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Re: ATTENTION!
« Reply #350 on: September 14, 2012, 01:04:03 PM »
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Re: ATTENTION!
« Reply #351 on: September 14, 2012, 01:07:12 PM »
yes he can stormnut, though that has nothing to do with what kk is saying. I don't know what part of that link you posted makes you think otherwise.

By 1967, however, the Court would note that "the major premise of Adler has been rejected."  In its place was a new premise: that the government ought not to be able to do indirectly what it cannot do directly.  The Court took the position that public employment cannot be conditioned on a surrender of constitutional rights.  The problem for the Court then became how to balance the government's interest in maintaining an efficient public workplace against the individual employee's interest in free expression.

Pickering v Board of Education considered the case of a public school teacher fired for writing a letter to a newspaper critical of the local school board.  In ordering the teacher reinstated, the Court found that a public employee's statements on a matter of public concern could not be the basis for discharge unless the statement contained knowing or reckless falsehoods, or the statements were of the sort to cause a substantial interference with the ability of the employee to continue to do his job.

Mt. Healthy v Doyle also involved a fired school teacher.  Doyle lost his job after calling a radio station disc jockey to complain about a memo sent to school teachers concerning a new teacher dress code.  Because Doyle had given the district other reasons for terminating him (such as giving "the finger" to two students), the Court remanded the case for a determination as to whether Doyle would have been fired even if he hadn't engaged in the protected expressive activity of calling the radio station.  If he would have been fired anyway, the termination could stand, the Court said.
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Re: ATTENTION!
« Reply #352 on: September 14, 2012, 01:08:44 PM »
yes he can stormnut, though that has nothing to do with what kk is saying. I don't know what part of that link you posted makes you think otherwise.

By 1967, however, the Court would note that "the major premise of Adler has been rejected."  In its place was a new premise: that the government ought not to be able to do indirectly what it cannot do directly.  The Court took the position that public employment cannot be conditioned on a surrender of constitutional rights.  The problem for the Court then became how to balance the government's interest in maintaining an efficient public workplace against the individual employee's interest in free expression.

Pickering v Board of Education considered the case of a public school teacher fired for writing a letter to a newspaper critical of the local school board.  In ordering the teacher reinstated, the Court found that a public employee's statements on a matter of public concern could not be the basis for discharge unless the statement contained knowing or reckless falsehoods, or the statements were of the sort to cause a substantial interference with the ability of the employee to continue to do his job.

Mt. Healthy v Doyle also involved a fired school teacher.  Doyle lost his job after calling a radio station disc jockey to complain about a memo sent to school teachers concerning a new teacher dress code.  Because Doyle had given the district other reasons for terminating him (such as giving "the finger" to two students), the Court remanded the case for a determination as to whether Doyle would have been fired even if he hadn't engaged in the protected expressive activity of calling the radio station.  If he would have been fired anyway, the termination could stand, the Court said.

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Re: ATTENTION!
« Reply #353 on: September 14, 2012, 01:08:52 PM »
i'm going to get stormnut fired from the gas station for defending racists/hating kanye

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Re: ATTENTION!
« Reply #354 on: September 14, 2012, 01:09:11 PM »
Good lord stormy, this "job" isn't what he's "hired" to do.  Whether he used university resources is irrelevant.  His 8 saturdays a year gig does not entitle him to due process rights or free speech rights.  He serves at the pleasure of the band director/AD.  If this was him being removed at his faculty position there would be due process rights and whether he used company time would be relevant.

His "job" as voice of the pride is different from his 8 to 5 job. I am defending his right to keep his 8 to 5 job that some want him fired from because of this.
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Re: ATTENTION!
« Reply #355 on: September 14, 2012, 01:09:47 PM »
yes he can stormnut, though that has nothing to do with what kk is saying. I don't know what part of that link you posted makes you think otherwise.

By 1967, however, the Court would note that "the major premise of Adler has been rejected."  In its place was a new premise: that the government ought not to be able to do indirectly what it cannot do directly.  The Court took the position that public employment cannot be conditioned on a surrender of constitutional rights.  The problem for the Court then became how to balance the government's interest in maintaining an efficient public workplace against the individual employee's interest in free expression.

Pickering v Board of Education considered the case of a public school teacher fired for writing a letter to a newspaper critical of the local school board.  In ordering the teacher reinstated, the Court found that a public employee's statements on a matter of public concern could not be the basis for discharge unless the statement contained knowing or reckless falsehoods, or the statements were of the sort to cause a substantial interference with the ability of the employee to continue to do his job.

