Record Gas Prices . .

[sonofdaxjones]

mitigating factors do not count, they don't count when a none (D) is in the Whitehouse, so they don't count now.

The Barry W. Obama Administration . . . Friend to Big Oil.

http://news.yahoo.com/oil-surges-bernanke-speech-205907391.html

Big Oil -------->

[steve dave]

non

[ednksu]

so if Obama leads the dems to economic policies that lead to the worst depression in a generation Dax will give him credit for low oil prices.  Got it. 

[sonofdaxjones]

Which party took control of Congress in 2006?

Which party had control of Congress and the Whitehouse in 2008?l

Which party still controls the Whitehouse and the Senate in 2010?

Who can forget Nancy Pelosi on the floor of the House in 2006 shrieking about gas prices that were $1 something a gallon.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

so if Obama leads the dems to economic policies that lead to the worst depression in a generation Dax will give him credit for low oil prices.  Got it. 

Exactly which economic policies led to the most recent "depression"?

[ednksu]

so if Obama leads the dems to economic policies that lead to the worst depression in a generation Dax will give him credit for low oil prices.  Got it. 

Exactly which economic policies led to the most recent "depression"?

unquestionably bush
see his tax cuts which are still crippling our economy

[p1k3]

so if Obama leads the dems to economic policies that lead to the worst depression in a generation Dax will give him credit for low oil prices.  Got it. 

Exactly which economic policies led to the most recent "depression"?

unquestionably bush
see his tax cuts which are still crippling our economy

Had nothing to do with low interest rates, free money for banks, easy credit etc?

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

so if Obama leads the dems to economic policies that lead to the worst depression in a generation Dax will give him credit for low oil prices.  Got it. 

Exactly which economic policies led to the most recent "depression"?

unquestionably bush
see his tax cuts which are still crippling our economy

Be serious. I really want to know. I hear tards bitch about "those economic policies" that caused this recession, but invariably none of the tards can identify a single policy and explain how it was the cause of that.  Here's your shot.

[ednksu]

so if Obama leads the dems to economic policies that lead to the worst depression in a generation Dax will give him credit for low oil prices.  Got it. 

Exactly which economic policies led to the most recent "depression"?

unquestionably bush
see his tax cuts which are still crippling our economy

Be serious. I really want to know. I hear tards bitch about "those economic policies" that caused this recession, but invariably none of the tards can identify a single policy and explain how it was the cause of that.  Here's your shot.

I honestly believe Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act was one of the worst piece of legislation allowed in America.  It shows what drunk politicians on both sides are capable of when they listen to big business instead of history.  Also don't dare quote the factcheck.org piece on Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act because a child's logic can see through that piece of crap.  Every time I read it I'm stunned they keep that garbage up.  The fact is repealing Glass-Steagall allowed for the conditions which they blame for the causes of the depression.  Without the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act we wouldn't have debt swaps, we wouldn't have mortgages repackaged as AAA investment securities.  Without Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act we wouldn't have allowed these banks and insurance companies to become intertwined without the liquidity to bleed out their losses. 

Another piece of legislation that is tangentially related that I hate is the Telecom Act of 1996, another bipartisan rape of the American public.  That Act has allowed the consolidation of media outlets into the empires we know today.  It has allowed the American consumer to be raped by these companies because they have been allowed to combine and monopolize services, and control the information that Americans need to make informed decisions. 

I do think the Bush tax cuts are worthless.  I have never seen a time in America where tax the rich has been a bad thing.  If you can source me some info on that I would be very interested to see it.  The fact is that middle class families will use an extra few dollars in their pocket to maybe buy a TV or pay down debt.  A rich person, >1million annually lets say, isn't going to need an extra bit of money to make another purchase.  They aren't going to need that money to hire another person at a small business.  The really rich people sure as crap don't need the extra money to hire another person at a job.  That is going to be based off supply and demand of the economy.  All those tax cuts have done is bleed away valuable tax receipts from the Federal government.

[Stupid Fitz]

Crazy Stupid Guy that lives off Roe used to have a sign in his yard bitching about high gas prices with the quote that said, "Bush and his friends have done well". 

He hasn't had that sign up in a little over 3.5 years. 

