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Re: "The Play"
« Reply #75 on: September 09, 2012, 05:40:10 PM »
our offense does so many cool things and you dumbshits like the play that you can find middle school teams running nationwide every thursday night.

Its not like it was completely away from our scheme, not was it just drawn up in the dirt as you imply.

Is the play hard to execute? Yes, the timing must be nearly perfect. But a tight formation with Harper's motion and then the jump pass look set it up perfectly. It was an innovative play because it was a) designed off of something else we already do well and b) a creative way to attack the edge of a defense. Again, I will accept the critique that it was a very tough play to execute because of the nature of the no look pitch, but I applaud creativity that attacks a known weakness in a defense because we had Miami packed tight by the formation and we had successfully run the jump pass last season. Simply not a poorly designed play unless you believe the execution was impossible and I don't believe that to be the case.

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Re: "The Play"
« Reply #76 on: September 09, 2012, 05:48:26 PM »
Simply not a poorly designed play unless you believe the execution was impossible and I don't believe that to be the case.

It certainly isn't impossible, but from what we've seen, it's pretty hard.  I suppose if we had crane footage from last week we'd know how successful it had been in practice.  What % do you think we had to have hit in practice for them to feel comfortable breaking it out there?

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Re: "The Play"
« Reply #77 on: September 09, 2012, 06:00:10 PM »
Scheme me once, I'm still of the opinion there is a real chance it was botched on purpose. if you thought the call was Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) it means you don't think he can make a behind the back pitch, which is actually Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). It basically sends the message to opposing defenses that we have so many weapons we could literally try anything.
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Re: "The Play"
« Reply #78 on: September 09, 2012, 06:21:13 PM »
Scheme me once, I'm still of the opinion there is a real chance it was botched on purpose. if you thought the call was Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) it means you don't think he can make a behind the back pitch, which is actually Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). It basically sends the message to opposing defenses that we have so many weapons we could literally try anything.
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Re: "The Play"
« Reply #79 on: September 09, 2012, 06:24:38 PM »
Scheme me once, I'm still of the opinion there is a real chance it was botched on purpose. if you thought the call was Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) it means you don't think he can make a behind the back pitch, which is actually Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). It basically sends the message to opposing defenses that we have so many weapons we could literally try anything.
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LOL I actually said this to my friend at the game. All part of the scheme.

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Re: "The Play"
« Reply #80 on: September 09, 2012, 07:19:43 PM »
What do we gain by botching it, that we wouldn't gain from it being successful? Making teams think we'll never do it again, so they don't prep for it? Idgi

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Re: "The Play"
« Reply #81 on: September 09, 2012, 07:28:02 PM »
What do we gain by botching it, that we wouldn't gain from it being successful? Making teams think we'll never do it again, so they don't prep for it? Idgi

idk. I'm not the scheme doctor.

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« Reply #82 on: September 09, 2012, 07:30:37 PM »
It was a good call - miami would have prepped for the jump pass as we effectively used it last yeat against them in a similar down/distance.  My issue was that the play involved CK flipping it to harper, would have liked to seen a reverse hand off or whatever.

Well, a reverse hand off doesn't really work because the whole idea of the play is that ck makes it looks like a jump pass playing by running up to the line of scrimmage and fake jumping in the air. I think this issue really separates the goemawers from the potential future tuckers. Snyds never calls that play in a situation were it could lose or win us the game. Just wanted to give teams something else to think about.

what I meant was, instead of CK "flipping" it backwards, he jumps up but just extends his arm back and lets Harper grab it out of his hand. 

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Re: "The Play"
« Reply #83 on: September 09, 2012, 11:05:53 PM »
It was a good call - miami would have prepped for the jump pass as we effectively used it last yeat against them in a similar down/distance.  My issue was that the play involved CK flipping it to harper, would have liked to seen a reverse hand off or whatever.