Mt. Healthy v Doyle also involved a fired school teacher.  Doyle lost his job after calling a radio station disc jockey to complain about a memo sent to school teachers concerning a new teacher dress code.  Because Doyle had given the district other reasons for terminating him (such as giving "the finger" to two students), the Court remanded the case for a determination as to whether Doyle would have been fired even if he hadn't engaged in the protected expressive activity of calling the radio station.  If he would have been fired anyway, the termination could stand, the Court said.

I've got news for you, none of that means jack crap in this situation

How so?
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Re: ATTENTION!
« Reply #356 on: September 14, 2012, 01:10:47 PM »
yes he can stormnut, though that has nothing to do with what kk is saying. I don't know what part of that link you posted makes you think otherwise.

By 1967, however, the Court would note that "the major premise of Adler has been rejected."  In its place was a new premise: that the government ought not to be able to do indirectly what it cannot do directly.  The Court took the position that public employment cannot be conditioned on a surrender of constitutional rights.  The problem for the Court then became how to balance the government's interest in maintaining an efficient public workplace against the individual employee's interest in free expression.

Pickering v Board of Education considered the case of a public school teacher fired for writing a letter to a newspaper critical of the local school board.  In ordering the teacher reinstated, the Court found that a public employee's statements on a matter of public concern could not be the basis for discharge unless the statement contained knowing or reckless falsehoods, or the statements were of the sort to cause a substantial interference with the ability of the employee to continue to do his job.

Mt. Healthy v Doyle also involved a fired school teacher.  Doyle lost his job after calling a radio station disc jockey to complain about a memo sent to school teachers concerning a new teacher dress code.  Because Doyle had given the district other reasons for terminating him (such as giving "the finger" to two students), the Court remanded the case for a determination as to whether Doyle would have been fired even if he hadn't engaged in the protected expressive activity of calling the radio station.  If he would have been fired anyway, the termination could stand, the Court said.

I've got news for you, none of that means jack crap in this situation

How so?

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Good lord stormy, this "job" isn't what he's "hired" to do.  Whether he used university resources is irrelevant.  His 8 saturdays a year gig does not entitle him to due process rights or free speech rights.  He serves at the pleasure of the band director/AD.  If this was him being removed at his faculty position there would be due process rights and whether he used company time would be relevant.

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Re: ATTENTION!
« Reply #357 on: September 14, 2012, 01:12:53 PM »
kcatty, storm nut and the POWL voice guy can all explore their alternate legal realities on goEMAW because this is a free speech zone.  Unfortunately for them, as they make their way through this little thing called life they may bump up against the reality that free speech is not an absolute right everywhere.

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Re: ATTENTION!
« Reply #358 on: September 14, 2012, 01:13:25 PM »
sd and nut do realize that they are arguing and agreeing at the same time, right?
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Re: ATTENTION!
« Reply #359 on: September 14, 2012, 01:14:35 PM »
yes he can stormnut, though that has nothing to do with what kk is saying. I don't know what part of that link you posted makes you think otherwise.

By 1967, however, the Court would note that "the major premise of Adler has been rejected."  In its place was a new premise: that the government ought not to be able to do indirectly what it cannot do directly.  The Court took the position that public employment cannot be conditioned on a surrender of constitutional rights.  The problem for the Court then became how to balance the government's interest in maintaining an efficient public workplace against the individual employee's interest in free expression.

Pickering v Board of Education considered the case of a public school teacher fired for writing a letter to a newspaper critical of the local school board.  In ordering the teacher reinstated, the Court found that a public employee's statements on a matter of public concern could not be the basis for discharge unless the statement contained knowing or reckless falsehoods, or the statements were of the sort to cause a substantial interference with the ability of the employee to continue to do his job.

Mt. Healthy v Doyle also involved a fired school teacher.  Doyle lost his job after calling a radio station disc jockey to complain about a memo sent to school teachers concerning a new teacher dress code.  Because Doyle had given the district other reasons for terminating him (such as giving "the finger" to two students), the Court remanded the case for a determination as to whether Doyle would have been fired even if he hadn't engaged in the protected expressive activity of calling the radio station.  If he would have been fired anyway, the termination could stand, the Court said.

I've got news for you, none of that means jack crap in this situation

How so?

