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Re: Nino and Doc - Didn't have what it took
« Reply #125 on: October 16, 2012, 05:32:59 PM »
this is either going to be a great or horrible bbs'ing bball season.

i don't understand that take at all.  imagine the myriad of topics we'll have to talk about including but not limited to, how bad our offense is, how unathletic our guys look, coaching search master thread, after all of this and we still rolled texas, what's wrong with angel?, what's wrong with JO?, what's wrong with McOrebs?, CHET!, how did ISU beat us again? etc, etc.

Yep and threads just like this have existed the previous 5 years, the difference this year is that instead of discussing the actual topic at hand, like how soft doc is, there will be about 4 people consistently deflecting.  These people have trauma because the last guy left and instead of looking back at what we had with joy & at the same time be happy for the guy who left and gave himself a fresh start, they're still dealing with being left.  This manifests itself by telling others that they are not over it when in fact it is these four posters that are waiting for that guy to walk back into the door and hug them and tell them it isn't their fault.  It's easier for these four or so to project anger to deal with their hurt.  These four or so posters need to see a shrink or find a better way to deal with being the children of divorce so the rest of us can move on too.

Why not just name the 4 posters, dork.

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Re: Nino and Doc - Didn't have what it took
« Reply #126 on: October 16, 2012, 06:34:45 PM »
i would like to add that this thread has everything to do with frank

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Re: Nino and Doc - Didn't have what it took
« Reply #127 on: October 16, 2012, 07:02:21 PM »
this is either going to be a great or horrible bbs'ing bball season.

i don't understand that take at all.  imagine the myriad of topics we'll have to talk about including but not limited to, how bad our offense is, how unathletic our guys look, coaching search master thread, after all of this and we still rolled texas, what's wrong with angel?, what's wrong with JO?, what's wrong with McOrebs?, CHET!, how did ISU beat us again? etc, etc.

Yep and threads just like this have existed the previous 5 years, the difference this year is that instead of discussing the actual topic at hand, like how soft doc is, there will be about 4 people consistently deflecting.  These people have trauma because the last guy left and instead of looking back at what we had with joy & at the same time be happy for the guy who left and gave himself a fresh start, they're still dealing with being left.  This manifests itself by telling others that they are not over it when in fact it is these four posters that are waiting for that guy to walk back into the door and hug them and tell them it isn't their fault.  It's easier for these four or so to project anger to deal with their hurt.  These four or so posters need to see a shrink or find a better way to deal with being the children of divorce so the rest of us can move on too.

everyone agrees that this year is going to be an excellent BBS season:  check


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Re: Nino and Doc - Didn't have what it took
« Reply #128 on: October 16, 2012, 08:07:59 PM »
He talks like he's some sort of guru on coaches and has some sort of elevated state to criticize from, when the fanbase when he comes from actually has a worse AD than KSU, both historically and currently.

I wouldn't call that a source of sage advice.

i understand why underdog's butt hurts, but i don't understand why he thinks mr. bread is the one that raped him.
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Re: Re: Re: Nino and Doc - Didn't have what it took
« Reply #129 on: October 16, 2012, 08:13:10 PM »
Most of the other options would have been even bigger pieces of crap . . . and this thread is all about Frank Martin.

i agree with dax.  once the person employed as kstate's ad decided to chase away martin, the chances of hiring a coach of similar or higher quality were almost nil.
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Re: Nino and Doc - Didn't have what it took
« Reply #130 on: October 16, 2012, 08:21:43 PM »
He talks like he's some sort of guru on coaches and has some sort of elevated state to criticize from, when the fanbase when he comes from actually has a worse AD than KSU, both historically and currently.

I wouldn't call that a source of sage advice.
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i understand why underdog's butt hurts, but i don't understand why he thinks mr. bread is the one that raped him.

No buuthurt for this dude.

When people are talkin crap, might as well join in the fun.

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Re: Nino and Doc - Didn't have what it took
« Reply #131 on: October 16, 2012, 08:24:58 PM »
No buuthurt for this dude.

he's not judging you, underdog.  he's just trying to get you cleaned up and those bruises looked at.
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Re: Nino and Doc - Didn't have what it took
« Reply #132 on: October 16, 2012, 08:42:40 PM »
No buuthurt for this dude.

he's not judging you, underdog.  he's just trying to get you cleaned up and those bruises looked at.
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Thank for clearing my conscience there sys, I was really worried about final message board judgment there, but now all my troubles have gone away.