I also really hope Romney wins so the media can start bitching about them again.  Going to be great

[ben ji]

Crazy Stupid Guy that lives off Roe used to have a sign in his yard bitching about high gas prices with the quote that said, "Bush and his friends have done well". 

He hasn't had that sign up in a little over 3.5 years. 

I also really hope Romney wins so the media can start bitching about them again.  Going to be great

Man, I used to always get a chuckle driving by those signs.

I dont think they are up anymore though, at least I havent noticed it recently.

[Stupid Fitz]

They were pretty great. I don't drive that way anymore, but I think he may have moved. Some of his crazy stupid signs were so long that you had to drive by 3 times to read the whole thing.

[TheHamburglar]

A rich person, >1million annually lets say, isn't going to need an extra bit of money to make another purchase.  They aren't going to need that money to hire another person at a small business.  The really rich people sure as crap don't need the extra money to hire another person at a job.  That is going to be based off supply and demand of the economy.  All those tax cuts have done is bleed away valuable tax receipts from the Federal government.

You use >1million to define rich, but right now the political landscape sets the "rich" line at 250K.  Tax levels on small business owners whose income tax says they make this much (but actually take home significantly less) do have a significant impact on their ability to hire additional people on the job and the motivation to hire additional people. You can't say "look at how it affects someone who makes $1MM, lets raise taxes on the business owner who makes $250K while providing 20 jobs."

You're also looking at it wrong with "The really rich people sure as crap don't need the extra money to hire another person at a job."  It's not about needing the money to hire that person or not, it's about if hiring that person gives them a net benefit.  If you raise taxes on them, you lower the take home pay each employee provides to the business owner.  You can make the arguement as to whether they "need" the money or not, their "need" of the money has zero impact on their business decisions.  You may think this is the way business owners should work, buy no tax law changes will change how they actually operate/think.

[EMAWesome]

Presidents have very little control over anything that can control gas prices.

Domestic Oil Production is way up compared to the Bush years, yet gas prices are higher.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/mar/12/news/la-pn-report-us-oil-imports-down-domestic-production-highest-since-2003-20120311

Neither side has any pressure to exert on OPEC at this point. They own it, we are their customers, end of story.

Obama released a small portion of the strategic oil reserves in '09 (I think it was '09, may have been '10), and that started the drop in gas prices that lasted for a couple years (I'm not saying THAT was the cause, but it did happen), but it is at best a temporary measure, and it is a risky step to take.

Neither side can control the weather. Gas prices have spiked recently because of the threat of Isaac slowing production, and reduced corn for ethanol production due to the drought in the Midwest...both of these will have VERY little effect on the actual supply, but they lead into my next point...

The only way gas prices will ever go down over the long haul (I feel) is if speculators are kicked out of the game all together. All they do is play on fear, and natural events to jack the prices up & make a quick buck. I am pro Free Market, but that doesn't mean EVERYTHING in the world needs to be open to have exponential profits made off of it.

Lastly, gas prices are still waaaaay cheaper in the US than they are in other places in the world...Prices are per gallon as ofAugust 13: Norway - $10.12...Turkey - $9.41...Israel - $9.28...Hong Kong - $8.61...Netherlands - $8.26...Denmark - $8.20...Italy - $8.15...Sweden - $8.14...Greece - $7.92...UK - $7.87.....the US is the 51st most expensive Country to buy a Gallon of Gas according to...

http://www.bloomberg.com/slideshow/2012-08-13/highest-cheapest-gas-prices-by-country.html#slide51


 

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Presidents have very little control over anything that can control gas prices.

Domestic Oil Production is way up compared to the Bush years, yet gas prices are higher.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/mar/12/news/la-pn-report-us-oil-imports-down-domestic-production-highest-since-2003-20120311

Neither side has any pressure to exert on OPEC at this point. They own it, we are their customers, end of story.

Obama released a small portion of the strategic oil reserves in '09 (I think it was '09, may have been '10), and that started the drop in gas prices that lasted for a couple years (I'm not saying THAT was the cause, but it did happen), but it is at best a temporary measure, and it is a risky step to take.

Neither side can control the weather. Gas prices have spiked recently because of the threat of Isaac slowing production, and reduced corn for ethanol production due to the drought in the Midwest...both of these will have VERY little effect on the actual supply, but they lead into my next point...

