Play calling (still vanilla?)

[SwiftCat]

I'm re watching the game thank to Trim putting his DVR'd version on youtube.

The biggest thing I've noticed so far is very little zone reads/stretch reads. Klein definitely had more QB draws this week and I think that will be a trend. I think overall the play calls were much better this week. It just felt like we were doing things that this team will do to win ball games. Where as last week it definitely felt like they were testing the waters and seeing what's there to be played with.

I don't have much of an eye for formations/sets. For those that do, how much did the coaches play around with this?

[kso_FAN]

I don't have much of an eye for formations/sets. For those that do, how much did the coaches play around with this?

We use more formations and personnel groups that most other teams in the country.

[slobber]

After BC ran the option all over Miami the previous week, I figured LHC Bill Snyder would run options (zone reads) all over the place on Saturday. LHC Bill Snyder out schemed me. I don't think we ran more than two zone reads. I can't wait to see if _Fan talks about that.

[8manpick]

Seems like we've only run about 5 different plays / route combinations, but run them out of 25 different formations and personnel groups.

[Stevesie60]

Seems like we've only run about 5 different plays / route combinations, but run them out of 25 different formations and personnel groups.

Cards, meet chest.

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

I'm re watching the game thank to Trim putting his DVR'd version on youtube.

The biggest thing I've noticed so far is very little zone reads/stretch reads. Klein definitely had more QB draws this week and I think that will be a trend. I think overall the play calls were much better this week. It just felt like we were doing things that this team will do to win ball games. Where as last week it definitely felt like they were testing the waters and seeing what's there to be played with.

I don't have much of an eye for formations/sets. For those that do, how much did the coaches play around with this?

I think he laid off the zone reads because of the Miami speed, which I didn't really see much of TBH.

[kso_FAN]

8manpick is on track. I haven't rewatched the game yet, but the majority of our running game was some version of power football; pulling backside offensive linemen and/or using a FB/RB to get an extra blocker. We did it from a variety of formations with different personnel. We had everything from 5 wide to 1 wide, double tight. We didn't use nearly as much option schemes as we did last year, but Miami didn't have an answer.

[ben ji]

I'm a big fan of the 5 wide qb draw play.

[GoodForAnother]

I'm a big fan of the 5 wide qb draw play.

yep.  gets me really excited.  I always say "oh man we're gonna run it!" like a huge know it all.

[bubbles4ksu]

I'm a big fan of the 5 wide qb draw play.

we could have passed out of that formation all day. at one point the miami personnel was so screwed up that they had a dude with a number in the 50s lined up like a safety playing halves.

[Cartierfor3]

Seems like there's still tons of things we haven't even had to touch, especially in the passing game.  Really curious how we'll call the game in Norman. 

[Pete]

I'm a big fan of the 5 wide qb draw play.

yep.  gets me really excited.  I always say "oh man we're gonna run it!" like a huge know it all.

I DO THAT TOO!

[EMAW4life-JHL]

i think snyder will call whatever type of plays it takes to win games. we may run 100 zone reads one game, and 1 the next game. he's so schemey.
klein was perfect against Miami except for taht "play" which will never be called again.

[wetwillie]

i think snyder will call whatever type of plays it takes to win games. we may run 100 zone reads one game, and 1 the next game. he's so schemey.
klein was perfect against Miami except for taht "play" which will never be called again.

It most certainly will you dumbshit

[g2brg]

How will Snyder use Sams?  Wildcat?

 

[slobber]

How will Snyder use Sams?  Wildcat?

 

My guess is as the #2 QB. At OU is a different story if we are struggling to move the ball. I don't think he will trot him out their on the first or second series against OU, but if we struggle to move the ball, regardless of the score, Snyder will try to breath some #life into the game.

[bubbles4ksu]

How will Snyder use Sams?  Wildcat?

 

My guess is as the #2 QB. At OU is a different story if we are struggling to move the ball. I don't think he will trot him out their on the first or second series against OU, but if we struggle to move the ball, regardless of the score, Snyder will try to breath some #life into the game.

I don't think Sams will ever be used in a "CK isn't doing it for us" situation. Much more likely to see him after a timeout or for the first drive after halftime as a way to surprise, imho.

[bubbles4ksu]

i think snyder will call whatever type of plays it takes to win games. we may run 100 zone reads one game, and 1 the next game. he's so schemey.
klein was perfect against Miami except for taht "play" which will never be called again.

It most certainly will you dumbshit

 

[Katpappy]

How will Snyder use Sams?  Wildcat?

 

My guess is as the #2 QB. At OU is a different story if we are struggling to move the ball. I don't think he will trot him out their on the first or second series against OU, but if we struggle to move the ball, regardless of the score, Snyder will try to breath some #life into the game.