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Good lord stormy, this "job" isn't what he's "hired" to do.  Whether he used university resources is irrelevant.  His 8 saturdays a year gig does not entitle him to due process rights or free speech rights.  He serves at the pleasure of the band director/AD.  If this was him being removed at his faculty position there would be due process rights and whether he used company time would be relevant.

Should have been clearer. Defending his right to keep is 8 to 5 not the voice of the Pride. my bad.
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Re: ATTENTION!
« Reply #360 on: September 14, 2012, 01:15:24 PM »
the snark in this thread is thick
If there was a gif of nicname thwarting the attempted-flag-taker and then gesturing him to suck it, followed by motioning for all of Hilton Shelter to boo him louder, it'd be better than that auburn gif.

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Re: ATTENTION!
« Reply #361 on: September 14, 2012, 01:16:02 PM »
I was told that he would NOT be behind the mic or at the game this weekend.  Anybody else hearing this?

I can tell just from reading this post that you are a kstatefans'r at heart.

Is that one of the older MB's?

Yeah and everyone there always wants to feel really in the know by saying things like "anybody hearing this?" and "I'm hearing..." But to answer your question, yes. He's done announcing the band.

Thanks for the clarification.  I'll watch my posts from now on... dick.   :eek:  Is that more like this board?!?!   :crossfingers: :runaway:

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Re: ATTENTION!
« Reply #362 on: September 14, 2012, 01:17:38 PM »
I was told that he would NOT be behind the mic or at the game this weekend.  Anybody else hearing this?

I can tell just from reading this post that you are a kstatefans'r at heart.

Is that one of the older MB's?

Yeah and everyone there always wants to feel really in the know by saying things like "anybody hearing this?" and "I'm hearing..." But to answer your question, yes. He's done announcing the band.

Thanks for the clarification.  I'll watch my posts from now on... dick.   :eek:  Is that more like this board?!?!   :crossfingers: :runaway:

not really

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Re: ATTENTION!
« Reply #363 on: September 14, 2012, 01:22:09 PM »
lots of weirdos defending their right to be butthurt in here :sdeek:

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Re: ATTENTION!
« Reply #364 on: September 14, 2012, 01:22:49 PM »
Take it to the joe montgomery birther pit you tard.
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Re: ATTENTION!
« Reply #365 on: September 14, 2012, 01:49:32 PM »
not gonna read this whole thread 'cause i can't read so good but this is probably a luke but

Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 10:44:44 PM
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  I have received numerous e-mails tonight concerning the attempt by Joe Montgomery (band announcer) to have the Kansas Presidential Election Commission remove President Obama from the ballot because of that "Citizenship" issue.  It has brought a spotlight on to the band that is certainly unwarranted and foolish.  I have spoken with Joe and we both agree it is in both our best interests to part ways.  He will no longer announce for the band.
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Re: ATTENTION!
« Reply #366 on: September 14, 2012, 01:51:26 PM »
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Re: ATTENTION!
« Reply #367 on: September 14, 2012, 02:00:23 PM »
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« Reply #368 on: September 14, 2012, 02:06:40 PM »
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Re: ATTENTION!
« Reply #369 on: September 14, 2012, 02:15:55 PM »
I was told that he would NOT be behind the mic or at the game this weekend.  Anybody else hearing this?

I can tell just from reading this post that you are a kstatefans'r at heart.

Is that one of the older MB's?

Yeah and everyone there always wants to feel really in the know by saying things like "anybody hearing this?" and "I'm hearing..." But to answer your question, yes. He's done announcing the band.

Thanks for the clarification.  I'll watch my posts from now on... dick.   :eek:  Is that more like this board?!?!   :crossfingers: :runaway:

don't worry EMAMFW skinnybenny is quick to highlight any k-statefans type activity here because he thinks he's finally lost its scent from his clothing.  but he hasn't, oh no, he hasn't. :lol:


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« Reply #370 on: September 14, 2012, 02:16:41 PM »
Melissa Brunner ?@Melissa_Brunner
just spoke w joe montgomery; says he's w/drawing objection to Obama candidacy due to vindictive actions toward him, those around around him
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« Reply #371 on: September 14, 2012, 02:17:25 PM »
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« Reply #372 on: September 14, 2012, 02:20:03 PM »
You guys are rabble rowsers.
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« Reply #373 on: September 14, 2012, 02:20:57 PM »
You guys are rabble rowsers.

Some of us just love Kansas State bro

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Re: ATTENTION!
« Reply #374 on: September 14, 2012, 02:22:22 PM »