive facility upgrades, and with the night and day transformation of the general fan experience, fans will fiercly resist devolving into another era of Wooly mediocrity. 

I hope I'm not wrong.  Ironically, the worst thing that could happen is sustained football success.  See Nebraska. 

[Saulbadguy]

We've come a long way. 

[michigancat]

We've come a long way. 

But don't you feel like we've thrown it all away?

[catzacker]

We've come a long way. 

But don't you feel like we've thrown it all away?

yes.  not all away right now.  I think it will eventually all go away, but slowly.

[Dr Rick Daris]

we never would've hired huggins in the first place if bill was going to bcs games at the time. goodbye basketball. maybe some day we'll meet again.

[Saulbadguy]

We've come a long way. 

But don't you feel like we've thrown it all away?

No, I certainly don't. I don't think the expectation to win will go down dramatically.

[CNS]

We've come a long way. 

But don't you feel like we've thrown it all away?

No, I certainly don't. I don't think the expectation to win will go down dramatically.

This season, or at anytime in oscar's time here?  I agree with this season, but I think a large part of our base will be just fine if he wins less than Frank did, eventually.

[0.42]

Saul, you're underestimating the ability of tucks to accept mediocrity.

[Saulbadguy]

Saul, you're underestimating the ability of tucks to accept mediocrity.

You're underestimating the ability of goEMAW to be a catalyst of change.

[0.42]

I hope you're right.

[michigancat]

Saul, you're underestimating the ability of tucks to accept mediocrity.

You're underestimating the ability of goEMAW to be a catalyst of change.

maybe. The Huggins hiring effort went amazingly well, but the oscar hire was spectacularly horrible.

[0.42]

Saul, you're underestimating the ability of tucks to accept mediocrity.

You're underestimating the ability of goEMAW to be a catalyst of change.

maybe. The Huggins hiring effort went amazingly well, but the oscar hire was spectacularly horrible.

Yeah. Huggins and the plane banner were great. But Currie doesn't give a flying eff about what we think, nor will he ever. The challenge in affecting change in basketball is now much higher.

[Dr Rick Daris]

98% of our fan base is perfectly fine having a consistent bubble team as long as we do things the right way and are going to bowl games. this is a fact.

[michigancat]

98% of our fan base is perfectly fine having a consistent bubble team as long as we do things the right way and are going to bowl games. this is a fact.

I don't think we'll have that after Angel leaves. And then we'll fire oscar and go the conventional route - hire some slob from Oral Roberts or SW Missouri State that had a nice run in the tournament who flounders, then we will rinse and repeat.

One of the nice things about the Huggins timing was the sense of desperation surrounding the program. Without that desperation, people are OK hiring Johnny Mid-Major over and over and over.

[mocat]

There was a moment, fleeting though it may have been, where I truly honest to God thought we were going to hire Doug Gottlieb. The moment passed as quickly as it came, however, and when the dust settled, the silhouette of a gap-toothed, chicken nuggets-loving, proven loser from Illinois emerged in Manhattan, KS. The moment is gone.

[pissclams]

98% of our fan base is perfectly fine having a consistent bubble team as long as we do things the right way and are going to bowl games. this is a fact.

98% of this board (ksufans) were those people not long ago.

[catzacker]

98% of our fan base is perfectly fine having a consistent bubble team as long as we do things the right way and are going to bowl games. this is a fact.

98% of this board (ksufans) were those people not long ago.

Clams, as contrarian as you’re trying to be, you can’t possibly really believe this.

[Belvis Noland]

98% of our fan base is perfectly fine having a consistent bubble team as long as we do things the right way and are going to bowl games. this is a fact.

Maybe every single one of my friends is an outlier, then, because I don't associate with a single KSUer who is fine being a consistent bubble team.  And I associate with a lot of KSUers.

[pissclams]

98% of our fan base is perfectly fine having a consistent bubble team as long as we do things the right way and are going to bowl games. this is a fact.

98% of this board (ksufans) were those people not long ago.

Clams, as contrarian as you’re trying to be, you can’t possibly really believe this.

i'm not trying to be anything.  that post is almost word for word exactly what we hoped for in the wooly/late snyder years.  you're either lying to yourself if you don't think you felt the same way or you have a very bad memory of the state of our athletic dept.

[Belvis Noland]

I can't decide which is more Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) - being absolutely convinced that oscar Weber will be neckbrace2.0 or seriously wanting doug gottlieb to be our next coach.

Admittedly, I too had a fleeting thought that Gottlieb would be a great hire.  Then I gave it some thought. 

[steve dave]

I can't decide which is more Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) - being absolutely convinced that oscar Weber will be neckbrace2.0 or seriously wanting doug gottlieb to be our next coach.

damnit

[Dr Rick Daris]

98% of our fan base is perfectly fine having a consistent bubble team as long as we do things the right way and are going to bowl games. this is a fact.

Maybe every single one of my friends is an outlier, then, because I don't associate with a single KSUer who is fine being a consistent bubble team.  And I associate with a lot of KSUers.

i believe you when you say that your friends don't think that they'll be fine with it. the problem is that humans as a whole are very, very bad at predicting what will and what won't bring them future happiness, belvis.


the below link gives just one reason why, but there are many more...

http://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/news/releases/people-neglect-who-they-really-are-when-predicting-their-own-future-happiness.html

[Trim]

98% of our fan base is perfectly fine having a consistent bubble team as long as we do things the right way and are going to bowl games. this is a fact.

Maybe every single one of my friends is an outlier, then, because I don't associate with a single KSUer who is fine being a consistent bubble team.  And I associate with a lot of KSUers.

We're outliers.

EDIT: Just read your Gottlieb thing.  You're an outlier among outliers.

[mocat]

I can't decide which is more Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) - being absolutely convinced that oscar Weber will be neckbrace2.0 or seriously wanting doug gottlieb to be our next coach.

Admittedly, I too had a fleeting thought that Gottlieb would be a great hire.  Then I gave it some thought.

well Gottlieb would have been high risk/high reward. Much like our last 2 hires, which turned out fantastic. Hiring Weber is high risk/low reward. Unless you think dwindling in mediocrity is not a risk. In which case hiring Weber is low risk/low reward.