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Re: Nino and Doc - Didn't have what it took
« Reply #133 on: October 16, 2012, 09:35:21 PM »
i would like to add that this thread has everything to do with frank

Weird, I thought there were lots of posts and threads about how soft Will Spradling was/is when Frank was here, I personally have dozens myself.  Oh well I must have just dreamed that, I guess will personified mentally tough and we all loved him for it.  We totally changed our opinion of him the week of the final four.

Great call as always kim carnes.  When I need someone to summarize the pulse of the board I can always count on you :thumbs:

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Re: Nino and Doc - Didn't have what it took
« Reply #134 on: October 16, 2012, 09:35:53 PM »
Sys . . . still the piss boy for a coach who never intended to stay at K-State.


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Re: Nino and Doc - Didn't have what it took
« Reply #135 on: October 16, 2012, 09:39:10 PM »
Sys . . . still the piss boy for a coach who never intended to stay at K-State.

good job not letting anyone agree with you, dax.
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Re: Nino and Doc - Didn't have what it took
« Reply #136 on: October 16, 2012, 09:49:17 PM »
Sys . . . still the piss boy for a coach who never intended to stay at K-State.

good job not letting anyone agree with you, dax.

That wasn't the part of your dumbass post I was talking about Frank's piss boy.


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Re: Nino and Doc - Didn't have what it took
« Reply #137 on: October 16, 2012, 09:51:23 PM »
this is either going to be a great or horrible bbs'ing bball season.

i don't understand that take at all.  imagine the myriad of topics we'll have to talk about including but not limited to, how bad our offense is, how unathletic our guys look, coaching search master thread, after all of this and we still rolled texas, what's wrong with angel?, what's wrong with JO?, what's wrong with McOrebs?, CHET!, how did ISU beat us again? etc, etc.

Yep and threads just like this have existed the previous 5 years, the difference this year is that instead of discussing the actual topic at hand, like how soft doc is, there will be about 4 people consistently deflecting.  These people have trauma because the last guy left and instead of looking back at what we had with joy & at the same time be happy for the guy who left and gave himself a fresh start, they're still dealing with being left.  This manifests itself by telling others that they are not over it when in fact it is these four posters that are waiting for that guy to walk back into the door and hug them and tell them it isn't their fault.  It's easier for these four or so to project anger to deal with their hurt.  These four or so posters need to see a shrink or find a better way to deal with being the children of divorce so the rest of us can move on too.

Why not just name the 4 posters, dork.

Not 100% of the four, I can give you two solid ones; SD, 42 and anyone else on team hate them both who was on Team Frank on March 23rd.

Still not sure if 'clams is just stirring the pot.  Dax hates everyone and everything so he doesn't count.  UW is just very boisterous about giving chicken nuggets a chance, not so much Frank hating.  He is what sys would call a nazi.

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Re: Nino and Doc - Didn't have what it took
« Reply #138 on: October 16, 2012, 09:56:27 PM »
Sys . . . still the piss boy for a coach who never intended to stay at K-State.

Who the eff cares if he never intended to stay here?  That's a tuck talking point & you're better than that.  We love Frank for what he did while he was here, you never gave yourself a chance to ride the wave, bitched for five years, so you don't get it.

We also wanted Gottlieb even though we know he would leave us for OSU in a second.

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Re: Nino and Doc - Didn't have what it took
« Reply #139 on: October 16, 2012, 09:57:47 PM »
I call myself a K-State fan through thick and through thin and that's something I will never apologize for.

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Re: Nino and Doc - Didn't have what it took
« Reply #140 on: October 16, 2012, 10:00:24 PM »
I guess I don't get why people are reacting so negatively to this article.

As far as coaching philosophy goes, yeah, players were more afraid to make mistakes when Frank was on the sidelines. Is it better to not be afraid to make mistakes and play more confidently (as it seems is the case under Weber)? Debatable.  You want your players playing confident, but you don't want them taking every ill-advised shot they get.  I didn't like the way Martin handled every situation, but I will say that he was pretty consistent in his philosophy.

