The Obama Paradox

[HeinBallz]

Here's what I find hilarious; Every Republican I know doesn't even think Mitt is a great candidate.  crap, even every talk show hosts, except for dipshits like Laura Ingram, will admit he's not a great candidate.  They're just voting for "not Obama"  There is a very passionate group of eligible voters that the republican party could made a tremendously HUGE power grab at by just nominating Ron Paul.

The republican party with Ron Paul, would have had All of the "not Obama" people voting republican, All of the libertarians voting republican, All of the Green Party voting republican, All of the grass roots people voting republican, a substantial portion of the over 40% people that just don't give a crap about voting because they don't see a difference between the two candidates voting republican, and a slew of religious pro-life/anti-gay democrats voting republican.

Would have been a rough ridin' landslide victory for the republicans - and a sure defeat of Obama.  But apparently, defeating Obama isn't THE MOST IMPORTANT thing.

Yeah but Ron Paul is a rough ridin' loser.

You're probably assuming that I'm bitter; On the contrary - I a bit relieved & a bit LOL at the hypocrisy.  If this were REALLY the most important election of our lives, we wouldn't be stuck with Mitt "mother eff'n" Romney as the alternative to Obama. 

[sonofdaxjones]

There are actually quite a few liberals who think Obama sucks, and actually understand that on a foreign policy and civil liberties basis Obama is essentially W. Bush II, but . . . they're going to vote for him anyway.   Lessor of two evils and some such nonsense.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Here's what I find hilarious; Every Republican I know doesn't even think Mitt is a great candidate.  crap, even every talk show hosts, except for dipshits like Laura Ingram, will admit he's not a great candidate.  They're just voting for "not Obama"  There is a very passionate group of eligible voters that the republican party could made a tremendously HUGE power grab at by just nominating Ron Paul.

The republican party with Ron Paul, would have had All of the "not Obama" people voting republican, All of the libertarians voting republican, All of the Green Party voting republican, All of the grass roots people voting republican, a substantial portion of the over 40% people that just don't give a crap about voting because they don't see a difference between the two candidates voting republican, and a slew of religious pro-life/anti-gay democrats voting republican.

Would have been a rough ridin' landslide victory for the republicans - and a sure defeat of Obama.  But apparently, defeating Obama isn't THE MOST IMPORTANT thing.

Ron Paul's foreign policy scares most republicans to death, and a lot of them would prefer Obama to Iran getting a nuclear bomb without us at least fighting a war first.

[HeinBallz]

Please show me 1 single person that calls themselves a republican that would vote for Obama if Ron Paul were the republican nominee.


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[Rage Against the McKee]

Please show me 1 single person that calls themselves a republican that would vote for Obama if Ron Paul were the republican nominee.


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http://decoded.nationaljournal.com/2011/12/gingrich-unloads-on-paul-worse.php

[HeinBallz]

Paul's supporters have complained for months that Paul wasn't getting the attention he deserved. Now that he's within reach of an early-state victory, the media scrutiny and attacks from rivals are escalating rapidly.

People don't like him or his policy - but I wouldn't reference an article from a period when they were rivals running for the same position.  Gengrich likely would have said the same about Romney at the same point in time.

[sys]

Please show me 1 single person that calls themselves a republican that would vote for Obama if Ron Paul were the republican nominee.

i'm voting for johnson, and i wouldn't vote for paul if he were the 'pub or lib' candidate.  he's a rough ridin' weirdo.

[HeinBallz]

Johnson would not be running if Paul had got the nominee - would you vote Obama over Paul if they were the only two options?


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[sys]

would you vote Obama over Paul if they were the only two options?

yes.

[HeinBallz]

Wow - no kidding?  If someone where to  ask you what political party you claim, could you honestly call yourself a republican?  And allow them to believe everything about you that people believe about republicans? 


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[sys]

Wow - no kidding?  If someone where to  ask you what political party you claim, could you honestly call yourself a republican?  And allow them to believe everything about you that people believe about republicans?

i'm registered as a repub, but probably going to change it soon.  if someone asks, and i feel like answering, i say i'm probably closest to the libertarians in ideology, but really, despite steve dave's moronic assertion, there isn't a party or candidate that really even comes close to my suite of political preferences.

[HeinBallz]

Yeah, I don't really think I was grouping you in with republicans in general.  I was mostly talking about all people that are planning on voting Romney and asserting those people would vote for whoever is on the republican ticket.  The republicans I know that talk about Ron Paul being crazy also think all people that wear magic underwear and believe missouri is the holy land are crazy - but they're going to vote for Romney anyway.


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[steve dave]

magic underwear is no more strange than most christian beliefs.

[kstatefreak42]

SYS, all the more reason to abolish all political parties.

[Cartierfor3]

magic underwear is no more strange than most christian beliefs.

I'm curious about this one steve dave.  not trying to flame. 

in reference to CK you said:

I don't think they are crazy, people believe different things all over the world. I support them.

[HeinBallz]

magic underwear is no more strange than most christian beliefs.

agree entirely - I never said the average republican isn't a raging hypocrite.

[HeinBallz]

magic underwear is no more strange than most christian beliefs.

I'm curious about this one steve dave.  not trying to flame. 

in reference to CK you said:

I don't think they are crazy, people believe different things all over the world. I support them.

Virgin births - burning bushes - noah's ark with all animals on it - etc.


actually here's, IMO, a rational athiest perspective

[steve dave]

magic underwear is no more strange than most christian beliefs.

I'm curious about this one steve dave.  not trying to flame. 

in reference to CK you said:

I don't think they are crazy, people believe different things all over the world. I support them.

yes, my statements are 100% supportive of each other. which part confuses you?

[Dugout DickStone]

So it's not crazy to believe in strange things?

[steve dave]

So it's not crazy to believe in strange things?

no, everyone believes strange things all over the world. is everyone who has religion crazy? I don't think so.

[HeinBallz]

But everyone here knows that's not a very typical mindset.  A lot of staunch evangelical Christians think Mormons are crazy, Jews are evil & Muslims want to kill you.

Watch the video of I posted of Penn Gillette to the end - I'm assuming that's what SD is saying.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

So it's not crazy to believe in strange things?

"Strange" is a completely subjective concept.

[Stevesie60]

You could call an atheist's beliefs strange, too. By thinking The Big Bang theory is how the universe was created they are saying that the 1st physical law of motion isn't true. Pretty strange, no?

[Cartierfor3]

So it's not crazy to believe in strange things?

no, everyone believes strange things all over the world. is everyone who has religion crazy? I don't think so.

This helps me understand your stance.  Thanks SD

[HeinBallz]

You could call an atheist's beliefs strange, too. By thinking The Big Bang theory is how the universe was created they are saying that the 1st physical law of motion isn't true. Pretty strange, no?

Atheism is as foolish as any other belief; believing nothing is a belief.  I would say agnosticism is the most intellectually rational decision - To admit we don't know is probably the wisest claim that could me made. However, Religion is based on faith, not wisdom. Faith can be based on what serves humanity best.  It's up to you what you think is more relevant when leading a country - wisdom or faith.