What would it take for you to be cool with

[MakeItRain]

Sean, HCIW

I think 2 dr. Peps with a top 25 cruit class or 1 MNC

Two more seasons and you can drop the M.  If we win a national championship I wouldn't give a crap if Stan Parrish came back as the next head coach after OBz

[DQ12]

Well, except for the fact that this has been tried before and it pretty much never works out under the conditions in place here.

A lot of things have been tried before that sometimes don't work but sometimes work spectacularly.

FWIW, this is the first time I've ever actually entertained the idea.

[p1k3]

I'm not married to this post.  BUT

Now that we've established that we (myself included) were all pretty dumb for ever doubting Snyder, and it's established that the man is literally one of the best coaches in the history of college football, why not have some one who he's been grooming, who he wants to be the next coach? 

We were all very gungho about having Gottleib even though he didn't have any experience. 

It's definitely a risk and Sean is definitely unproven, but I bet few, if any, people on Earth have learned more football from Bill than Sean. 

What's the worst that could happen?  We toss him to the curb after three years, just like we would've Gottleib. 

What's the best that could happen?:  he's Bill reincarnate. 

Seems like it's maybe a risk worth taking if you ask me.

Was just about to say something like this. goEMAW was completely wrong about Snyder, as shown by last year. Egos were crushed, but we all loved it. Risky move with a lot of upside. It's something we should consider but not necessarily do.

Well, except for the fact that this has been tried before and it pretty much never works out under the conditions in place here.

This is true as well

[scottwildcat]

For every Dr. Pepper from this point forward = .667 of a season of dgaf
For every BCS Bowl game win from this point forward = .667 of a season dgaf
a Natty = 4 years of dgaf and lots of 

seeing that none of that is going to happen #teamburnitdown

[kim carnes]

Currie would never hire him

[Rage Against the McKee]

Currie would never hire him

Bill might be here longer than Currie. Also, we've all seen who Currie would hire, and that was worse than hiring Sean would be.

[MakeItRain]

I'm not married to this post.  BUT

Now that we've established that we (myself included) were all pretty dumb for ever doubting Snyder, and it's established that the man is literally one of the best coaches in the history of college football, why not have some one who he's been grooming, who he wants to be the next coach? 

We were all very gungho about having Gottleib even though he didn't have any experience. 

It's definitely a risk and Sean is definitely unproven, but I bet few, if any, people on Earth have learned more football from Bill than Sean. 

What's the worst that could happen?  We toss him to the curb after three years, just like we would've Gottleib. 

What's the best that could happen?:  he's Bill reincarnate. 

Seems like it's maybe a risk worth taking if you ask me.

Was just about to say something like this. goEMAW was completely wrong about Snyder, as shown by last year. Egos were crushed, but we all loved it. Risky move with a lot of upside. It's something we should consider but not necessarily do.

Well, except for the fact that this has been tried before and it pretty much never works out under the conditions in place here.

This is true as well

very different

Basketball the right coach is the coach that brings in the best players, the system/program/culture isn't nearly as important in football.  Football is much more of a chess game.  Gottleib was more of an acceptable risk because although he was inexperienced, it seems like he could have the tools needed to be a good basketball coach.  Same with Frank, his HC experience was quite limited but he seemed to have the proper tools to be a successful head coach.  Being am elite football head coach seems like it is much more involved than being an elite basketball coach.

[kim carnes]

Currie would never hire him

Bill might be here longer than Currie. Also, we've all seen who Currie would hire, and that was worse than hiring Sean would be.

Lets say he is here and he hires Sean.  Then lets say Sean completely bombs as a head coach.  Currie is probably never getting a better job.

[DQ12]

very different

Basketball the right coach is the coach that brings in the best players, the system/program/culture isn't nearly as important in football.  Football is much more of a chess game.  Gottleib was more of an acceptable risk because although he was inexperienced, it seems like he could have the tools needed to be a good basketball coach.  Same with Frank, his HC experience was quite limited but he seemed to have the proper tools to be a successful head coach.  Being am elite football head coach seems like it is much more involved than being an elite basketball coach.

Yeah, you're probably right.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Currie would never hire him

Bill might be here longer than Currie. Also, we've all seen who Currie would hire, and that was worse than hiring Sean would be.

Lets say he is here and he hires Sean.  Then lets say Sean completely bombs as a head coach.  Currie is probably never getting a better job.

I agree that Currie is never hiring Sean.

[Kat Kid]

Well, except for the fact that this has been tried before and it pretty much never works out under the conditions in place here.

A lot of things have been tried before that sometimes don't work but sometimes work spectacularly.

FWIW, this is the first time I've ever actually entertained the idea.

No, dlew.  Things that are shown to not work, tend to not work.

Let's go through some coaching nepotism case studies.  Think critically, which of these profiles inspires confidence from you in the ability of the son to do some coaching?:

Basketball-

Eddie Sutton/Sean Sutton
Son's previous HC None
Non Nepotistic Experience 1 year assistant @ Mississippi

Bobby Knight/Pat Knight
Son's previous HC 1998 Wisconsin Blast/Columbus Cagerz (IBA)
Non Nepotistic Experience none other than above

Football

Bobby Bowden/Terry Bowden (never took over FSU program)
Son's previous HC Salem, Samford, Auburn (rough equivalent program to FSU), N. Alabama, Akron (current)
Non Nepotistic Experience extensive

NFL
Mike Shanahan
Son's previous HC none
Non Nepotistic Experience UCLA (GA), Tampa Bay (quality control), Houston Texans (WR coach, QB coach, OC)

[DQ12]

I ALREADY TOLD MIR THAT HE WAS PROBABLY RIGHT.  SHEESH.

