This Team Is Better Than The 1998 Team

[AST]

Absolutely zero research behind this, but this team seems much less penalized, much more concise, much more consistent, and much more disciplined.

I'm having a hard time finding stats from 1998, but I'll update this when I find it.

Average # of penalties per game:
1998: 10.2
2012: 3.4

Average penalty yards per game
1998: 80.2
2012: 26.9

Average turnovers per game
1998: 1.6
2012: 0.6

alexander supertramp/spc: absolute studs

[wazucat]

7 games in and everyone knows this team is better, ok 

[wetwillie]

7 games in and everyone knows this team is better, ok 

It took non dumbasses less than that but yea.

[Mcgruder]

This team is much better than '98 team, though that team should have won it all that year. IMO the '03 team is a more fair comparison, that team was stacked from top to bottom, and when healthy ran through everyone, had Ell not broke his hand that year I believe we would of won the title. If any of you fuckers were at the "Bowling for Gumbo" tailgate during the Cal game at Arrowhead in '03 then let it be know that I fully blame you for jinxing us and will only forgive you when we win a MNC. As for this team I believe that this is the most fundamentally sound team I have ever seen play and the best overall "team",  gotta take it one game at time with these guys though. Starts with the sand aggies this week. 

[michigancat]

To me, that speaks to the talent of the '98 team. 0 discipline and still almost made the NC.

This was a 98 type game no doubt. That being said, 98 was full of these type of games. I want to see more games like this before I'm ready to jump on the "this team is better than the 1998 team" bandwagon.

Most of those games in '98 were against pud teams

Yeah, the 98 team had ZERO games like @WVU or @OU. I guess UT was kind of close, but @CU was probably a better comparo. 16-9.

[Frankenklein]

To me, that speaks to the talent of the '98 team. 0 discipline and still almost made the NC.

This was a 98 type game no doubt. That being said, 98 was full of these type of games. I want to see more games like this before I'm ready to jump on the "this team is better than the 1998 team" bandwagon.

Most of those games in '98 were against pud teams

Yeah, the 98 team had ZERO games like @WVU or @OU. I guess UT was kind of close, but @CU was probably a better comparo. 16-9.

This^  and Texas wasn't ranked when we played them and finished the season barely in the top 20

[yosh]

[sys]

This Team Is Better Than The 1998 Team

oh look, the nazi youth rally must have wrapped up, steve dave's finally arrived at the party.

[hemmy]

Remember on ksufans when everyone blamed TP for the 2003 team not winning the NC? Oh my

[Cartierfor3]

Remember on ksufans when everyone blamed TP for the 2003 team not winning the NC? Oh my

I still blame him.  He's there we don't lose to Marshall, all other dominoes fall accordingly.   

[bucket]

This team is not better than the 98 team.

[Cartierfor3]

This team is not better than the 98 team.

Yes it is. 

[Pete]

On Petro's show today, on 810am in KC, they discussed this.  All the games in 98 were blowouts, except for four.  Four games were 10 points or less; against Colorado (ranked 14 when we played them), Nebraska (finished 19), Mizzou (finished 21), and aTm (finished 11).

The other games we won in 1998 were against some terrible teams.  We did what you are supposed to do against terrible teams, we beat their asses.  Badly.

But, this year's team has already won road games against 3 ranked opponents.  One of which was a blow out.


If you would have asked me three weeks ago, I would have told you it was rough ridin' blasphemy to compare ANY K-State team to 1998.  I am open to this idea now.  If we win out, they ARE better.  There really isn't a debate.

[bucket]

This team is not better than the 98 team.

Yes it is.

Bish>Klein. Bish and Snyder offense>Klein and Snyder offense. 98 D>12 D. Not saying we have less of a chance at a ship just saying 98>12

[Pete]

Half the Big 12 won less than 8 games in 1998, and we played 4 non con games.

 
Kansas 4–7   
Iowa State    3–8       
Texas Tech    7–5   
Oklahoma State   5–6   
Oklahoma 5–6   
Baylor 2–9   

[hemmy]

We played 3 non-cons, all against pud. That said, they still blew it at the end, so if this team is better than a team that should have made the NC game then that is good...

[bucket]

We played 3 non-cons, all against pud. That said, they still blew it at the end, so if this team is better than a team that should have made the NC game then that is good...

 

[hemmy]

Who do you guys blame for '98 being so careless/sloppy? Me? I blame Mangino.

[Mixed-Nutz]

This team is not better than the 98 team.

Yes it is.

Bish>Klein. Bish and Snyder offense>Klein and Snyder offense. 98 D>12 D. Not saying we have less of a chance at a ship just saying 98>12

I don't think 98 offense is better than 12, I have never seen a offense that can score at what ever pace it wants. Bill can have the offense slowly move the ball down the field and score in 9 mins or dial up a mean 2 min drive. It is truly insane and we haven't got deep into the playbook, all the gadget plays are sitting in the playbook waiting for a rainy day.

[michigancat]

The offense is better now because the risk is so much lower. The passing game goes down field less, but stays effective.

We basically never run the traditional option and therefore greatly reduce risky pitches.

Someone should compare ypp or something.

[bucket]

The 1998 offense was first in the nation with 46.9 ppg the d was 9th in the nation with 15.2 papg

check and mate

[Mixed-Nutz]

Also Bill offense is better now with todays defenses, nobody is use to stacking the box and man coverage. It really isn't fair.

[hemmy]

The offense is better now because the risk is so much lower. The passing game goes down field less, but stays effective.

We basically never run the traditional option and therefore greatly reduce risky pitches.

Someone should compare ypp or something.

From _FAN's stats:

1998 - 6.47 YPP, 0.65 PPP
2012 - 6.94 YPP, 0.68 PPP

That said, '98's would be quite a bit higher through the first 7 games I bet.

[michigancat]

The 1998 offense was first in the nation with 46.9 ppg the d was 9th in the nation with 15.2 papg

check and mate

SOS

[Mixed-Nutz]

The 1998 offense was first in the nation with 46.9 ppg the d was 9th in the nation with 15.2 papg

check and mate

I think a strong argument exist for "98 at its best" is better than "12 at its best" but "12 at it worst" is better than "98 at it worst."  Maybe the team that wouldn't shoot itself in the foot is better to have.