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Offline Kat Kid

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The case against Obama
« on: September 27, 2012, 07:53:41 PM »
Compelling.  Ultimately, I think when Conor declares:

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I am not a purist. There is no such thing as a perfect political party, or a president who governs in accordance with one's every ethical judgment. But some actions are so ruinous to human rights, so destructive of the Constitution, and so contrary to basic morals that they are disqualifying.

He loses me because he fails to conceive of the logical alternatives in play.  The calculus cannot be so bold as to declare candidates ineligible for one's vote based on strongly held moral absolutes, and then be so blase about the subsequent prescription of a concerned citizen.  Overall though, it is a compelling list of foreign policy grievances.  None of which we will hear about from anyone besides dax, who only brings them up when a democrat is in office.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/why-i-refuse-to-vote-for-barack-obama/262861/

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I find Obama likable when I see him on TV. He is a caring husband and father, a thoughtful speaker, and possessed of an inspirational biography. On stage, as he smiles into the camera, using words to evoke some of the best sentiments within us, it's hard to believe certain facts about him:   
 
1)Obama terrorizes innocent Pakistanis on an almost daily basis. The drone war he is waging in North Waziristan isn't "precise" or "surgical" as he would have Americans believe. It kills hundreds of innocents, including children. And for thousands of more innocents who live in the targeted communities, the drone war makes their lives into a nightmare worthy of dystopian novels. People are always afraid. Women cower in their homes. Children are kept out of school. The stress they endure gives them psychiatric disorders. Men are driven crazy by an inability to sleep as drones buzz overhead 24 hours a day, a deadly strike possible at any moment. At worst, this policy creates more terrorists than it kills; at best, America is ruining the lives of thousands of innocent people and killing hundreds of innocents for a small increase in safety from terrorists. It is a cowardly, immoral, and illegal policy, deliberately cloaked in opportunistic secrecy. And Democrats who believe that it is the most moral of all responsible policy alternatives are as misinformed and blinded by partisanship as any conservative ideologue.

2)Obama established one of the most reckless precedents imaginable: that any president can secretly order and oversee the extrajudicial killing of American citizens. Obama's kill list transgresses against the Constitution as egregiously as anything George W. Bush ever did. It is as radical an invocation of executive power as anything Dick Cheney championed. The fact that the Democrats rebelled against those men before enthusiastically supporting Obama is hackery every bit as blatant and shameful as anything any talk radio host has done. 

3)Contrary to his own previously stated understanding of what the Constitution and the War Powers Resolution demand, President Obama committed U.S. forces to war in Libya without Congressional approval, despite the lack of anything like an imminent threat to national security.


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Re: The case against Obama
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2012, 07:59:46 PM »
I thought drones were virtually silent, at least to people on the ground inside their houses.

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Re: The case against Obama
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2012, 08:10:26 PM »
I thought drones were virtually silent, at least to people on the ground inside their houses.

apparently not.

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Re: The case against Obama
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2012, 08:10:57 PM »
Well I'll be. KK can post articles!

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Re: The case against Obama
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2012, 08:12:10 PM »
I thought drones were virtually silent, at least to people on the ground inside their houses.

apparently not.

Drones bombing crap has to be pretty freaky though, silent or not.

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Re: The case against Obama
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Re: The case against Obama
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2012, 10:36:59 PM »
no wonder our embassies get bombed  :sdeek:

Bush made enough enemies over there, now Obama gave an entire nation PTSD.

And of course Clinton and Bush Sr have blood on their hands....and Reagan from Iran-Contra and my god it doesnt end!

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Re: The case against Obama
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2012, 11:41:14 AM »
The drone war is unbelievably mumped up. Just disgusting.
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Re: The case against Obama
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2012, 04:53:41 PM »
And 90% of the posters on here will vote ReBLOODlican or demoCRIP.  :facepalm:



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