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Lots of data to look at
« on: October 15, 2012, 10:52:50 PM »

Game-by-game stats of offensive efficiency and defensive efficiency.  Also included are the opponent's offensive efficiency and defensive efficiency to help you weight the game-by-game stats against.

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Re: Lots of data to look at
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2012, 11:03:30 PM »


Sorry chings I can see your data.

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Re: Lots of data to look at
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2012, 11:05:49 PM »


Sorry chings I can see your data.
yeah, some kinks to work out I think.  You will need to download and install something called the CDF Player though (its free, but if you don't wann dowload and install it I understand).

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Re: Lots of data to look at
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2012, 11:13:08 PM »
Yo Chingon, I had to save/open in Mathematica to see this, but it's really fantastic work. Great stuff  :katpak:

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Re: Lots of data to look at
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2012, 11:30:52 PM »
JEAN CLAUDE WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR FACE

Seriously though, 166MB plugin?  Woof!

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Re: Lots of data to look at
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2012, 11:49:37 PM »
I downloaded the plug-in but I still can't see any data.  :bawl:

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Re: Lots of data to look at
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2012, 12:20:50 AM »
Someone who downloaded the plugin should just copy paste all of the info and then download it locally to our server. TIA

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Re: Lots of data to look at
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2012, 12:47:58 AM »
Okay, tried to download. Like Chico I'm not getting anything.


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Re: Lots of data to look at
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2012, 05:54:07 AM »
seems "virus-y". I'm out.
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Re: Lots of data to look at
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2012, 07:09:58 AM »
same issues as others above.
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Re: Lots of data to look at
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2012, 07:50:56 AM »
I think I fixed the problem....

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Re: Lots of data to look at
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2012, 08:11:39 AM »
very cool. wish i understood it more. but that's my problem.
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Re: Lots of data to look at
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2012, 09:20:55 AM »
Pretty cool stuff. What did you use to create it?  Mathmatica?
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Re: Lots of data to look at
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2012, 11:01:29 AM »


for those of you lgcpiiq folk

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Re: Lots of data to look at
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2012, 11:04:24 AM »
how do we get above one for offensive efficiency? defense doing work or what?

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Re: Lots of data to look at
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2012, 11:49:31 AM »
PPP seems like a so so determinant for offensive efficiency.

Essentially, it rewards big plays and not turning the ball over - which is all good. Buuut, it does not factor in time of possession (which we clearly just try to run clock sometimes), starting field position (starting further from the end zone means a worse PPP?), whether we are in front on the scoreboard (obvs running the ball and taking more plays)...and other confounding variables that would seem to greatly influence PPP

I think it provides a decent order of magnitude type of comparison...but thats it.


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Re: Lots of data to look at
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2012, 11:50:48 AM »
PPP seems like a so so determinant for offensive efficiency.

Essentially, it rewards big plays and not turning the ball over - which is all good. Buuut, it does not factor in time of possession (which we clearly just try to run clock sometimes), starting field position (starting further from the end zone means a worse PPP?), whether we are in front on the scoreboard (obvs running the ball and taking more plays)...and other confounding variables that would seem to greatly influence PPP

I think it provides a decent order of magnitude type of comparison...but thats it.

if you look at

Rush YPP
Pass YPP
Total YPP
PPP
TO %

i feel like you have a pretty good idea of an offense (and defense)

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Re: Lots of data to look at
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2012, 11:56:19 AM »
PPP seems like a so so determinant for offensive efficiency.

Essentially, it rewards big plays and not turning the ball over - which is all good. Buuut, it does not factor in time of possession (which we clearly just try to run clock sometimes), starting field position (starting further from the end zone means a worse PPP?), whether we are in front on the scoreboard (obvs running the ball and taking more plays)...and other confounding variables that would seem to greatly influence PPP

I think it provides a decent order of magnitude type of comparison...but thats it.

if you look at

Rush YPP
Pass YPP
Total YPP
PPP
TO %

i feel like you have a pretty good idea of an offense (and defense)

Agreed. Is TO% calculated as a percent of total plays or possessions?

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Re: Lots of data to look at
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2012, 11:59:54 AM »
hmm it doesn't seem to be working for me on my ibm do I need to use my original re-boot disc?

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Re: Lots of data to look at
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2012, 12:07:07 PM »
PPP seems like a so so determinant for offensive efficiency.

Essentially, it rewards big plays and not turning the ball over - which is all good. Buuut, it does not factor in time of possession (which we clearly just try to run clock sometimes), starting field position (starting further from the end zone means a worse PPP?), whether we are in front on the scoreboard (obvs running the ball and taking more plays)...and other confounding variables that would seem to greatly influence PPP

I think it provides a decent order of magnitude type of comparison...but thats it.

if you look at

Rush YPP
Pass YPP
Total YPP
PPP
TO %

i feel like you have a pretty good idea of an offense (and defense)

Agreed. Is TO% calculated as a percent of total plays or possessions?

in the mocat system (or soon to be renamed SNOWBRAHA) it is TO per play, which is obviously a very small number, but just like the other 4 factors, is divided by the average to get a value that is either higher or lower than 1.0

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Re: Lots of data to look at
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2012, 12:09:47 PM »
Still wish there was data available on points per possession both offensively and defensively.
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Re: Lots of data to look at
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2012, 01:07:35 PM »
Still wish there was data available on points per possession both offensively and defensively.

Yeah, I like it better. (in theory)

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Re: Lots of data to look at
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2012, 02:04:10 PM »
well be my guest. have fun compiling that much data. it's much harder to find out how many possessions a team has than simply adding passing attempts + rushing attempts

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Re: Lots of data to look at
« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2012, 02:08:23 PM »
do we get nerd points if we already had the plugin installed....  :peek:
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Re: Lots of data to look at
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2012, 02:10:18 PM »
well be my guest. have fun compiling that much data. it's much harder to find out how many possessions a team has than simply adding passing attempts + rushing attempts

I know... it would be nice if the stat services had it available though.  Not like it would be hard or unheard of, they do it for basketball.
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