The only way gas prices will ever go down over the long haul (I feel) is if speculators are kicked out of the game all together. All they do is play on fear, and natural events to jack the prices up & make a quick buck. I am pro Free Market, but that doesn't mean EVERYTHING in the world needs to be open to have exponential profits made off of it.

Lastly, gas prices are still waaaaay cheaper in the US than they are in other places in the world...Prices are per gallon as ofAugust 13: Norway - $10.12...Turkey - $9.41...Israel - $9.28...Hong Kong - $8.61...Netherlands - $8.26...Denmark - $8.20...Italy - $8.15...Sweden - $8.14...Greece - $7.92...UK - $7.87.....the US is the 51st most expensive Country to buy a Gallon of Gas according to...

http://www.bloomberg.com/slideshow/2012-08-13/highest-cheapest-gas-prices-by-country.html#slide51


 

and here is why

[star seed 7]

and here is why

god damn obama taxing us to death 

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

and here is why

god damn obama taxing us to death 

That would come in the second term.

[EMAWesome]

and here is why

god damn obama taxing us to death 

That would come in the second term.

Only if you are 

Normal folks like us would only pay more in taxes under Mitt Rmoney

[Stupid Fitz]

Presidents have very little control over anything that can control gas prices.

Domestic Oil Production is way up compared to the Bush years, yet gas prices are higher.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/mar/12/news/la-pn-report-us-oil-imports-down-domestic-production-highest-since-2003-20120311

Neither side has any pressure to exert on OPEC at this point. They own it, we are their customers, end of story.

Obama released a small portion of the strategic oil reserves in '09 (I think it was '09, may have been '10), and that started the drop in gas prices that lasted for a couple years (I'm not saying THAT was the cause, but it did happen), but it is at best a temporary measure, and it is a risky step to take.

Neither side can control the weather. Gas prices have spiked recently because of the threat of Isaac slowing production, and reduced corn for ethanol production due to the drought in the Midwest...both of these will have VERY little effect on the actual supply, but they lead into my next point...

The only way gas prices will ever go down over the long haul (I feel) is if speculators are kicked out of the game all together. All they do is play on fear, and natural events to jack the prices up & make a quick buck. I am pro Free Market, but that doesn't mean EVERYTHING in the world needs to be open to have exponential profits made off of it.

Lastly, gas prices are still waaaaay cheaper in the US than they are in other places in the world...Prices are per gallon as ofAugust 13: Norway - $10.12...Turkey - $9.41...Israel - $9.28...Hong Kong - $8.61...Netherlands - $8.26...Denmark - $8.20...Italy - $8.15...Sweden - $8.14...Greece - $7.92...UK - $7.87.....the US is the 51st most expensive Country to buy a Gallon of Gas according to...

http://www.bloomberg.com/slideshow/2012-08-13/highest-cheapest-gas-prices-by-country.html#slide51


 

Cept for ones that really want the prices to be higher.  Also, my point was how hard it makes me LOL that the media and everyone was losing their minds when gas prices went up and they blamed Bush because he lives in TX.  Now, the president has little to do with gas prices rising.

Pretty sure Romney's policies will somehow make them stay high. 

[husserl]

You can't say "look at how it affects someone who makes $1MM, lets raise taxes on the business owner who makes $250K while providing 20 jobs."

who do you think is proposing anything like this?

[TheHamburglar]

You can't say "look at how it affects someone who makes $1MM, lets raise taxes on the business owner who makes $250K while providing 20 jobs."

who do you think is proposing anything like this?

Right now its the Dems. Thats the line where above it the want to let the Bush tax cuts expire and below it, keep them. That's also their rich/middle class line since they refer to it as keeping taxes low for middle class and raising for the rich.  My original point is now whenever you talk about rich/poor in America, that's the line because that's what the president has set it at. You can't just go "screw the rich, they make millions."

[EMAWesome]

Presidents have very little control over anything that can control gas prices.

Domestic Oil Production is way up compared to the Bush years, yet gas prices are higher.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/mar/12/news/la-pn-report-us-oil-imports-down-domestic-production-highest-since-2003-20120311

Neither side has any pressure to exert on OPEC at this point. They own it, we are their customers, end of story.

