OFFICIAL WELCOME MARCUS FOSTER THREAD

[Dr Rick Daris]

So I'm glad we got Marcus Foster, based off everything I've read and seen about him, I think his game is pretty similar to Marcus Denmon's, I hope Foster can produce at the same level for KSU that Denmon was able to for Missouri.

I think this commit gives us so momentum to finish off the rest of this class, which will not be a Top 25 national class, but could feature some very solid pieces for a very competitive team down the road.

If you're worried about Iowa St. passing us, that should have happened when they were able to bring in Royce White, Chris Allen, Anthony Booker, and Korie Lucious. Some may have considered bringing in all those transfers a risk, but guess what, all those guys can play and they proved it last year(Lucious will get his shot this year), grats to Hoiberg for not getting in their way. They've also done a good job bringing in 4* Georges Niang and 3* Sherron Dorsey-Walker in last year's class.

Even before Frank left, they were going to finish ahead of us in the rankings for the Class of '12. They're probably going to finish ahead of us for '13, it's not the end of the world.

Their latest commit, 6'8" PF Richard Armadi, is an NR JC kid who'll have 1 yr of eligibility in 13-14. It sounds like he might be under the radar but I don't think he's going to strike fear in the hearts of other frontlines in the Big 12.

Iowa St was good last year(they beat us twice, finished ahead of us in league), they're probably going to be good into the near future at least. Hoiberg has done a very good rebuilding their program but it's not like it's just coming out of nowhere. It's also not like they're some insurmountable juggernaut that we won't have any ability to compete with. In several instances, we're competing for the same talent(Vitto Brown and Hassan Martin). Embrace the challenge of competing with them.

that would be great if marcus (ours) can be as good as marcus (theirs). sorry for picking the wrong point in time to be bothered by the fact that iowa state appears to be recruiting much better than we are and adding more talent to their program than we are.

[Mixed-Nutz]

So I'm glad we got Marcus Foster, based off everything I've read and seen about him, I think his game is pretty similar to Marcus Denmon's, I hope Foster can produce at the same level for KSU that Denmon was able to for Missouri.

I think this commit gives us so momentum to finish off the rest of this class, which will not be a Top 25 national class, but could feature some very solid pieces for a very competitive team down the road.

If you're worried about Iowa St. passing us, that should have happened when they were able to bring in Royce White, Chris Allen, Anthony Booker, and Korie Lucious. Some may have considered bringing in all those transfers a risk, but guess what, all those guys can play and they proved it last year(Lucious will get his shot this year), grats to Hoiberg for not getting in their way. They've also done a good job bringing in 4* Georges Niang and 3* Sherron Dorsey-Walker in last year's class.

Even before Frank left, they were going to finish ahead of us in the rankings for the Class of '12. They're probably going to finish ahead of us for '13, it's not the end of the world.

Their latest commit, 6'8" PF Richard Armadi, is an NR JC kid who'll have 1 yr of eligibility in 13-14. It sounds like he might be under the radar but I don't think he's going to strike fear in the hearts of other frontlines in the Big 12.

Iowa St was good last year(they beat us twice, finished ahead of us in league), they're probably going to be good into the near future at least. Hoiberg has done a very good rebuilding their program but it's not like it's just coming out of nowhere. It's also not like they're some insurmountable juggernaut that we won't have any ability to compete with. In several instances, we're competing for the same talent(Vitto Brown and Hassan Martin). Embrace the challenge of competing with them.

that would be great if marcus (ours) can be as good as marcus (theirs). sorry for picking the wrong point in time to be bothered by the fact that iowa state appears to be recruiting much better than we are and adding more talent to their program than we are.

Hoiberg is to focused on recruiting shooters, players like him, they had the baddest matchup problem in the country last year, White, and were only a good team not a great team. A lack of getting to the rack, being physical will do them in. Also, haven't seen good point guard play from a Hoiberg team, runs way to many NBA sets.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I'm pretty excited about Marcus Foster.

[Belvis Noland]

i guess i'm just annoyed that yet another thread (that had up until this point been entirely about marcus and college basketball recruiting) got turned into weber/currie/burnitdown/etc. discussion.

but hey, that's just me. maybe you guys aren't done discussing all that quite yet.

Agreed.  I think the thread kind of turned on this gem...

"iowa state has two in the top 80. was fun while it lasted i guess."

[Underdog Wildcat]

So I'm glad we got Marcus Foster, based off everything I've read and seen about him, I think his game is pretty similar to Marcus Denmon's, I hope Foster can produce at the same level for KSU that Denmon was able to for Missouri.