I guess I'm of the opinion that if you coach players well and play to your strengths, less mistakes will be made.  Perhaps Weber is "teaching" better than Frank was, which can help minimize mistakes.  Not sure I'm convinced that the motion offense is all that great. Seems more mistake prone actually. But the motion offense is also pretty worthless if you're not confident and are too afraid to "mess up" the offense. You have to have confidence to make "basketball plays" as my old coach would call them, do something that isn't written in the offense, have the sense of mind to cut to the basket if your defender is somewhere in la-la land. Perhaps that explains somewhat oscar's difference in coaching philosophy.

Or perhaps I'm giving him too much credit.

Or perhaps I just have no clue what the eff I'm talking about.
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Re: Nino and Doc - Didn't have what it took
« Reply #141 on: October 16, 2012, 10:01:20 PM »
I don't hate anyone, I dislike posts from people who stand firm through the 2nd shake for a coach who had no intention of staying at K-State.
All we need is the final shot of Frank, like his predecessor walking in deep furrowed brow head down against the cold Kansas wind thought . . . towards the airplane. 

(Bites knuckles) "Gosh, it's just gotta be tearing him up inside" (Wipes tears).

Bull$hit MIR . . . I only bitched about things worth bitching about.   $hitty play at times, and even $hittier recruiting at times . . . one of the main reasons why Frank bailed.



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Re: Nino and Doc - Didn't have what it took
« Reply #142 on: October 16, 2012, 10:11:52 PM »
Hating on Frank is loads of fun.  I suggest it for everyone.  What the eff are we supposed to do?  Pay homage to some rough ridin' rich, bad person coach because he won games?  Well, eff that loser crap.  eff you and your stupid rough ridin' LHC Bill Snyder Highway bullshit.

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Re: Nino and Doc - Didn't have what it took
« Reply #143 on: October 16, 2012, 10:13:35 PM »
I call myself a K-State fan through thick and through thin and that's something I will never apologize for.

nor should you, nor should #teamburnitdown

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Re: Nino and Doc - Didn't have what it took
« Reply #144 on: October 16, 2012, 10:17:02 PM »
I don't hate anyone, I dislike posts from people who stand firm through the 2nd shake for a coach who had no intention of staying at K-State.
All we need is the final shot of Frank, like his predecessor walking in deep furrowed brow head down against the cold Kansas wind thought . . . towards the airplane. 

(Bites knuckles) "Gosh, it's just gotta be tearing him up inside" (Wipes tears).

Bull$hit MIR . . . I only bitched about things worth bitching about.   $hitty play at times, and even $hittier recruiting at times . . . one of the main reasons why Frank bailed.

So you only post when you're bitching, not my fault for thinking you hate everything.  It's the image you've carefully crafted, don't runaway from it now.

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Re: Nino and Doc - Didn't have what it took
« Reply #145 on: October 16, 2012, 10:18:38 PM »
If you like oscar Weber as k-state's head coach, then you to not care for Kansas state basketball.


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Re: Nino and Doc - Didn't have what it took
« Reply #146 on: October 16, 2012, 10:20:07 PM »
Hating on Frank is loads of fun.

it doesn't look like fun.  mir is stating the rational position eloquently.  i don't know if martin is the best coach in kstate history or not, but i know he was the best kstate coach in my lifetime.  i'm very happy that he spent five years at kstate.  i wish he could have been there longer.

weird of me, not to hate something that brought me happiness, i know.
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Re: Nino and Doc - Didn't have what it took
« Reply #147 on: October 16, 2012, 10:23:58 PM »
Hating on Frank is loads of fun.

it doesn't look like fun.  mir is stating the rational position eloquently.  i don't know if martin is the best coach in kstate history or not, but i know he was the best kstate coach in my lifetime.  i'm very happy that he spent five years at kstate.  i wish he could have been there longer.

weird of me, not to hate something that brought me happiness, i know.

it is great, frank is a giant loser who is easy to dislike.  he hated k-state and yet for some reason a bunch of people on goEMAW worship him.

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Re: Nino and Doc - Didn't have what it took
« Reply #148 on: October 16, 2012, 10:25:08 PM »
If you like oscar Weber as k-state's head coach, then you to not care for Kansas state basketball.

Coaches to replace oscar in 2-3 years when he is fired:

1. Mike Krzyzewski
2. Jim Boeheim
3. oscar Pearl
4. Bob Chipman
5. LHC Bill Snyder
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Nino and Doc - Didn't have what it took
« Reply #149 on: October 16, 2012, 10:27:39 PM »
Is there any rules against hating oscar 2012 AND Frank 2012?  If not, that's what I will do.