Obama released a small portion of the strategic oil reserves in '09 (I think it was '09, may have been '10), and that started the drop in gas prices that lasted for a couple years (I'm not saying THAT was the cause, but it did happen), but it is at best a temporary measure, and it is a risky step to take.

Neither side can control the weather. Gas prices have spiked recently because of the threat of Isaac slowing production, and reduced corn for ethanol production due to the drought in the Midwest...both of these will have VERY little effect on the actual supply, but they lead into my next point...

The only way gas prices will ever go down over the long haul (I feel) is if speculators are kicked out of the game all together. All they do is play on fear, and natural events to jack the prices up & make a quick buck. I am pro Free Market, but that doesn't mean EVERYTHING in the world needs to be open to have exponential profits made off of it.

Lastly, gas prices are still waaaaay cheaper in the US than they are in other places in the world...Prices are per gallon as ofAugust 13: Norway - $10.12...Turkey - $9.41...Israel - $9.28...Hong Kong - $8.61...Netherlands - $8.26...Denmark - $8.20...Italy - $8.15...Sweden - $8.14...Greece - $7.92...UK - $7.87.....the US is the 51st most expensive Country to buy a Gallon of Gas according to...

http://www.bloomberg.com/slideshow/2012-08-13/highest-cheapest-gas-prices-by-country.html#slide51


 

Cept for ones that really want the prices to be higher.  Also, my point was how hard it makes me LOL that the media and everyone was losing their minds when gas prices went up and they blamed Bush because he lives in TX.  Now, the president has little to do with gas prices rising.

Pretty sure Romney's policies will somehow make them stay high.

Yes, yes, I'm sure Obama is doing everything in his power to ensure gas prices stay high 60 some days away from his election day, because that is simply genius.

When did it become OK to think the president, this one or the last one, is nothing more than a terrorist in the White House? When did we cross that threshold which seperated crap like that from the crazy MF'ers that always existed to being on every god damn cable news network & AM radio station? It's rough ridin' stupid, and we will never go forward with thoughts like, "He really wants gas prices to be higher" being an argument that is somehow accepted as valid by, I dunno 30-40% of the country?

 

[Rage Against the McKee]

You can't say "look at how it affects someone who makes $1MM, lets raise taxes on the business owner who makes $250K while providing 20 jobs."

who do you think is proposing anything like this?

Right now its the Dems. Thats the line where above it the want to let the Bush tax cuts expire and below it, keep them. That's also their rich/middle class line since they refer to it as keeping taxes low for middle class and raising for the rich.  My original point is now whenever you talk about rich/poor in America, that's the line because that's what the president has set it at. You can't just go "screw the rich, they make millions."

I can say that I don't have any problem with a slight tax hike for everyone who makes over $100k, as long as that tax increase accompanies a budget decrease.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Cept for ones that really want the prices to be higher.  Also, my point was how hard it makes me LOL that the media and everyone was losing their minds when gas prices went up and they blamed Bush because he lives in TX.  Now, the president has little to do with gas prices rising.

Pretty sure Romney's policies will somehow make them stay high.

I've always thought blaming the president for gas prices (Bush included) is somewhat ridiculous, but I can see some instances where blame might be warranted. For example, if Newt somehow would have won the republican nomination and then been elected president, he absolutely should have been held to his ridiculous gas price promises.

[TheHamburglar]

You can't say "look at how it affects someone who makes $1MM, lets raise taxes on the business owner who makes $250K while providing 20 jobs."

who do you think is proposing anything like this?

Right now its the Dems. Thats the line where above it the want to let the Bush tax cuts expire and below it, keep them. That's also their rich/middle class line since they refer to it as keeping taxes low for middle class and raising for the rich.  My original point is now whenever you talk about rich/poor in America, that's the line because that's what the president has set it at. You can't just go "screw the rich, they make millions."

I can say that I don't have any problem with a slight tax hike for everyone who makes over $100k, as long as that tax increase accompanies a budget decrease.

I think most of the people I know that make over $100k would agree with you on this, however most realize that if their taxes are raised they're just going to grow another government program for someone else's benefit without any impact on the debt or spending deficit.  That's how government works, on both sides.  You take what you can get from people who wouldn't vote for you anyway and give it to the people in demographics who are likely to be undecided to buy their vote.