General NFL thread: 2019 Tom Brady's Legacy

[bucket]

https://twitter.com/AroundTheNFL/status/1485822987806732288

I think he's done.

[Trim]

I'm really getting the feeling Brady might retire.  Some of his quotes are really hitting like he might be done for his family. 

 

It's the appropriate thing to say about his family right now.

[ChiComCat]

I think he would play if TB could bring back the same roster they had the last 2 years.  They have some names headed to free agency, particularly Godwin, who will get a bigger deal elsewhere (or get franchised).  If Brady doesn't think the roster is going to be top 5 in the league, I think he retires. 

[WildcatNkilt]

i find that almost impossible to believe. he led the entire league in passing completions, yards, and TDs this year. he was only sacked 22 times. his 3% sack rate was the lowest in the league by a good margin. it's not like he's getting Burrow'd out there

Maybe that is a good reason to hang it up?  He doesn't get to see his oldest as much as he wants since he lives with his mom.  Also sounds like Gisele wants him to be done. 

Sounds like he would prefer going out on his own terms vs sucking really bad and being forced to retire. 

[Institutional Control]

Sean Payton retiring.

[WildcatNkilt]

I see it being temporary.  He wants to find a team with a QB.

[WildcatNkilt]

I take that back he still had 3 years remaining on his contract.

[Institutional Control]

He could likely still go somewhere else his new team would have to give up some draft picks for him though.

[ChiComCat]

They've said he has big TV offers whenever he wants them.  I think he does TV for a minute until a coaching offer too good to refuse comes up.

[mocat]

mccarthy will get one more year in dallas and then he can swoop in and fix Dak

[yoga-like_abana]

I think Tom just wants more time to be able to give his son long wet kisses.

[MakeItRain]

They've said he has big TV offers whenever he wants them.  I think he does TV for a minute until a coaching offer too good to refuse comes up.

Apparently Amazon is going to throw a ton of money at him. There are also rumors that Fox might try to get him to replace Aikman.

[wetwillie]

They've said he has big TV offers whenever he wants them.  I think he does TV for a minute until a coaching offer too good to refuse comes up.

Apparently Amazon is going to throw a ton of money at him. There are also rumors that Fox might try to get him to replace Aikman.

Is Amazon making a play for NFL broadcasting?  I knew they had some rights to Thursday night games at one time.

[MakeItRain]

They've said he has big TV offers whenever he wants them.  I think he does TV for a minute until a coaching offer too good to refuse comes up.

Apparently Amazon is going to throw a ton of money at him. There are also rumors that Fox might try to get him to replace Aikman.

Is Amazon making a play for NFL broadcasting?  I knew they had some rights to Thursday night games at one time.

They're getting the Thursday package back,  exclusively this time, 11 years $1 billion.

[mocat]

https://twitter.com/AYO_Adrien/status/1486733897752715273

[MakeItRain]

 

[Pete]

Have we ever had a "hall of fame coach" who didn't also have a "hall of fame" quarterback?  Seems like we have more than a few cases of quarterbacks who didn't have a singularly great coach.  I'm not really willing to agree that Sean Payton is an offensive genius without seeing him work without a HOF QB.

[mocat]

Joe Gibbs won 3 super bowls with 3 different qb's (Joe Theismann, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien). In the Doug Williams year, some dude named Jay Schroeder started 11 games. god tier

[ChiComCat]

Have we ever had a "hall of fame coach" who didn't also have a "hall of fame" quarterback?  Seems like we have more than a few cases of quarterbacks who didn't have a singularly great coach.  I'm not really willing to agree that Sean Payton is an offensive genius without seeing him work without a HOF QB.

Brees wasn't thought of as anything near a HOF QB until he worked with Payton.

I know I'm biased, but Andy Reid is the best QB coach that I've ever seen.  You could argue McNabb and Mahomes are good enough to make anybody look good, but Foles, Vick, and Smith were coached to elite-level play.

