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No Sacks, 2 TFL's . . .
« on: September 02, 2012, 07:52:40 AM »
against an FCS opponent who dropped back to pass 51 times, and who rushed another 26 times.

Now, for some of you, try to avoid allowing your inner Wabash from coming out, and explain this.   

I know they had a lot of quick hit passes.   But their starter still averaged 11 yards per completion, and their back up averaged 16.5 yards per completion.   

Their leading rusher averaged 5.8 yards per carry. 

Come on now, I don't care if it was a typical LHC Bill Snyder first game, or we were "vanilla" as some like to claim.   But a 22nd ranked FBS opponent playing at home against a team coached by Terry Allen shouldn't go an entire game with no sacks, and only 2 TFL's, while allowing a starting FCS running back to average nearly 6 yards a carry. 

That's just not very good.






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Re: No Sacks, 2 TFL's . . .
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2012, 08:14:01 AM »
Yep, completely agree. Defense is a huge problem right now. That's what we get for hiring a re-tread like Hayes to run it.

No sacks is just plain embarrassing, especially considering the hope I had for Meshak and Adam.  Then Chapman getting abused through out the game, ugh.

I expect the defense to improve, but not sure how much it really can.


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Re: No Sacks, 2 TFL's . . .
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2012, 08:25:10 AM »
Another game of being completely stone walled up front.


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Re: No Sacks, 2 TFL's . . .
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2012, 08:33:37 AM »
dax, you have to realize we replaced a defensive genius (Billy Cosh's dad) with some old guy. Big shoes to fill, it will probably take a couple games to "click".

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Re: No Sacks, 2 TFL's . . .
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2012, 08:37:24 AM »
I heard that LHCBS talked about the shitty defense in postgame presser. Probably should have thought about the shitty defense 8 months ago when he hired Retread McGee.
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Re: No Sacks, 2 TFL's . . .
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2012, 08:38:18 AM »
Some nights your waitstaff, cooks, and bus boys come together and work as a team, and some nights there's a wait at the door and you have 2 empty, clean tables, 2 empty, dirty tables, and people are complaining about waiting on their food. Our DC knows how to handle these situations. Maybe he can apply his lessons learned from Tanners to a FB defense.  :dunno:
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Re: No Sacks, 2 TFL's . . .
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2012, 08:41:01 AM »
Recruiting.

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No Sacks, 2 TFL's . . .
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2012, 08:46:53 AM »
The defensive line has been and will be the biggest concern for this team.

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Re: No Sacks, 2 TFL's . . .
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2012, 09:06:08 AM »
I agree, but I think the secondary should take a good share of the blame.  3 step drops all day out of the gun and many times there was a man coming into the pocket, but routes were not disrupted, guys ran free after the catch for yards and the tackling was poor.   

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Re: No Sacks, 2 TFL's . . .
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2012, 09:19:13 AM »
We rarely blitzed and of the times we did they only completed a pass once.

It wasn't that bad. Chapman playing 20 yards off his receiver was bad though.

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Re: No Sacks, 2 TFL's . . .
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2012, 09:30:35 AM »
The D-Line is pretty bad, but I'm more concerned with how horrible the secondary appears to be.  Chapman was straight up abused the entire game and in general this is an extremely overmatched unit that is going to get destroyed in Big XII play against legit passing offenses.

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Re: No Sacks, 2 TFL's . . .
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2012, 09:33:36 AM »
The D-Line is pretty bad, but I'm more concerned with how horrible the secondary appears to be.  Chapman was straight up abused the entire game and in general this is an extremely overmatched unit that is going to get destroyed in Big XII play against legit passing offenses.

it should pretty much be the same as last year.  same personnel minus garrett who was average in coverage.

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Re: No Sacks, 2 TFL's . . .
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2012, 09:36:51 AM »
Some nights your waitstaff, cooks, and bus boys come together and work as a team, and some nights there's a wait at the door and you have 2 empty, clean tables, 2 empty, dirty tables, and people are complaining about waiting on their food. Our DC knows how to handle these situations. Maybe he can apply his lessons learned from Tanners to a FB defense.  :dunno:

If the K-State defense was a Tanner's restaurant, what would the secondary be?

GU, fry cook?

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Re: No Sacks, 2 TFL's . . .
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2012, 09:45:51 AM »
d-line has always been a concern for me for this season. no sacks last night is a very bad sign.

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Re: No Sacks, 2 TFL's . . .
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2012, 09:51:32 AM »
I'm going to use the vanilla schemes excuse because we can for this game. Suggest you do the same dax, and try to be happy this week.
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Re: No Sacks, 2 TFL's . . .
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2012, 09:54:40 AM »
I guess the good news is that Miami will find a lot of success running on us, so our secondary might not get abused so badly.

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Re: No Sacks, 2 TFL's . . .
« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2012, 10:22:37 AM »
We rarely blitzed and of the times we did they only completed a pass once.

It wasn't that bad. Chapman playing 20 yards off his receiver was bad though.
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Re: No Sacks, 2 TFL's . . .
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2012, 10:23:18 AM »
i thought ian seau was supposed to be good

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Re: No Sacks, 2 TFL's . . .
« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2012, 12:17:52 PM »
The secondary gets a pass from me on coverage...not on their shitty tackling. I feel like the entire scheme of the defense is the keep the play in front of you, that's why we let teams abuse us over the middle and in the first 20 yards on outside. Seems like a terrible rough ridin' plan to me, but wtf do I know.
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Re: No Sacks, 2 TFL's . . .
« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2012, 12:43:19 PM »
meh. We were saying the exact same thing after Eastern Kentucky. We ended up being ok.

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Re: No Sacks, 2 TFL's . . .
« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2012, 02:20:10 PM »
I heard that LHCBS talked about the shitty defense in postgame presser. Probably should have thought about the shitty defense 8 months ago when he hired Retread McGee.

To be fair, didn't Snyder try to hire Leavitt but Currie vetoed the hire?

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Re: No Sacks, 2 TFL's . . .
« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2012, 02:22:34 PM »
I heard that LHCBS talked about the shitty defense in postgame presser. Probably should have thought about the shitty defense 8 months ago when he hired Retread McGee.

To be fair, didn't Snyder try to hire Leavitt but Currie vetoed the hire?

Unless leavitt had some stud d tackles in tow I'm not sure it would have mattered
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Re: No Sacks, 2 TFL's . . .
« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2012, 02:28:34 PM »
meh. We were saying the exact same thing after Eastern Kentucky. We ended up being ok.

Our defense was very good in last years non-con, Ranked first in the country after the first 2 games.

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Re: No Sacks, 2 TFL's . . .
« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2012, 02:35:07 PM »
:foottappingguy:  Maybe it could be a part of Nancy Negs......


Or are those just for basketball

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Re: No Sacks, 2 TFL's . . .
« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2012, 02:37:43 PM »
:foottappingguy:  Maybe it could be a part of Nancy Negs......


Or are those just for basketball

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