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Quote from: Skipper44 on September 25, 2012, 11:35:34 AMScoring points was not the biggest issue for 04 and 05; I remember a quote from Gary Barnett once where he marveled at OB's ability to completely change from option oriented offense with Webb to the Air Dyls offense in the middle of a game. Yes. Look at the numbers and you have to say that defense, lack of talent, was what primarily killed us, we were still scoring enough to win in 04-05.
Scoring points was not the biggest issue for 04 and 05; I remember a quote from Gary Barnett once where he marveled at OB's ability to completely change from option oriented offense with Webb to the Air Dyls offense in the middle of a game.
Take it FWIW, but Snyder attributes a lack of talent to the drop off in '04-'06. Said that following the '03 Championship they finally felt that they could get in the door with 4*-5* talent. Well, they were getting in the door, but coming up as the 2nd or 3rd option for most of these guys. All the while, they stopped doing those things on the recruiting trail that had worked in the past, i.e. scouting out sleepers, jucos, mid-high 3* guys, transfers, etc.
Quote from: Belvis Noland on September 25, 2012, 11:48:50 AMTake it FWIW, but Snyder attributes a lack of talent to the drop off in '04-'06. Said that following the '03 Championship they finally felt that they could get in the door with 4*-5* talent. Well, they were getting in the door, but coming up as the 2nd or 3rd option for most of these guys. All the while, they stopped doing those things on the recruiting trail that had worked in the past, i.e. scouting out sleepers, jucos, mid-high 3* guys, transfers, etc. This is what I remember reading as well at one point or another.
OT but I saw a USF poster on another forum that said "eff k state for giving us Cosh and this poverty ass defense".
Was "family" pushed as hard back in the late 90's? Or has it been since his name was put on the stadium? Seems like that's what most recruits talk about now after visits.
Quote from: WillieWatanabe on September 25, 2012, 08:58:04 PMWas "family" pushed as hard back in the late 90's? Or has it been since his name was put on the stadium? Seems like that's what most recruits talk about now after visits.Family wasn't pushed at all. And another thing that has come out of nowhere, are the 16 goals of success. I remember seeing them on a bulletin board and talked about a few times. But nothing to the extent or in the open that it is now. I wholeheartedly believe that is all Klein's doing. I really believe that Klein has adopted Snyder's 16 goals, took it to heart and has spread the message to the other teammates.
Quote from: Lefty on September 25, 2012, 10:34:23 PMQuote from: WillieWatanabe on September 25, 2012, 08:58:04 PMWas "family" pushed as hard back in the late 90's? Or has it been since his name was put on the stadium? Seems like that's what most recruits talk about now after visits.Family wasn't pushed at all. And another thing that has come out of nowhere, are the 16 goals of success. I remember seeing them on a bulletin board and talked about a few times. But nothing to the extent or in the open that it is now. I wholeheartedly believe that is all Klein's doing. I really believe that Klein has adopted Snyder's 16 goals, took it to heart and has spread the message to the other teammates.Did you just compare Synder to God and CK to Jesus? I hope you did.
And another thing that has come out of nowhere, are the 16 goals of success. I remember seeing them on a bulletin board and talked about a few times. But nothing to the extent or in the open that it is now. I wholeheartedly believe that is all Klein's doing. I really believe that Klein has adopted Snyder's 16 goals, took it to heart and has spread the message to the other teammates.
When Bill went in the shitter his first go around we all thought it was because he lost all his more talented assistant coaches. Bill, Mike, Brent, Mark, Jim, etc. were all gone. He never repaced them with anyone worth a damn. Fast forward to today, we have Dimel back running the offense, he was at Wyoming and Houston about the time it fell apart. He had just come back but only as a GA. We have Hayes running the D. We have Dickey coaching the crap out of the OLine. We do have Smitty and a bunch of the oldest of the old balls back. But, do we have legitimate high level assistant coaches in the higher level positions again?
Two words...Bobby Elliot.
Quote from: steve dave on September 25, 2012, 10:03:35 AMWhen Bill went in the shitter his first go around we all thought it was because he lost all his more talented assistant coaches. Bill, Mike, Brent, Mark, Jim, etc. were all gone. He never repaced them with anyone worth a damn. Fast forward to today, we have Dimel back running the offense, he was at Wyoming and Houston about the time it fell apart. He had just come back but only as a GA. We have Hayes running the D. We have Dickey coaching the crap out of the OLine. We do have Smitty and a bunch of the oldest of the old balls back. But, do we have legitimate high level assistant coaches in the higher level positions again?It seemed like ALL the coaches, minus Bill, got complacent. Michael Smith went full townie, and he was the only real recruiter we had on that staff. After realizing that having a coaching gig at a top 25 school was not a guarantee, I think the retreads have found a renewed vigor this time around. Also, we have filled the other positions with consummate professionals. I don't think we have any superstars on this staff (Michael Smith?), but they all know their role. I still don't want to hire our next HC from within.
Quote from: ksudeuce on September 26, 2012, 06:36:13 AMQuote from: steve dave on September 25, 2012, 10:03:35 AMWhen Bill went in the shitter his first go around we all thought it was because he lost all his more talented assistant coaches. Bill, Mike, Brent, Mark, Jim, etc. were all gone. He never repaced them with anyone worth a damn. Fast forward to today, we have Dimel back running the offense, he was at Wyoming and Houston about the time it fell apart. He had just come back but only as a GA. We have Hayes running the D. We have Dickey coaching the crap out of the OLine. We do have Smitty and a bunch of the oldest of the old balls back. But, do we have legitimate high level assistant coaches in the higher level positions again?It seemed like ALL the coaches, minus Bill, got complacent. Michael Smith went full townie, and he was the only real recruiter we had on that staff. After realizing that having a coaching gig at a top 25 school was not a guarantee, I think the retreads have found a renewed vigor this time around. Also, we have filled the other positions with consummate professionals. I don't think we have any superstars on this staff (Michael Smith?), but they all know their role. I still don't want to hire our next HC from within.Trust me, you won't.
We need one of the assistants to get another #1 recruit 5* linebacker for next season. Seems to help out a lot.
Quote from: Lefty on September 25, 2012, 10:34:23 PMQuote from: WillieWatanabe on September 25, 2012, 08:58:04 PMWas "family" pushed as hard back in the late 90's? Or has it been since his name was put on the stadium? Seems like that's what most recruits talk about now after visits.Family wasn't pushed at all. And another thing that has come out of nowhere, are the 16 goals of success. I remember seeing them on a bulletin board and talked about a few times. But nothing to the extent or in the open that it is now. I wholeheartedly believe that is all Klein's doing. I really believe that Klein has adopted Snyder's 16 goals, took it to heart and has spread the message to the other teammates.I thought I remembered reading about the 16 goals and how they were a big part of the program in his autobiography with Jannsen, but could be wrong.