[Kat Kid]

I ALREADY TOLD MIR THAT HE WAS PROBABLY RIGHT.  SHEESH.

7 posts had been posted!  Mine took time!

[Rage Against the McKee]

Old ass football coaches who come out of retirement to try and lead a team were proven failures as well until last season happened. I don't want Sean, but if Bill wins a national championship, I'm cool with him naming his replacement.

[Panjandrum]

Currie would never hire him

Bill might be here longer than Currie. Also, we've all seen who Currie would hire, and that was worse than hiring Sean would be.

Lets say he is here and he hires Sean.  Then lets say Sean completely bombs as a head coach.  Currie is probably never getting a better job.

I agree that Currie is never hiring Sean.

Currie isn't hiring Sean, but Bill isn't going anywhere until Tate is graduating.

My guess is that if Bill can't get Sean hired, and I don't think any self-respecting AD would even entertain the thought, he'll push for Dimel to get the gig so his guys can stay at KSU.

I think most folks could stomach that.  As long as the foundation is in place, I think we could tolerate the KSU version of Frank Solich (with similar results on a sliding scale).

[Panjandrum]

Old ass football coaches who come out of retirement to try and lead a team were proven failures as well until last season happened. I don't want Sean, but if Bill wins a national championship, I'm cool with him naming his replacement.

Didn't that guy at Nevada do it?  They did alright.

And, yeah, if Bill wins a Natty, he can name that Cotton Bowl windbreaker HCIW for all I care.

[Kat Kid]

Currie would never hire him

Bill might be here longer than Currie. Also, we've all seen who Currie would hire, and that was worse than hiring Sean would be.

Lets say he is here and he hires Sean.  Then lets say Sean completely bombs as a head coach.  Currie is probably never getting a better job.

I agree that Currie is never hiring Sean.

Currie isn't hiring Sean, but Bill isn't going anywhere until Tate is graduating.

My guess is that if Bill can't get Sean hired, and I don't think any self-respecting AD would even entertain the thought, he'll push for Dimel to get the gig so his guys can stay at KSU.

I think most folks could stomach that.  As long as the foundation is in place, I think we could tolerate the KSU version of Frank Solich (with similar results on a sliding scale).

I would prefer the Frank Solich version of Frank Solich.  Call me crazy.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Old ass football coaches who come out of retirement to try and lead a team were proven failures as well until last season happened. I don't want Sean, but if Bill wins a national championship, I'm cool with him naming his replacement.

Didn't that guy at Nevada do it?  They did alright.

And, yeah, if Bill wins a Natty, he can name that Cotton Bowl windbreaker HCIW for all I care.

I honestly have no idea who coaches at Nevada. I was thinking of Bill Walsh and Lou Holtz.

[MakeItRain]

Old ass football coaches who come out of retirement to try and lead a team were proven failures as well until last season happened. I don't want Sean, but if Bill wins a national championship, I'm cool with him naming his replacement.

Didn't that guy at Nevada do it?  They did alright.

And, yeah, if Bill wins a Natty, he can name that Cotton Bowl windbreaker HCIW for all I care.

I honestly have no idea who coaches at Nevada. I was thinking of Bill Walsh and Lou Holtz.

Chris Ault

[WildcatPower]

Old ass football coaches who come out of retirement to try and lead a team were proven failures as well until last season happened. I don't want Sean, but if Bill wins a national championship, I'm cool with him naming his replacement.

Didn't that guy at Nevada do it?  They did alright.

And, yeah, if Bill wins a Natty, he can name that Cotton Bowl windbreaker HCIW for all I care.

I honestly have no idea who coaches at Nevada. I was thinking of Bill Walsh and Lou Holtz.

Chris Ault

Bingo. Hall of Famer too as well. Ault has spent all but eight years of his adult life at Nevada as a player, coach or administrator. He was also the creator of the "Pistol" offense as well.

[wetwillie]

No amount of winning could ever make it right.  I'm ashamed anyone could say otherwise.

[Stevesie60]

Dimel gets a head coaching job somewhere. Sean becomes the OC for the next 3 years (because Bill ain't retiring when Tate graduates, he's retiring when Sams graduates). If we win a NC during those 3 years (this year won't count, because Sean has to be OC during it) then we give him a go.

[p1k3]

very different

Basketball the right coach is the coach that brings in the best players, the system/program/culture isn't nearly as important in football.  Football is much more of a chess game.  Gottleib was more of an acceptable risk because although he was inexperienced, it seems like he could have the tools needed to be a good basketball coach.  Same with Frank, his HC experience was quite limited but he seemed to have the proper tools to be a successful head coach.  Being am elite football head coach seems like it is much more involved than being an elite basketball coach.

Yeah, you're probably right.

Agree. Probably right on this point,  but I was more alluding to what Kat Kid was saying above I just didn't feel like looking it up.


What happens after Bill is something that will be debated until it happens.

[nicname]

I don't think that Sean would be very good, but to be honest if we won a MNC or two Dr. Ps I would gladly endure 3 years of crap football. Hell, I would show up at games, watch us get our asses kicked and look at that MNC banner/ paint and grin from ear to ear.

[8manpick]

Hang on, KK listed zero college football coaches who took over for their father based on nepotism. We all know it ended poorly for the alcoholic Sutton's and the Knights, but has it ever happened in college football?