I think this commit gives us so momentum to finish off the rest of this class, which will not be a Top 25 national class, but could feature some very solid pieces for a very competitive team down the road.

If you're worried about Iowa St. passing us, that should have happened when they were able to bring in Royce White, Chris Allen, Anthony Booker, and Korie Lucious. Some may have considered bringing in all those transfers a risk, but guess what, all those guys can play and they proved it last year(Lucious will get his shot this year), grats to Hoiberg for not getting in their way. They've also done a good job bringing in 4* Georges Niang and 3* Sherron Dorsey-Walker in last year's class.

Even before Frank left, they were going to finish ahead of us in the rankings for the Class of '12. They're probably going to finish ahead of us for '13, it's not the end of the world.

Their latest commit, 6'8" PF Richard Armadi, is an NR JC kid who'll have 1 yr of eligibility in 13-14. It sounds like he might be under the radar but I don't think he's going to strike fear in the hearts of other frontlines in the Big 12.

Iowa St was good last year(they beat us twice, finished ahead of us in league), they're probably going to be good into the near future at least. Hoiberg has done a very good rebuilding their program but it's not like it's just coming out of nowhere. It's also not like they're some insurmountable juggernaut that we won't have any ability to compete with. In several instances, we're competing for the same talent(Vitto Brown and Hassan Martin). Embrace the challenge of competing with them.

sorry for picking the wrong point in time to be bothered by the fact that iowa state appears to be recruiting much better than we are and adding more talent to their program than we are.

You mean just like they have the past couple years?

[Belvis Noland]

You mean just like they have the past couple years?

Yeah, aside from Beasley, Walker, and Judge, Foster is every bit as good, if not better, than any commit in the Huggs/Frank era.  Frank had some nice transfers (Denis).  But, in terms of highschool prospects, I believe Gip was probably one of the highest rated players Frank ever brought in.   

[Dr Rick Daris]

So I'm glad we got Marcus Foster, based off everything I've read and seen about him, I think his game is pretty similar to Marcus Denmon's, I hope Foster can produce at the same level for KSU that Denmon was able to for Missouri.

I think this commit gives us so momentum to finish off the rest of this class, which will not be a Top 25 national class, but could feature some very solid pieces for a very competitive team down the road.

If you're worried about Iowa St. passing us, that should have happened when they were able to bring in Royce White, Chris Allen, Anthony Booker, and Korie Lucious. Some may have considered bringing in all those transfers a risk, but guess what, all those guys can play and they proved it last year(Lucious will get his shot this year), grats to Hoiberg for not getting in their way. They've also done a good job bringing in 4* Georges Niang and 3* Sherron Dorsey-Walker in last year's class.

Even before Frank left, they were going to finish ahead of us in the rankings for the Class of '12. They're probably going to finish ahead of us for '13, it's not the end of the world.

Their latest commit, 6'8" PF Richard Armadi, is an NR JC kid who'll have 1 yr of eligibility in 13-14. It sounds like he might be under the radar but I don't think he's going to strike fear in the hearts of other frontlines in the Big 12.

Iowa St was good last year(they beat us twice, finished ahead of us in league), they're probably going to be good into the near future at least. Hoiberg has done a very good rebuilding their program but it's not like it's just coming out of nowhere. It's also not like they're some insurmountable juggernaut that we won't have any ability to compete with. In several instances, we're competing for the same talent(Vitto Brown and Hassan Martin). Embrace the challenge of competing with them.

sorry for picking the wrong point in time to be bothered by the fact that iowa state appears to be recruiting much better than we are and adding more talent to their program than we are.

You mean just like they have the past couple years?

yes. iowa state did not really concern me that much at first because most of the incoming talent appeared to be transfers, which i did not feel was sustainable and as such did not worry much about it. the current and very recent highschool recruiting however does concern me because it seems like a pattern is developing.

[Underdog Wildcat]

So I'm glad we got Marcus Foster, based off everything I've read and seen about him, I think his game is pretty similar to Marcus Denmon's, I hope Foster can produce at the same level for KSU that Denmon was able to for Missouri.

I think this commit gives us so momentum to finish off the rest of this class, which will not be a Top 25 national class, but could feature some very solid pieces for a very competitive team down the road.

If you're worried about Iowa St. passing us, that should have happened when they were able to bring in Royce White, Chris Allen, Anthony Booker, and Korie Lucious. Some may have considered bringing in all those transfers a risk, but guess what, all those guys can play and they proved it last year(Lucious will get his shot this year), grats to Hoiberg for not getting in their way. They've also done a good job bringing in 4* Georges Niang and 3* Sherron Dorsey-Walker in last year's class.

