the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...

[deputy dawg]

[Stevesie60]

sonofdaxjones is to KU as OK Cat is to OU.

[mocat]

OKC is set up like a miniature Dallas with a quicker interstate system.

What in the world does this mean, exactly?

[SoonerInjun]

soonerinjun,

with all due respect i think everyone here gets that OU will attempt to spread us out and get better athletes in space for match up issues.  But that isn't always easier said than done.  If that were the case OU would have won the league a year ago and definitely would not have been rendered totally inept in games like Oklahoma State.  Even in the Iowa game OU had plenty of struggles offensively.  If it were that easy Florida State wouldn't have gone through their downturn in recent years and, well, Miami would have kicked our asses up and down the field.

I think you get the point.

We understand the dynamics you pointed out and that is why there are plenty on this board who make the general assumption OU will win going away.  That may indeed prove to be accurate.

I am of the belief that things have changed along both sides of the line for both teams since we last met.  I think two of the biggest factors that determined last year's matchup was our general lack of athleticism along the offensive line matched up with your pass rushers.  When we needed to pass we simply couldn't buy any time.  If you remove the sacks, we ran the ball extremely well.  But, facing a deficit, we were forced into completing some passes. 

The other major difference is the changes along your offensive line, the absence of Broyles, and your pass rushing set.  I am not sold on your running game...it didn't exist until late vs. UTEP and the other example is against Florida A&Whatever.

Ah appreciator of the game, I see.

I think I speak for Sooner Nation when I say ....Pfftt Miami.
That's like comparing a Ford to a Lexus.
So yes we will most definitely do what Miami attempted to do.
Except our running backs don't drop balls,our receivers and backs are better and we have Landry.
If you're relying on Miami for confidence then it's going to be a long Saturday for you.

Now the lines is indeed where the story of the game ultimately will unfold. You're absolutely right about these two teams being different from last yr in that regard. I think by now the B12 bro's would have learned that OU being down does not mean we are out. On the contrary, we use coaching and our athletes to find innovative ways to limit the effects of our weaknesses.

I think this is what you will see on Saturday. We have a large playbook we can utilize to give Landry time and room to throw, and of course we will try to run to further isolate your secondary.

I think on defense we all know whats coming from the Sooners for the most part. It will be combination packages to keep your OC guessing and
we'll take any big hit we can get.

This game will be about who can make the other team play it's tempo first. Given the advantages OU has this go around I think it's fair to say
This game is our's to lose.

I agree with your assessment that the lines will decide the game though. I'm confident we will play to our strengths and overcome Snyders superior O line. It's the only real matchup advantage you have on us and I don't believe it will be enough.

Should be a great game.
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Is playing dumb Emaws idea of trolling?
You're still children in that regard I guess. Enjoy the map.

[p1k3]

Will you guys stomp on Klein again if you get a chance?

[EMAWmeister]

WudUp Injun, Boomer.

I was going to leave a video for you mildcats to ponder but your fisherprice web site wont embed you tube.
So here you go.

17-14

Goddamit, that tank/boat float was rough ridin' incredible.

 

[slobber]

Imagine how good you'd be if you had Klein or Sams at qb!

[OK_Cat]

sonofdaxjones is to KU as OK Cat is to OU.

confirmed, hate those guys so much.

[Blackcats]

soonerinjun,

with all due respect i think everyone here gets that OU will attempt to spread us out and get better athletes in space for match up issues.  But that isn't always easier said than done.  If that were the case OU would have won the league a year ago and definitely would not have been rendered totally inept in games like Oklahoma State.  Even in the Iowa game OU had plenty of struggles offensively.  If it were that easy Florida State wouldn't have gone through their downturn in recent years and, well, Miami would have kicked our asses up and down the field.

I think you get the point.

We understand the dynamics you pointed out and that is why there are plenty on this board who make the general assumption OU will win going away.  That may indeed prove to be accurate.

I am of the belief that things have changed along both sides of the line for both teams since we last met.  I think two of the biggest factors that determined last year's matchup was our general lack of athleticism along the offensive line matched up with your pass rushers.  When we needed to pass we simply couldn't buy any time.  If you remove the sacks, we ran the ball extremely well.  But, facing a deficit, we were forced into completing some passes. 