[MakeItRain]

Have we ever had a "hall of fame coach" who didn't also have a "hall of fame" quarterback?  Seems like we have more than a few cases of quarterbacks who didn't have a singularly great coach.  I'm not really willing to agree that Sean Payton is an offensive genius without seeing him work without a HOF QB.

Brees wasn't thought of as anything near a HOF QB until he worked with Payton.

I know I'm biased, but Andy Reid is the best QB coach that I've ever seen.  You could argue McNabb and Mahomes are good enough to make anybody look good, but Foles, Vick, and Smith were coached to elite-level play.

Vick doesn't belong in the group you have him in, he had three pro bowls before he was with the Eagles.

[ChiComCat]

Have we ever had a "hall of fame coach" who didn't also have a "hall of fame" quarterback?  Seems like we have more than a few cases of quarterbacks who didn't have a singularly great coach.  I'm not really willing to agree that Sean Payton is an offensive genius without seeing him work without a HOF QB.

Brees wasn't thought of as anything near a HOF QB until he worked with Payton.

I know I'm biased, but Andy Reid is the best QB coach that I've ever seen.  You could argue McNabb and Mahomes are good enough to make anybody look good, but Foles, Vick, and Smith were coached to elite-level play.

Vick doesn't belong in the group you have him in, he had three pro bowls before he was with the Eagles.

That's fair, but I still think Andy deserves credit for getting the best numbers of his career out of him.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Have we ever had a "hall of fame coach" who didn't also have a "hall of fame" quarterback?  Seems like we have more than a few cases of quarterbacks who didn't have a singularly great coach.  I'm not really willing to agree that Sean Payton is an offensive genius without seeing him work without a HOF QB.

Brees wasn't thought of as anything near a HOF QB until he worked with Payton.

I know I'm biased, but Andy Reid is the best QB coach that I've ever seen.  You could argue McNabb and Mahomes are good enough to make anybody look good, but Foles, Vick, and Smith were coached to elite-level play.

I don't think Smith was coached to elite-level play.

[ChiComCat]

Have we ever had a "hall of fame coach" who didn't also have a "hall of fame" quarterback?  Seems like we have more than a few cases of quarterbacks who didn't have a singularly great coach.  I'm not really willing to agree that Sean Payton is an offensive genius without seeing him work without a HOF QB.

Brees wasn't thought of as anything near a HOF QB until he worked with Payton.

I know I'm biased, but Andy Reid is the best QB coach that I've ever seen.  You could argue McNabb and Mahomes are good enough to make anybody look good, but Foles, Vick, and Smith were coached to elite-level play.

I don't think Smith was coached to elite-level play.

 
He wasn't so good that it's inarguable.  He led the NFL in passer rating one season and had his best seasons under Andy, although nobody would've considered him on the level of more talented elite QBs.  There are probably 5 guys over the past 20 years that led the league in passer rating that won't go to the HOF.  Two of those 5 were coached by Andy.  It's not a flawless barometer but I do think it helps show the value of Andy Reid as a QB whisperer.

[mocat]

There are probably 5 guys over the past 20 years that led the league in passer rating that won't go to the HOF.  Two of those 5 were coached by Andy.

2021 rodgers
2020 rodgers
2019 tannehill
2018 brees
2017 alex smith
2016 matt ryan
2015 russ
2014 romo
2013 foles
2012 rodgers
2011 rodgers
2010 brady
2009 brees
2008 rivers
2007 brady
2006 manning
2005 manning
2004 manning
2003 mcnair
2002 pennington

the 4 no-doubt HOF'ers (manning, brady, brees, rodgers) led the league in 11 of the 20 seasons

that leaves 9 seasons where a non-HOF'er led the league in passer rating.
if you want to count rivers/russ as HOF'ers, that leaves 7 guaranteed non-HOF'ers:

pennington
mcnair
foles
romo
ryan
smith
tannehill


also Andy didn't coach Foles the year he led the league in passer rating (not sure if you were implying that or not)

[Institutional Control]

Time to change the name of this thread. Brady is retiring.


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