Even before Frank left, they were going to finish ahead of us in the rankings for the Class of '12. They're probably going to finish ahead of us for '13, it's not the end of the world.

Their latest commit, 6'8" PF Richard Armadi, is an NR JC kid who'll have 1 yr of eligibility in 13-14. It sounds like he might be under the radar but I don't think he's going to strike fear in the hearts of other frontlines in the Big 12.

Iowa St was good last year(they beat us twice, finished ahead of us in league), they're probably going to be good into the near future at least. Hoiberg has done a very good rebuilding their program but it's not like it's just coming out of nowhere. It's also not like they're some insurmountable juggernaut that we won't have any ability to compete with. In several instances, we're competing for the same talent(Vitto Brown and Hassan Martin). Embrace the challenge of competing with them.

sorry for picking the wrong point in time to be bothered by the fact that iowa state appears to be recruiting much better than we are and adding more talent to their program than we are.

You mean just like they have the past couple years?

yes. iowa state did not really concern me that much at first because most of the incoming talent appeared to be transfers, which i did not feel was sustainable and as such did not worry much about it. the current and very recent highschool recruiting however does concern me because it seems like a pattern is developing.

Right, but that doesn't mean "it's over" for KSU by any means.

Landing Foster is a big step in the right direction.

[Underdog Wildcat]

You mean just like they have the past couple years?

Yeah, aside from Beasley, Walker, and Judge, Foster is every bit as good, if not better, than any commit in the Huggs/Frank era.  Frank had some nice transfers (Denis).  But, in terms of highschool prospects, I believe Gip was probably one of the highest rated players Frank ever brought in.   

Gip and Diaz were ranked in the 140s according to Rivals.

McGruder was a pretty damn solid 4* recruit. Watching the DCA play in Manhattan a couple years back, it wouldn't have been out of the question to think McGruder was the better prospect than Judge, at least the safer bet to succeed. McGruder won FL POY in their HS classification during their  SR yr.

At the same stage of their careers, McGruder > Foster. But I'm still on high on Foster and think he can develop into a very solid if not all-conference type player by the time he's done at KSU.

[steve dave]

I feel good that it was AB3 landing this kid. He was kind of the unknown in the staff.

[michigancat]

You mean just like they have the past couple years?

Yeah, aside from Beasley, Walker, and Judge, Foster is every bit as good, if not better, than any commit in the Huggs/Frank era.  Frank had some nice transfers (Denis).  But, in terms of highschool prospects, I believe Gip was probably one of the highest rated players Frank ever brought in.   

Gip and Diaz were ranked in the 140s according to Rivals.

Don't forget about Shane and Nino and Nick Russell (all top 150). I'm sure Foster is better than all of them by quite a bit, but still.

[Underdog Wildcat]

You mean just like they have the past couple years?

Yeah, aside from Beasley, Walker, and Judge, Foster is every bit as good, if not better, than any commit in the Huggs/Frank era.  Frank had some nice transfers (Denis).  But, in terms of highschool prospects, I believe Gip was probably one of the highest rated players Frank ever brought in.   

Gip and Diaz were ranked in the 140s according to Rivals.

Don't forget about Shane and Nino and Nick Russell (all top 150). I'm sure Foster is better than all of them by quite a bit, but still.

Hey, thanks for the reminder mc, I'm glad you still care. 

[Mixed-Nutz]

You mean just like they have the past couple years?

Yeah, aside from Beasley, Walker, and Judge, Foster is every bit as good, if not better, than any commit in the Huggs/Frank era.  Frank had some nice transfers (Denis).  But, in terms of highschool prospects, I believe Gip was probably one of the highest rated players Frank ever brought in.   

Gip and Diaz were ranked in the 140s according to Rivals.

McGruder was a pretty damn solid 4* recruit. Watching the DCA play in Manhattan a couple years back, it wouldn't have been out of the question to think McGruder was the better prospect than Judge, at least the safer bet to succeed. McGruder won FL POY in their HS classification during their  SR yr.

At the same stage of their careers, McGruder > Foster. But I'm still on high on Foster and think he can develop into a very solid if not all-conference type player by the time he's done at KSU.

Foster is vastly underrated if he can make a quick and easy transition to a true combo guard, if not he might be correctly rated around the top 150 mark. Also, foster might not be done growing which is as huge bonus.