The other major difference is the changes along your offensive line, the absence of Broyles, and your pass rushing set.  I am not sold on your running game...it didn't exist until late vs. UTEP and the other example is against Florida A&Whatever.

Ah appreciator of the game, I see.

I think I speak for Sooner Nation when I say ....Pfftt Miami.
That's like comparing a Ford to a Lexus.
So yes we will most definitely do what Miami attempted to do.
Except our running backs don't drop balls,our receivers and backs are better and we have Landry.
If you're relying on Miami for confidence then it's going to be a long Saturday for you.

Now the lines is indeed where the story of the game ultimately will unfold. You're absolutely right about these two teams being different from last yr in that regard. I think by now the B12 bro's would have learned that OU being down does not mean we are out. On the contrary, we use coaching and our athletes to find innovative ways to limit the effects of our weaknesses.

I think this is what you will see on Saturday. We have a large playbook we can utilize to give Landry time and room to throw, and of course we will try to run to further isolate your secondary.

I think on defense we all know whats coming from the Sooners for the most part. It will be combination packages to keep your OC guessing and
we'll take any big hit we can get.

This game will be about who can make the other team play it's tempo first. Given the advantages OU has this go around I think it's fair to say
This game is our's to lose.

I agree with your assessment that the lines will decide the game though. I'm confident we will play to our strengths and overcome Snyders superior O line. It's the only real matchup advantage you have on us and I don't believe it will be enough.

Should be a great game.
___________________________________________________________________________________________-

Is playing dumb Emaws idea of trolling?
You're still children in that regard I guess. Enjoy the map.

Have you driven a Ford lately?

[felix rex]

Man. I have not been around OU fans for a long time. This takes me back. Also reminds me that TE Brannon Green's dad was my sister's high school softball coach (was a good dude, though).

[Sandstone Outcropping]

Bob Stoops hates and despises LHCBS, Manhattan and the color purple:

   
K-State Sports Extra

STOOPS HOLDS GREAT APPRECIATION FOR SNYDER


Sept. 20, 2012

By Mark Janssen


Today, Oklahoma football coach Bob Stoops still calls former Florida coach Steve Spurrier the best he's ever been associated with. But because of his tie with coach LHC Bill Snyder, he quickly adds, "I gained an appreciation for attention to detail and everyday persistence in getting the job done one way or the other every single day."

That association started in 1982 when Stoops was the team MVP and an All-American defensive back for the Iowa Hawkeyes when he practiced against Snyder's offense every day. Later he was an Iowa graduate assistant prepping his defense against Snyder's offensive attack on a daily basis.

Fast forward to 1989 and it was Stoops, a youngster coaching at Kent State, that Snyder called on to be a part of his first Kansas State coaching staff.

"He came from a football family and was in it for the long haul," said Snyder of the hire. "I always liked the way he would compete. It was probably a hard choice for Bobby because he could have looked at Kansas State as maybe one of those dead-end programs."

But to hear Stoops, who was then just 28 years of age, tell it, "I looked at it as an incredible opportunity. That's how naïve I was. I came from the Big Ten and we didn't keep up on that many Big 8 teams. I had no idea how bad it was at K-State. Losing never entered my mind because of my belief in coach Snyder. He didn't lose."

What Stoops later found out is that he was indeed rolling the dice on his coaching career going to a school that had lost 13 games in a row, was 0-26-1 in the last 27 games, and in Big 8 play had gone 0-18-1 in its last 19 starts.

Now a 52-year-old, Stoops reflects on the K-State program of 23 years ago, "It's impossible to describe how it was in words. I just couldn't give the situation justice. People have no idea how beat up the program was. The facilities were so poor, the community attitude toward the players was so bad, and we didn't have players."

Emphasizing, "This is the truth," he added, "We went through that first spring camp with four defensive linemen and two of those were not on scholarship. That's all we had. We would stop practice to hose them off, they'd catch their breath, and we would start all over again. Honestly, there's no way to describe how bad it was."

Stoops coached at K-State through the 1995 season when the Wildcats won 28 games in his final three seasons and started the run of bowl games that first took the team to the Copper, Aloha and Holiday bowls.

