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hey ksu_fan
« on: October 27, 2012, 07:31:16 PM »
when kstate lines up with like 2 or 3 receivers on one side, and tech only lines up with 1 or 2 defenders against those receivers (the defender for the other receiver is like 10 meters down field), why doesn't kstate just say hike and immediately throw it to the undefended receiver?


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Re: hey ksu_fan
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2012, 07:33:02 PM »
meters?

what are you, some kind of nazi?
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Re: hey ksu_fan
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2012, 07:37:11 PM »
Quote from: FP TC etc. on October 27, 2012, 07:33:02 PM
meters?

what are you, some kind of nazi?

yards, whatever.  answer the question if you know the answer, otherwise step aside.
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Re: hey ksu_fan
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2012, 07:54:02 PM »
My take:

When you throw the ball out there wide, the safety has time to close some of that gap.  For the play to be successful, both WRs have to succeed in their blocks and we have to beat the safety (not impossible, KU did it to us their first 2 drives).  My concern is if you're under center and end up throwing it backwards, it could be a fumble thats just lying out there to be scooped.

I just think its high risk-low reward.  Usually you get 4-6 yards maybe.  If you screw it up, its incomplete or a fumble.  If its incomplete, the clock stops.  Running can get you 4-6, low risk, and the clock runs.
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Re: hey ksu_fan
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2012, 08:00:12 PM »
Quote from: ChiCat on October 27, 2012, 07:54:02 PM
My take:

When you throw the ball out there wide, the safety has time to close some of that gap.  For the play to be successful, both WRs have to succeed in their blocks and we have to beat the safety (not impossible, KU did it to us their first 2 drives).  My concern is if you're under center and end up throwing it backwards, it could be a fumble thats just lying out there to be scooped.

I just think its high risk-low reward.  Usually you get 4-6 yards maybe.  If you screw it up, its incomplete or a fumble.  If its incomplete, the clock stops.  Running can get you 4-6, low risk, and the clock runs.

i can see that it might be tricky when it is 3 on 2, but when it is 2 on 1, it seems like the other receiver would just have to get in the defender's way a little bit and the other one would be in the clear.

it seems like it'd be a forward pass unless you did something weird first.
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Re: hey ksu_fan
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2012, 08:02:43 PM »
Quote from: sys on October 27, 2012, 08:00:12 PM
Quote from: ChiCat on October 27, 2012, 07:54:02 PM
My take:

When you throw the ball out there wide, the safety has time to close some of that gap.  For the play to be successful, both WRs have to succeed in their blocks and we have to beat the safety (not impossible, KU did it to us their first 2 drives).  My concern is if you're under center and end up throwing it backwards, it could be a fumble thats just lying out there to be scooped.

I just think its high risk-low reward.  Usually you get 4-6 yards maybe.  If you screw it up, its incomplete or a fumble.  If its incomplete, the clock stops.  Running can get you 4-6, low risk, and the clock runs.

i can see that it might be tricky when it is 3 on 2, but when it is 2 on 1, it seems like the other receiver would just have to get in the defender's way a little bit and the other one would be in the clear.

it seems like it'd be a forward pass unless you did something weird first.

We usually run out of shotgun/pistol so I would imagine it would be safely forward, but you never know.  I think it is more the time off the clock.  I believe the guides Snyder a lot the past two years and he has confidence in the run game getting the same 4-6
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Re: hey ksu_fan
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2012, 09:27:53 PM »
bump.
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hey ksu_fan
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2012, 09:30:15 PM »
Most defenses are sound enough to defend 2 receivers with 2 defenders. Plus, they could disguise the coverage and get a 3rd defender out quickly, etc.
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Re: hey ksu_fan
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2012, 09:31:12 PM »
but they had 1 defender for 2 receivers (with the other 10 yards away).
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hey ksu_fan
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2012, 09:33:53 PM »
Quote from: sys on October 27, 2012, 09:31:12 PM
but they had 1 defender for 2 receivers (with the other 10 yards away).

Most defensive backs can close 10 yards pretty quick. Show me a clip example when the YouTube is posted and I'll break it down.
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Re: hey ksu_fan
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2012, 09:37:09 PM »
there was one in the second half the play before one of the touchdowns.  i think a running back scored the td.  the drive prior there was also a situ. the play before a td (klein run i'm pretty sure).  but that one was 3 receivers and 2 defenders.
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hey ksu_fan
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2012, 09:38:35 PM »
Quote from: sys on October 27, 2012, 09:37:09 PM
there was one in the second half the play before one of the touchdowns.  i think a running back scored the td.  the drive prior there was also a situ. the play before a td (klein run i'm pretty sure).  but that one was 3 receivers and 2 defenders.

I'll look at it. It's a good question.
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Re: hey ksu_fan
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2012, 09:39:56 PM »
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Re: hey ksu_fan
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2012, 09:41:20 PM »
I'm enjoying football sys quite a lot
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Re: hey ksu_fan
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2012, 10:58:53 PM »
Quote from: j-dub on October 27, 2012, 09:41:20 PM
I'm enjoying football sys quite a lot

yes. football sys is great.
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Re: hey ksu_fan
« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2012, 11:00:05 PM »
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Re: hey ksu_fan
« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2012, 11:13:36 PM »
Still want to know what's with "meters"   
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Re: hey ksu_fan
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2012, 01:14:46 AM »
Quote from: TBL on October 27, 2012, 11:13:36 PM
Still want to know what's with "meters".

i mostly think of medium range horizontal distances in metric units.  short range depends on the subject matter, long range in english units.  vertical in english.  dunno why, the mind is a strange thing.
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Re: hey ksu_fan
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2012, 01:18:04 AM »
Quote from: sys on October 28, 2012, 01:14:46 AM
Quote from: TBL on October 27, 2012, 11:13:36 PM
Still want to know what's with "meters".

i mostly think of medium range horizontal distances in metric units.  short range depends on the subject matter, long range in english units.  vertical in english.  dunno why, the mind is a strange thing.

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