[KsJoey]

Speaking of size, does anybody know for sure how big Foster really is?  Some places list 6'0" 155lbs, and others 6'2-6'3 185lbs.

[yosh]

You mean just like they have the past couple years?

Yeah, aside from Beasley, Walker, and Judge, Foster is every bit as good, if not better, than any commit in the Huggs/Frank era.  Frank had some nice transfers (Denis).  But, in terms of highschool prospects, I believe Gip was probably one of the highest rated players Frank ever brought in.   

Gip and Diaz were ranked in the 140s according to Rivals.

Don't forget about Shane and Nino and Nick Russell (all top 150). I'm sure Foster is better than all of them by quite a bit, but still.

not to mention sutton & mcgruder.  Also, transfers count.  ( Kelly)

[Mixed-Nutz]

Speaking of size, does anybody know for sure how big Foster really is?  Some places list 6'0" 155lbs, and others 6'2-6'3 185lbs.

6'3 wouldn't be surprised if he makes it to 6'4.

[Underdog Wildcat]

Speaking of size, does anybody know for sure how big Foster really is?  Some places list 6'0" 155lbs, and others 6'2-6'3 185lbs.

That ESPN profile (6'0" 155) is from when they 1st evaluated him back in 2010, they need to update it. Everything recent on Foster has him in the 6'2"-6'3" 185-200 range.

[michigancat]

You mean just like they have the past couple years?

Yeah, aside from Beasley, Walker, and Judge, Foster is every bit as good, if not better, than any commit in the Huggs/Frank era.  Frank had some nice transfers (Denis).  But, in terms of highschool prospects, I believe Gip was probably one of the highest rated players Frank ever brought in.   

Gip and Diaz were ranked in the 140s according to Rivals.

Don't forget about Shane and Nino and Nick Russell (all top 150). I'm sure Foster is better than all of them by quite a bit, but still.

not to mention sutton & mcgruder.  Also, transfers count.  ( Kelly)

so other than clemente, kelly, sutton, mcgruder, nino, diaz, russell, shane, beasley, and walker....Foster will most likely have a higher ranking than every Frank recruit ever signed. Why aren't more people poppin bottles?

[mocat]

RUIII signed right?

[yosh]

You mean just like they have the past couple years?

Yeah, aside from Beasley, Walker, and Judge, Foster is every bit as good, if not better, than any commit in the Huggs/Frank era.  Frank had some nice transfers (Denis).  But, in terms of highschool prospects, I believe Gip was probably one of the highest rated players Frank ever brought in.   

Gip and Diaz were ranked in the 140s according to Rivals.

Don't forget about Shane and Nino and Nick Russell (all top 150). I'm sure Foster is better than all of them by quite a bit, but still.

not to mention sutton & mcgruder.  Also, transfers count.  ( Kelly)

so other than clemente, kelly, sutton, mcgruder, nino, diaz, russell, shane, beasley, and walker....Foster will most likely have a higher ranking than every Frank recruit ever signed. Why aren't more people poppin bottles?

yeah.  I like the Foster commit no doubt, but the revisionist history about the recruits Frank brought in is pointless.  Also,  while the '14 mentions look promising, Webers '12 & '13 recruiting have been abysmal.  Foster as the far and away best looking recruit in 2 classes doesn't speak well.  And there looks to be a huge gaping hole in talent that will rear itself in a couple of years if recruiting doesn't improve in a big rough ridin' hurry.  In short, things are going pretty much how everyone expected.

[Mixed-Nutz]

ESPN RATINGS

2007
Michael Beasley  (1st PF)   98
Jake Pullen   (16th PG)   93
Dom Sutton    POST
Fred Brown  (85th SG)  76
Ron Anderson (179th PF)  71
Andre Gilbert    JC

2008
Jordan Henriquez (16th C) 91
Abdul Herrera   JC
Buchi Awaji JC

2009
Wally Judge  (4th PF) 97
Devon Peterson JC
Jordan Henriquez  POST
Rodney McGruder (33rd SG) 89
Nike Russell (38th SG) 89
Martavious  Irving (72nd SG) 86

2010
Freddy Asprilla  JC
Shane Southwell (21st SF) 92
Nino Williams (35th SF)90
Will Spradling  (55th PG)88
Jeuvol Myles  JC

2011
Adrian Diaz (20th C)  90
Thomas Gipson  (31st PF)  90
Angel Rodriquez (35th PG) 90
Jeremy Jones JC
Omari Lawrence JC
James Watson JC

2012
Micheal Orris (22nd PG) 89
Darrel Johnson (86th PF) 85

2013
Marcus Foster (27th PG) 80
Alex Etherington (112th SF) 64


FRANK
PG = 16, 55, 35
SG = 85, 33, 38, 72
SF = 21, 35
PF = 1, 179, 4, 31
C = 16, 20

oscar
PG = 22, 27
SG =
SF = 112
PF = 86
C =

[Underdog Wildcat]

You mean just like they have the past couple years?