He would go on to be Spurrier's defensive coordinator at Florida where the Gators won the 1996 national title, and then he became the head coach at Oklahoma in 1999 and won the national crown in 2000.

Now into his 14th season with the Sooners, the two-time National Coach of the Year has won 141 games, which includes victories in the Orange, Rose, Fiesta, Cotton, Holiday, Insight and Sun Bowls, plus the victory over Florida State in the Sugar Bowl that wrapped up a national title.

All of that, yet Stoops says, "I honestly tell people today that one of my all-time favorite victories in coaching was that first win with Kansas State (20-17 over North Texas State in 1989). That win ranks up there with most any of them. I've never been around kids, or a community, that needed a win so badly."

K-State had opened the 1989 season with losses to Arizona State (31-0), Northern Iowa (10-8) and Northern Illinois (37-20), and trailed North Texas State 17-13 after the Mean Green completed a deep ball over Stoops' secondary.

"We had the game won and then all of a sudden the ball flies over every defender we had and we were behind. At that moment I thought that maybe this program was cursed," said Stoops of the Wildcats, who had lost 16 games in a row and owned a record of 0-28-1 over the previous two-plus seasons at that point. "We came back and won it on the last play of the game. I went from being as disappointed as I've ever been, to as elated as I've ever been."

Of that youthful staff that included snagging Nick Quartaro from Drake, to Tom Grogan from being in human resources for the Black and Veatch Architecture firm in Kansas City, to John Latina from Temple, to Mike Nelson from San Diego State and Kevin Ramsey of Indiana State, Stoops said, "An older coaching staff might have given up earlier, but we had a young staff that was naïve, which in this instance helped us. We knew we were going to win. We hadn't done anything else."

K-State went 1-10 the first year, but then jumped to five wins in 1990 and a remarkable seven in 1991. During Stoops' final four seasons at K-State as defensive coordinator, the Wildcats won 5, 9  9 and 10 games. Two of those 33 victories came in bowl games - the 1993 Copper Bowl and 1995 Holiday Bowl.

"I'm not surprised how fast it happened because coach Snyder was in charge," said Stoops, who owns a personal 7-1 record against his former boss. "In our (staff) eyes, we were not going to be denied. That was just our collective attitude because we knew what he (Snyder) was all about. We would have been surprised had we not won."

While rivals on Saturday in Norman in the 6:50 p.m., start, the two remain very close as was demonstrated this summer when Snyder was the guest of Stoops at Country Stampede where they enjoyed the personal company of Toby Keith.

Would Snyder have taken time to relax at such a gathering 20-plus years ago, Stoops grinned as he said, "I'm not sure if I should answer that." Laughing he added, "Probably not."

We hope you enjoy K-State Sports Extra. We would like to hear your comments and any story ideas for future emails, so fire them our way. Contact either Mark Janssen or Kansas State Assistant AD for Communications Kenny Lannou.

[0.42]

I ask because I'm not very edgy myself...

How come opposing fans that try to be edgy here are often so terrible at it? 

TIA

To be fair, we have years of experience.

I was pretty bad when I first started out on ksufans.

[pissclams]

Bob Stoops hates and despises LHCBS, Manhattan and the color purple:

   
K-State Sports Extra

STOOPS HOLDS GREAT APPRECIATION FOR SNYDER


Sept. 20, 2012

By Mark Janssen


Today, Oklahoma football coach Bob Stoops still calls former Florida coach Steve Spurrier the best he's ever been associated with. But because of his tie with coach LHC Bill Snyder, he quickly adds, "I gained an appreciation for attention to detail and everyday persistence in getting the job done one way or the other every single day."

That association started in 1982 when Stoops was the team MVP and an All-American defensive back for the Iowa Hawkeyes when he practiced against Snyder's offense every day. Later he was an Iowa graduate assistant prepping his defense against Snyder's offensive attack on a daily basis.

Fast forward to 1989 and it was Stoops, a youngster coaching at Kent State, that Snyder called on to be a part of his first Kansas State coaching staff.

"He came from a football family and was in it for the long haul," said Snyder of the hire. "I always liked the way he would compete. It was probably a hard choice for Bobby because he could have looked at Kansas State as maybe one of those dead-end programs."

