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2012's first _FANalysis is here...
« on: September 12, 2012, 10:12:32 PM »
_FANframes featuring multi-frame breakdowns of 5 key plays from K-State's destruction of Miami.

http://goEMAW.com/blog/?p=2092


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Re: 2012's first _FANalysis is here...
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2012, 10:17:45 PM »
How much of this stuff do you see real time? I would love to watch a game with you.

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Re: 2012's first _FANalysis is here...
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2012, 10:18:12 PM »
Should have done the trick play... other than that good stuff  :dance:

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Re: 2012's first _FANalysis is here...
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2012, 10:19:44 PM »
How much of this stuff do you see real time? I would love to watch a game with you.

Bits and pieces. Its usually pretty easy to see formations and general schemes. Its tough to see coverages though, unless you are really watching the secondary, but then you often miss the schemes.

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Re: 2012's first _FANalysis is here...
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2012, 10:20:11 PM »
Should have done the trick play... other than that good stuff  :dance:

If I have time I'll put it in this thread.

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Re: 2012's first _FANalysis is here...
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2012, 10:31:09 PM »
How much of this stuff do you see real time? I would love to watch a game with you.

Bits and pieces. Its usually pretty easy to see formations and general schemes.

I didn't get a chance to watch the full game until yesterday. First time I saw us go empty backfield I went "holy crap." Second time I saw us do that and actually pass I nearly crap myself. Then I was like "I wonder what _FAN thought of all this."

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Re: 2012's first _FANalysis is here...
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2012, 10:40:03 PM »
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Re: 2012's first _FANalysis is here...
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2012, 10:45:51 PM »

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Re: 2012's first _FANalysis is here...
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2012, 11:11:18 PM »
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:thumbs: _FAN, the first time a read this "joke board," it was one of these _FANalysi (?). This is the reason I came back and eventually started posting.

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Re: 2012's first _FANalysis is here...
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2012, 11:12:59 PM »
thank you so much. i could look at this stuff all day.

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Re: 2012's first _FANalysis is here...
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2012, 11:19:06 PM »
Great work

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Re: 2012's first _FANalysis is here...
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2012, 12:52:31 AM »
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Re: 2012's first _FANalysis is here...
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2012, 01:22:42 AM »
That was really rough ridin' good.  It reminded me of some serious ESPN breakdowns.  If only I had _Fan reading it aloud to me...

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2012's first _FANalysis is here...
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2012, 06:20:47 AM »
Fantastic

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Re: 2012's first _FANalysis is here...
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2012, 07:22:48 AM »
Would you agree that #4 was essentially an option play that Klein could either keep or throw the "pitch" (bubble) to Lockett based on his read of the outside linebacker?  That was how I interpreted it in real time.  Also I'm pretty sure I remember on occasional running plays seeing a WR run a similar bubble route.
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« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2012, 08:02:25 AM »
Would you agree that #4 was essentially an option play that Klein could either keep or throw the "pitch" (bubble) to Lockett based on his read of the outside linebacker?  That was how I interpreted it in real time.  Also I'm pretty sure I remember on occasional running plays seeing a WR run a similar bubble route.

It looks similar to the bubble option we have run in the past, like the play Coffman scored on to beat UCF in the storm game, but that was off zone read action with the QB and RB in a 1 back set. I'm not so sure Klein had an option to run though based on how he set up and how quickly he gets the throw out. We ran this run action bubble last year as well.

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Re: 2012's first _FANalysis is here...
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2012, 08:48:57 AM »
this is awesome.   any chance you could add vid clips of the plays so we can watch it after we read the _Fanalysis?

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Re: 2012's first _FANalysis is here...
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2012, 09:14:26 AM »
the trick play...

I'll do my best to explain why "The Play" didn't work so well. Part was the difficulty of the behind the back, no look pitch, but a big part was also very poor execution, especially from the tight end and right tackle.

K-State scored in Miami last year in a nearly identical situation, 3rd and goal from inside the 5. However, the formation was 3 receivers split out and only 1 back in the backfield. This year we had double tight ends, 2 backs, and only Harper in at receiver. Miami's defense is tight to the formation, and Harper's motion across the formation removes the corner leaving only the outside linebacker to beat if the reverse was executed.



There are several keys besides the pitch to the execution of the play. First, the tight end must get a release (short line) behind the linebackers to sell the jump pass. Second, the offensive front must not allow penetration to make the pitch easier for Klein to execute. 3rd, Hubert must get to the edge (long line) and seal the outside linebacker.



Harper times out his turn pretty well to get the timing for the pitch (left circle). However, the tight end is manhandled by the defensive end and is unable to get a release for the quick route. I'm sure that is what Miami's defensive end was coached to do in this situation after we ran the jump pass successfully last year, but the tight end still should be able to get off into his route quicker than he did.



Making matters worse, as Klein steps up into his jump fake the right tackle has gotten absolutely blown into the backfield (large circle) by Miami's defensive tackle. IMO this disrupted Klein's pitch just enough to make it impossible for Harper to catch. You can also see the tight end is still engaged with the defensive end (small circle) so the jump pass fake is non existent to pull in the outside linebacker inside. Hubert appears to have the outside shoulder blocked of the outside linebacker, so the play still probably scores if the pitch is executed.



Its not until Harper is scrambling for the ball that the tight end finally gets his release. In hindsight its easy to say that Harper should've just fallen on the ball as soon as possible and possibly saved as many as 5 yards, but he reacted and tried to make something happen.



Again, just the pitch part of the play was going to be difficult to execute on its own, but the major mistakes by both the tight end and tackle made execution nearly impossible. I will still contend while difficult and unconventional, the overall design was sound. It just got blown up in large part because Miami's defensive end and tackle made good plays at the point of attack.

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Re: 2012's first _FANalysis is here...
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2012, 09:41:08 AM »
I really appreciated that breakdown _Fan.

I just don't understand what 3rd and change goal line play lost to that. Maybe Snyder wants to free up the jump pass against OU?
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Re: 2012's first _FANalysis is here...
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2012, 09:50:36 AM »
I really appreciated that breakdown _Fan.

I just don't understand what 3rd and change goal line play lost to that. Maybe Snyder wants to free up the jump pass against OU?

Its a legit question. On first and goal from the 6 we ran QB lead/power out of a double tight formation with 2 split receivers and gained 2 yards. Second and goal from the 4 we ran the same play from the same formation but to the opposite side and gained 3. We came out in the same formation on 3rd and goal from the 1 and called timeout. There were still 5 seconds on the play clock when we called time out. So yeah, it almost looks like we ran it just to see if it would work and put something crazy on film for opponents. Its about as close to LHC Bill Snyder arrogance as you are going to get for that to happen.

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Re: 2012's first _FANalysis is here...
« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2012, 10:39:02 AM »
That was about the perfect time to try something crazy.  We're up big, but it's early enough that there won't be too many cries of RUTS.

If you've put that play in, you might as well use it then, because there aren't going to get many better chances than that.

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« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2012, 10:40:02 AM »
That was about the perfect time to try something crazy.  We're up big, but it's early enough that there won't be too many cries of RUTS.

If you've put that play in, you might as well use it then, because there aren't going to get many better chances than that.

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Re: 2012's first _FANalysis is here...
« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2012, 01:26:40 PM »
 :thumbs:   Awesome job as always, _Fan. 

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Re: 2012's first _FANalysis is here...
« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2012, 01:41:36 PM »
Out of pure curiosity, what is your background in football playing/coaching?

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« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2012, 01:46:15 PM »
Out of pure curiosity, what is your background in football playing/coaching?

Much more coaching than playing, currently a coach.