Yeah, aside from Beasley, Walker, and Judge, Foster is every bit as good, if not better, than any commit in the Huggs/Frank era.  Frank had some nice transfers (Denis).  But, in terms of highschool prospects, I believe Gip was probably one of the highest rated players Frank ever brought in.   

Gip and Diaz were ranked in the 140s according to Rivals.

Don't forget about Shane and Nino and Nick Russell (all top 150). I'm sure Foster is better than all of them by quite a bit, but still.

not to mention sutton & mcgruder.  Also, transfers count.  ( Kelly)

so other than clemente, kelly, sutton, mcgruder, nino, diaz, russell, shane, beasley, and walker....Foster will most likely have a higher ranking than every Frank recruit ever signed. Why aren't more people poppin bottles?

yeah.  I like the Foster commit no doubt, but the revisionist history about the recruits Frank brought in is pointless.  Also,  while the '14 mentions look promising, Webers '12 & '13 recruiting have been abysmal.  Foster as the far and away best looking recruit in 2 classes doesn't speak well.  And there looks to be a huge gaping hole in talent that will rear itself in a couple of years if recruiting doesn't improve in a big rough ridin' hurry.  In short, things are going pretty much how everyone expected.

What revisionist history?

The only reference to Frank's recruiting in this thread is that Iowa St. has brought in better talent in the past couple years, meaning classes of 2011-2013.

And no, it hasn't demonstrably been better and no it doesn't mean they have completely surpassed us, but it is what it is.

If KSU is going to be competitive in the upper half of the league in coming years, we're going to have land some higher caliber prospects in future classes. No one is denying that.

Landing Foster, a potential difference maker, at least gives Weber's recruiting some optimism. I'm not going to piss on that.

[pissclams]

people are actually defending frank's recruiting in an effort to disparage oscar's

awesome

[yosh]

You mean just like they have the past couple years?

Yeah, aside from Beasley, Walker, and Judge, Foster is every bit as good, if not better, than any commit in the Huggs/Frank era.  Frank had some nice transfers (Denis).  But, in terms of highschool prospects, I believe Gip was probably one of the highest rated players Frank ever brought in.   

Gip and Diaz were ranked in the 140s according to Rivals.

Don't forget about Shane and Nino and Nick Russell (all top 150). I'm sure Foster is better than all of them by quite a bit, but still.

not to mention sutton & mcgruder.  Also, transfers count.  ( Kelly)

so other than clemente, kelly, sutton, mcgruder, nino, diaz, russell, shane, beasley, and walker....Foster will most likely have a higher ranking than every Frank recruit ever signed. Why aren't more people poppin bottles?

yeah.  I like the Foster commit no doubt, but the revisionist history about the recruits Frank brought in is pointless.  Also,  while the '14 mentions look promising, Webers '12 & '13 recruiting have been abysmal.  Foster as the far and away best looking recruit in 2 classes doesn't speak well.  And there looks to be a huge gaping hole in talent that will rear itself in a couple of years if recruiting doesn't improve in a big rough ridin' hurry.  In short, things are going pretty much how everyone expected.

What revisionist history?

The only reference to Frank's recruiting in this thread is that Iowa St. has brought in better talent in the past couple years, meaning classes of 2011-2013.

And no, it hasn't demonstrably been better and no it doesn't mean they have completely surpassed us, but it is what it is.

If KSU is going to be competitive in the upper half of the league in coming years, we're going to have land some higher caliber prospects in future classes. No one is denying that.

Landing Foster, a potential difference maker, at least gives Weber's recruiting some optimism. I'm not going to piss on that.

Not talking about the Iowa St stuff.  Just the idea mentioned above that Foster is as good, or better, than any Frank recruit that wasn't a 5-star out of highschool, which just struck me as silly.  Very happy about the Foster commitment, just hopeful that it's an inflection point rather than a relative maximum.  Know what I mean?

   

[kitten_mittons]

people are actually defending frank's recruiting in an effort to disparage oscar's

awesome

Yeah, how sad does that make oscar's?

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