Wow Dobber, great idea for t-shirt: "go.EMAW is like a breath of #Life"

[slobber]

How will Snyder use Sams?  Wildcat?

 

My guess is as the #2 QB. At OU is a different story if we are struggling to move the ball. I don't think he will trot him out their on the first or second series against OU, but if we struggle to move the ball, regardless of the score, Snyder will try to breath some #life into the game.

I don't think Sams will ever be used in a "CK isn't doing it for us" situation. Much more likely to see him after a timeout or for the first drive after halftime as a way to surprise, imho.

I don't think Sams will come in and Collin will take a seat. It will undoubtedly be a Wildcat formation or something to add another wrinkle to what Snyder is trying to accomplish at the time.

[J]

i think snyder will call whatever type of plays it takes to win games. we may run 100 zone reads one game, and 1 the next game. he's so schemey.
klein was perfect against Miami except for taht "play" which will never be called again.

It most certainly will you dumbshit

 

That play was intentionally mumped up so that when we run it against OU 800 times, and score on 700 of them, OU will be flipping their noggins.

[bubbles4ksu]

i think snyder will call whatever type of plays it takes to win games. we may run 100 zone reads one game, and 1 the next game. he's so schemey.
klein was perfect against Miami except for taht "play" which will never be called again.

It most certainly will you dumbshit

That play was intentionally mumped up so that when we run it against OU 800 times, and score on 700 of them, OU will be flipping their noggins.

Did we eff up "The Play" on purpose so that it could be used more effectively in the games to come?

nope

[kso_FAN]

In re-watching the first half a couple things stand out concerning some things we did to abuse Miami's defense.

1st, the offensive play-calling has much more trust in the offensive line this season. One of the reasons to run option football is that at times you can hide poor offensive line play because you are releasing an offensive lineman (particularly your tackles) to the 2nd level and reading the defensive end. When your offensive linemen can sustain blocks, you can move away from option and run more power/lead running game, which is exacly what we did Saturday vs Miami. In the first half alone I counted 18 run plays that were lead or power (pulling backside oline) lead plays. Only 4 run plays were option, with 3 being speed option near the goal-line and one zone read.

2nd, we completely confused the Miami defense with formations and personnel. In the first half we ran at least 15 different formations (I say "at least" because sometimes we run essentially the same formation, but change the backfield ie. under center in the I formation or shotgun pistol or shotgun single wing look). 11 times we had 2 TEs. 7 of our double TE sets had 1 RB. 4 had 2 RBs. 4 times we had no TEs and 4 WRs. 6 times we had 3 WRs and 2 RBs with no TEs. 11 times we used motion, motioning the FB 3 of those times. Once we shifted from one formation to a completely different formation while shifting the FB to the TE spot.

It was a showcase of the Scheme Doctor at work.

[0.42]

In re-watching the first half a couple things stand out concerning some things we did to abuse Miami's defense.

1st, the offensive play-calling has much more trust in the offensive line this season. One of the reasons to run option football is that at times you can hide poor offensive line play because you are releasing an offensive lineman (particularly your tackles) to the 2nd level and reading the defensive end. When your offensive linemen can sustain blocks, you can move away from option and run more power/lead running game, which is exacly what we did Saturday vs Miami. In the first half alone I counted 18 run plays that were lead or power (pulling backside oline) lead plays. Only 4 run plays were option, with 3 being speed option near the goal-line and one zone read.

2nd, we completely confused the Miami defense with formations and personnel. In the first half we ran at least 15 different formations (I say "at least" because sometimes we run essentially the same formation, but change the backfield ie. under center in the I formation or shotgun pistol or shotgun single wing look). 11 times we had 2 TEs. 7 of our double TE sets had 1 RB. 4 had 2 RBs. 4 times we had no TEs and 4 WRs. 6 times we had 3 WRs and 2 RBs with no TEs. 11 times we used motion, motioning the FB 3 of those times. Once we shifted from one formation to a completely different formation while shifting the FB to the TE spot.

It was a showcase of the Scheme Doctor at work.

 

[MadCat]

Miami DC:   Well, what've you got?
Scheme Doctor:   Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam; spam bacon sausage and spam; spam egg spam spam bacon and spam; spam sausage spam spam bacon spam tomato and spam; spam spam spam egg and spam; spam spam spam spam spam spam baked beans spam spam spam; or Lobster Thermidor a Crevette with a mornay sauce served in a Provencale manner with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pate, brandy and with a fried egg on top and spam.
Miami DC:   Have you got anything without spam?
Scheme Doctor:   Well, there's the Option of Liberty and spam, that's not got much spam in it.