But to hear Stoops, who was then just 28 years of age, tell it, "I looked at it as an incredible opportunity. That's how naïve I was. I came from the Big Ten and we didn't keep up on that many Big 8 teams. I had no idea how bad it was at K-State. Losing never entered my mind because of my belief in coach Snyder. He didn't lose."

What Stoops later found out is that he was indeed rolling the dice on his coaching career going to a school that had lost 13 games in a row, was 0-26-1 in the last 27 games, and in Big 8 play had gone 0-18-1 in its last 19 starts.

Now a 52-year-old, Stoops reflects on the K-State program of 23 years ago, "It's impossible to describe how it was in words. I just couldn't give the situation justice. People have no idea how beat up the program was. The facilities were so poor, the community attitude toward the players was so bad, and we didn't have players."

Emphasizing, "This is the truth," he added, "We went through that first spring camp with four defensive linemen and two of those were not on scholarship. That's all we had. We would stop practice to hose them off, they'd catch their breath, and we would start all over again. Honestly, there's no way to describe how bad it was."

Stoops coached at K-State through the 1995 season when the Wildcats won 28 games in his final three seasons and started the run of bowl games that first took the team to the Copper, Aloha and Holiday bowls.

He would go on to be Spurrier's defensive coordinator at Florida where the Gators won the 1996 national title, and then he became the head coach at Oklahoma in 1999 and won the national crown in 2000.

Now into his 14th season with the Sooners, the two-time National Coach of the Year has won 141 games, which includes victories in the Orange, Rose, Fiesta, Cotton, Holiday, Insight and Sun Bowls, plus the victory over Florida State in the Sugar Bowl that wrapped up a national title.

All of that, yet Stoops says, "I honestly tell people today that one of my all-time favorite victories in coaching was that first win with Kansas State (20-17 over North Texas State in 1989). That win ranks up there with most any of them. I've never been around kids, or a community, that needed a win so badly."

K-State had opened the 1989 season with losses to Arizona State (31-0), Northern Iowa (10-8) and Northern Illinois (37-20), and trailed North Texas State 17-13 after the Mean Green completed a deep ball over Stoops' secondary.

"We had the game won and then all of a sudden the ball flies over every defender we had and we were behind. At that moment I thought that maybe this program was cursed," said Stoops of the Wildcats, who had lost 16 games in a row and owned a record of 0-28-1 over the previous two-plus seasons at that point. "We came back and won it on the last play of the game. I went from being as disappointed as I've ever been, to as elated as I've ever been."

Of that youthful staff that included snagging Nick Quartaro from Drake, to Tom Grogan from being in human resources for the Black and Veatch Architecture firm in Kansas City, to John Latina from Temple, to Mike Nelson from San Diego State and Kevin Ramsey of Indiana State, Stoops said, "An older coaching staff might have given up earlier, but we had a young staff that was naïve, which in this instance helped us. We knew we were going to win. We hadn't done anything else."

K-State went 1-10 the first year, but then jumped to five wins in 1990 and a remarkable seven in 1991. During Stoops' final four seasons at K-State as defensive coordinator, the Wildcats won 5, 9  9 and 10 games. Two of those 33 victories came in bowl games - the 1993 Copper Bowl and 1995 Holiday Bowl.

"I'm not surprised how fast it happened because coach Snyder was in charge," said Stoops, who owns a personal 7-1 record against his former boss. "In our (staff) eyes, we were not going to be denied. That was just our collective attitude because we knew what he (Snyder) was all about. We would have been surprised had we not won."

While rivals on Saturday in Norman in the 6:50 p.m., start, the two remain very close as was demonstrated this summer when Snyder was the guest of Stoops at Country Stampede where they enjoyed the personal company of Toby Keith.

Would Snyder have taken time to relax at such a gathering 20-plus years ago, Stoops grinned as he said, "I'm not sure if I should answer that." Laughing he added, "Probably not."

We hope you enjoy K-State Sports Extra. We would like to hear your comments and any story ideas for future emails, so fire them our way. Contact either Mark Janssen or Kansas State Assistant AD for Communications Kenny Lannou.

i'm so sick of this crap.  stoops hasn't been here in 40 years.  mark jansen, the d.scott of an older generation.

[XocolateThundarr]

Guys, Soonerinjun says that they have a large playbook that they can utilize.  Do you hear that......LARGE!!!

[deputy dawg]

I'm confident we will play to our strengths and overcome Snyders superior O line. It's the only real matchup advantage you have on us and I don't believe it will be enough.

Ah, yes, having a superior O-line doesn't mean jack when you're playing the Sooners.  I guess being able to run the ball to set up the pass won't have any effect on OU's superior athletes and coaching.  Pffft, can't wait for that game Saturday.

[p1k3]

Stoops is such rough ridin' trash. I remember how much I wanted to just punch him in the face last year.

[Why So Emawtional bro?]

I'm confident we will play to our strengths and overcome Snyders superior O line. It's the only real matchup advantage you have on us and I don't believe it will be enough.

Ah, yes, having a superior O-line doesn't mean jack when you're playing the Sooners.  I guess being able to run the ball to set up the pass won't have any effect on OU's superior athletes and coaching.  Pffft, can't wait for that game Saturday.

It's like you mildcat homers are incapable of learning from the past.
Having a better o-line is not enough.
I see injun all ready broke it down for you so I'm not going to expand on his thoughts.
Vegas knows whats up, all the sport writers know whats up too. Emam is overmatched and going down.....again.

Enjoy our fight song on Saturday.

[WildcatNkilt]

ESPN loves our nuts.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/

[Pittcat]

ESPN loves our nuts.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/

A little late WildlukeNkilt.

[DQ12]

mildcat

BULLETIN BOARD MATERIAL

[Cartierfor3]

I'm confident we will play to our strengths and overcome Snyders superior O line. It's the only real matchup advantage you have on us and I don't believe it will be enough.

Ah, yes, having a superior O-line doesn't mean jack when you're playing the Sooners.  I guess being able to run the ball to set up the pass won't have any effect on OU's superior athletes and coaching.  Pffft, can't wait for that game Saturday.

It's like you mildcat homers are incapable of learning from the past.
Having a better o-line is not enough.
I see injun all ready broke it down for you so I'm not going to expand on his thoughts.
Vegas knows whats up, all the sport writers know whats up too. Emam is overmatched and going down.....again.

Enjoy our fight song on Saturday.

3 things:

1.  Thanks for posting, we're super glad you stopped by
2.  Injun's breakdown was that the OU offense has no plan and will figure out on the fly because they're so athletic, not worried.
3.  Ts and Ps to you and your family.  I hear diabetes is really rough. 

[puniraptor]

I'm confident we will play to our strengths and overcome Snyders superior O line. It's the only real matchup advantage you have on us and I don't believe it will be enough.

Ah, yes, having a superior O-line doesn't mean jack when you're playing the Sooners.  I guess being able to run the ball to set up the pass won't have any effect on OU's superior athletes and coaching.  Pffft, can't wait for that game Saturday.

It's like you mildcat homers are incapable of learning from the past.
Having a better o-line is not enough.
I see injun all ready broke it down for you so I'm not going to expand on his thoughts.
Vegas knows whats up, all the sport writers know whats up too. Emam is overmatched and going down.....again.

Enjoy our fight song on Saturday.

Do you have any players specifically I should expect to attempt to stomp on Collin Klein's sternum?

[mocat]

Enjoy our fight song on Saturday.

  Why do you retards play it so much during games?

[SoonerInjun]

Do you have any players specifically I should expect to attempt to stomp on Collin Klein's sternum?

I always thought you guys were joking about this. Did he step on him? yes.
I would have been upset too. It was hardly intentional though. He even tried to reach out to him when he
realized he might be hurt and the ref waived him off.

See:


So no,nobody is head hunting Klein that I know of.
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Why do you retards play it so much during games?

It's all explained in this chart.





 

[puniraptor]

Do you have any players specifically I should expect to attempt to stomp on Collin Klein's sternum?

I always thought you guys were joking about this. Did he step on him? yes.
I would have been upset too. It was hardly intentional though. He even tried to reach out to him when he
realized he might be hurt and the ref waived him off.

See:


So no,nobody is head hunting Klein that I know of.

  WATCHING THAT MADE ME REALLY