Well, a reverse hand off doesn't really work because the whole idea of the play is that ck makes it looks like a jump pass playing by running up to the line of scrimmage and fake jumping in the air. I think this issue really separates the goemawers from the potential future tuckers. Snyds never calls that play in a situation were it could lose or win us the game. Just wanted to give teams something else to think about.

what I meant was, instead of CK "flipping" it backwards, he jumps up but just extends his arm back and lets Harper grab it out of his hand.

I've run some calculations and your idea defies the 2nd law of thermodynamics.  And then there's the center of gravity issues.

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Re: "The Play"
« Reply #84 on: September 10, 2012, 01:30:36 AM »
Okay there were two things that LHOFHCWS did that bothered me a lot more than the option of liberty.

1.  Third quarter.  We were up about 50 bajillion points and Klein runs the ball four straight times without a fullback or tailback and then throws a fade pattern?  Really shitty play calling.
2.  End of third quarter.  Why did we run a play with the play clock off instead of just letting the quarter run out?  Ran an unnecessary extra play the 3rd quarter.

The first thing on this list is similar to the option of liberty, Snyder got really bored and experimental with a big lead.  Klein rushed the ball 7 times in the 3rd quarter.  By comparison Hubert ran it once and Pease only ran it 3 times.  I'd love to know why we thought our QB had to run the ball 7 times in a quarter when the game was very over.

The second thing is something we've seen with Snydes forever and ever.  Dude is completely clueless when it comes to clock management, WITB.

That being said I had a blast,  Also the stadium was loud, I really don't think it would have been louder for a night game, the crowd was awesome.

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"The Play"
« Reply #85 on: September 10, 2012, 07:09:51 AM »
Bubbles, kindly shut the eff up.
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Re: "The Play"
« Reply #86 on: September 10, 2012, 07:14:41 AM »
Bubbles, kindly shut the eff up.

I will. I have nothing more to say to you idiots regarding "The Play."

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"The Play"
« Reply #87 on: September 10, 2012, 07:18:13 AM »
Also, play was definitely not botched on purpose if you go watch Klein's interview about it. Very candid/ashamed LOL about it.

Would love a slow-mo PoetWarrior vid about this though.
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Re: "The Play"
« Reply #88 on: September 10, 2012, 08:42:31 AM »
mods, please auto-correct "the play" to "the option of liberty".

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Re: "The Play"
« Reply #89 on: September 10, 2012, 08:56:05 AM »
mods, please auto-correct "the play" to "the option of liberty".

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Re: "The Play"
« Reply #90 on: September 10, 2012, 09:11:06 AM »
Is "The Play" on Youtube anywhere? I can't find it.

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Re: "The Play"
« Reply #93 on: September 10, 2012, 02:09:17 PM »

I get the feeling that this pic was snapped while these three were talking about the Option of Liberty later in the game.

Or they were discussing how much fun it is to watch #life score TD's.

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Re: "The Play"
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Re: "The Play"
« Reply #95 on: September 10, 2012, 04:07:01 PM »

I get the feeling that this pic was snapped while these three were talking about the Option of Liberty later in the game.

Or they were discussing how much fun it is to watch #life score TD's.
That is such a great effn' picture. Maybe LHC Bill Snyder made a funny married guy sex joke or something.

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Re: "The Play"
« Reply #96 on: September 10, 2012, 04:07:13 PM »
So, the 'Cats did something adventurous with the football, and it didn't work.  It sure sucked the defense deep into the backfield, Harper would have had an easy run down the right sideline had the timing been better.

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Re: "The Play"
« Reply #97 on: September 10, 2012, 04:08:22 PM »
I don't think Wilson is a fan of the play based upon his throwing Harper down at the end.  :lol:

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Re: "The Play"
« Reply #98 on: September 10, 2012, 04:18:10 PM »
Now that I actually watch it closely, it's pretty obvious that Harper wasn't even ready for that pitch coming his way. Hmm...

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Re: "The Play"
« Reply #99 on: September 10, 2012, 04:23:19 PM »
I don't think Wilson Trujillo is a fan of the play based upon his throwing Harper down at the end.  :lol: