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the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« on: September 12, 2012, 01:19:56 PM »
two main differences from a year ago and both surround the play of the line:

1) KSU is far more athletic up front on offense than a year ago.  We had zero issues going without a TE in a number of passing situations against Miami.  Not only is the difference in capabilities visible but it is demonstrated by the coaches' confidence in formations.  OU is NOT as imposing in terms of the pass rush this year.  Alexander and Ronnell Lewis were very good collegiate pass rushers and they don't have anybody, at least prepared to play, at their level.  This match up last year was a monstrous edge for OU last year and certainly impacted the game significantly.

2) OU has surrendered 6 sacks in the first two games.  Last year they gave up about 8 or 9, total.  They lost their stud LT, starting center, and a guard who, if he wasn't a starter, saw significant minutes.  While KSU doesn't have a bunch of pass rushers I think we have demonstrated from the Miami game that we have some capabilities in that area...at least a little more than a year ago.

This is more like 2a but I will keep harping on this point.  OU, even with the veteran line LAST YEAR, has not been the same since Broyles got hurt last year.  Broyles was that security blanket with whom Landry had a lot of chemistry.  They have struggled since and it continued into their first game this year.  They were not the same offense that put 58 points on the board last year AFTER he got hurt.

OU still has better talent, will be playing at home, has more skill...but there are some match ups in this game which are becoming more clear that would lend itself to a very competitive game.


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Academics is a stupid word.

Academic schools are synonymous for being rich, powerful and exclusive, three things Kansas State is not.

So when people throw the word "academics" around, that's really what they are referencing.

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2012, 01:23:31 PM »
of course, the other issue is we're not as good at corner and not as experienced at safety.  If they buy Landry any kind of time and he establishes some chemistry with his receivers we'll be in trouble.  I just don't know if their passing offense will be consistent enough this year.  I think they are vastly overrated where they are ranked at the moment.  Definitely a top 20 team and capable of blistering some teams but I don't see them winning many games THIS year that handily in the conference.
Academics is a stupid word.

Academic schools are synonymous for being rich, powerful and exclusive, three things Kansas State is not.

So when people throw the word "academics" around, that's really what they are referencing.

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2012, 01:25:09 PM »
pump that sunsh, hatter, pump that sunsh

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2012, 01:25:39 PM »
Assuming we win against NT easily, this will be an intriguing spread.

I'd guess OU -7

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2012, 01:27:23 PM »

OU still has better talent, will be playing at home, has more skill


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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2012, 01:30:16 PM »
I don't like that they have 2 weeks to prepare for their superbowl. 

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2012, 01:31:01 PM »
I don't like that they have 2 weeks to prepare for their superbowl.
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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2012, 01:32:22 PM »
I don't like that they have 2 weeks to prepare for their superbowl.


Are you serious?

That is a blessing in disguise my friend.
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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2012, 01:33:12 PM »
I don't like that they have 2 weeks to prepare for their superbowl.


Are you serious?

That is a blessing in disguise my friend.

I'm listening....

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2012, 01:38:05 PM »
I don't like that they have 2 weeks to prepare for their superbowl.


Are you serious?

That is a blessing in disguise my friend.

I'm listening....


They need more games to get their crap figured out.  We get three games to get our crap figured out.
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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2012, 01:41:26 PM »
Are we the best team to march into Norman in like a long time? Or not?

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2012, 01:57:43 PM »
Are we the best team to march into Norman in like a long time? Or not?

#2 Texas Tech came in there in 2008, #12 OSU came in there in 2009.  So probably since 2009 and more likely 2008.

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2012, 01:59:39 PM »
Are we the best team to march into Norman in like a long time? Or not?
Prob since Bedlam '09
Free edge up to defensive starters when opponents held under 10.

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2012, 02:01:15 PM »
Are we the best team to march into Norman in like a long time? Or not?

#2 Texas Tech came in there in 2008, #12 OSU came in there in 2009.  So probably since 2009 and more likely 2008.
Rankings aside, we are way better than those teams.

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2012, 02:02:54 PM »
Are we the best team to march into Norman in like a long time? Or not?

#2 Texas Tech came in there in 2008, #12 OSU came in there in 2009.  So probably since 2009 and more likely 2008.
Rankings aside, we are way better than those teams.

I'm not sure about '08 Tech. That was a very, very good team.

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2012, 02:05:57 PM »
Are we the best team to march into Norman in like a long time? Or not?

#2 Texas Tech came in there in 2008, #12 OSU came in there in 2009.  So probably since 2009 and more likely 2008.
Rankings aside, we are way better than those teams.


I'm not sure about '08 Tech. That was a very, very good team.

Offensively Tech by a mile, but I don't remember Tech having any sort of imposing defense. They won 11 games by scoring 42 points in the first half.

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2012, 02:28:38 PM »
Are we the best team to march into Norman in like a long time? Or not?

#2 Texas Tech came in there in 2008, #12 OSU came in there in 2009.  So probably since 2009 and more likely 2008.
Rankings aside, we are way better than those teams.


I'm not sure about '08 Tech. That was a very, very good team.

Offensively Tech by a mile, but I don't remember Tech having any sort of imposing defense. They won 11 games by scoring 42 points in the first half.

But neither of those were even games were they? I remember Tech got massacred and OSU got shut out one year, not sure if it was '09.

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2012, 02:35:16 PM »
Are we the best team to march into Norman in like a long time? Or not?

#2 Texas Tech came in there in 2008, #12 OSU came in there in 2009.  So probably since 2009 and more likely 2008.
Rankings aside, we are way better than those teams.


I'm not sure about '08 Tech. That was a very, very good team.

Offensively Tech by a mile, but I don't remember Tech having any sort of imposing defense. They won 11 games by scoring 42 points in the first half.

But neither of those were even games were they? I remember Tech got massacred and OSU got shut out one year, not sure if it was '09.

OU had national title contending teams those years, though. They do not look nearly as good this year.

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2012, 02:37:57 PM »
Are we the best team to march into Norman in like a long time? Or not?

#2 Texas Tech came in there in 2008, #12 OSU came in there in 2009.  So probably since 2009 and more likely 2008.
Rankings aside, we are way better than those teams.


I'm not sure about '08 Tech. That was a very, very good team.

Offensively Tech by a mile, but I don't remember Tech having any sort of imposing defense. They won 11 games by scoring 42 points in the first half.

But neither of those were even games were they? I remember Tech got massacred and OSU got shut out one year, not sure if it was '09.

OU had national title contending teams those years, though. They do not look nearly as good this year.

True. I should rephrase:

Given the implications and observations from the first two games...Is this the best match up in Norman in a long time? (other than Tech last year, lol doesn't count)

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2012, 02:41:41 PM »
with regards to the thread title:

...dobber is going to be there! (Can't frickin' wait!)

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2012, 02:57:05 PM »
we're going to get rolled again   :cry:

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2012, 03:02:14 PM »
we're going to get rolled again   :cry:

I don't think we are. 

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2012, 03:03:21 PM »
Cats win....BIG

OU is pillowy soft

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2012, 03:04:33 PM »
we're going to get rolled again   :cry:

jfc, you're such a rough ridin' homer.

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Re: the KSU-OU match up has a different dynamic this year...
« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2012, 03:07:12 PM »
We'll be top 6 after this game.