How you guys doing?....

[treysolid]

Groce will have to overcome weber's last 6 years--which were the 11th worst 6 year period in Illinois history, out of 102 6 year periods. 

But I think he can do it.

you guys have been playing hoops since before Colombus sailed the ocean blue   

think of it like a boxcar average...

[Trim]

None of the Illinois fans I engaged in Chicago remembered/knew who the eff Weber was.

[ben ji]

I dont think there are any Illini fans in Chicago, they are all Iowa/ND/Wisconsin/Purdue/Mich St fans. The only people who go to UofI are hayseeds from Springfield/Quincy/Danville. That and asians, lots and lots of asians.

[steve dave]

We saw tons of EMAW outside of the goEMAW affiliated in wrigleyville. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

Groce will have to overcome weber's last 6 years--which were the 11th worst 6 year period in Illinois history, out of 102 6 year periods. 

But I think he can do it.

you guys have been playing hoops since before Colombus sailed the ocean blue   

The 6 year periods overlap.

[WillieWatanabe]

We saw tons of EMAW outside of the goEMAW affiliated in wrigleyville. 

where were the twitpics of this stuff guys?? no. all we got was chest hair.

[pissclams]

i met a ton of illini fans at the big 10 pub crawl.  every school was very well represented except nebraska.  there wasn't a single cornhusker there.  lol.

[IlliniTillIDie]

Wetwillie, just stop it.  It is not arbitrary to look at Webers time with his own players.  His first three seasons he started almost exclusively Bill Self recruits.  Weber was absolutely horrible with his own players.  We won 3 of 6 conference titles before he showed up and once he got his players on campus we missed the tourney 3 out of 6 times and never contended for a conference title.

People get fixated on Weber's title game appearance and just cant see him for what he is, which is an awkward dork who is overmatched as a head coach and should be doing something else with his life.

The bottom line is it is not much fun delluding yourself into thinking Weber is an ok basketball coach.  I tried that for a few years.  It is awful.  You begin living a lie.  Then you lose to Bradley and UIC and the depressing reality hits.  Im not saying you shouldnt cheer for K State, but if you start believing this guy is anything but a schlub you are doing K State a disservice.  You are enabling the destroyer of programs.  Just wait until he starts talking about how hard it is to make the NCAAS and how that is an unrealistic expectation for your program.

Good luck though and Go EMAW (especially in football).

[Dugout DickStone]

Wetwillie, just stop it.  It is not arbitrary to look at Webers time with his own players.  His first three seasons he started almost exclusively Bill Self recruits.  Weber was absolutely horrible with his own players.  We won 3 of 6 conference titles before he showed up and once he got his players on campus we missed the tourney 3 out of 6 times and never contended for a conference title.

People get fixated on Weber's title game appearance and just cant see him for what he is, which is an awkward dork who is overmatched as a head coach and should be doing something else with his life.

The bottom line is it is not much fun delluding yourself into thinking Weber is an ok basketball coach.  I tried that for a few years.  It is awful.  You begin living a lie.  Then you lose to Bradley and UIC and the depressing reality hits.  Im not saying you shouldnt cheer for K State, but if you start believing this guy is anything but a schlub you are doing K State a disservice.  You are enabling the destroyer of programs.  Just wait until he starts talking about how hard it is to make the NCAAS and how that is an unrealistic expectation for your program.

Good luck though and Go EMAW (especially in football).

I am actually pretty excited for this.  It will be a full on crap show for this board.

[8manpick]

Wetwillie, just stop it.  It is not arbitrary to look at Webers time with his own players.  His first three seasons he started almost exclusively Bill Self recruits.  Weber was absolutely horrible with his own players.  We won 3 of 6 conference titles before he showed up and once he got his players on campus we missed the tourney 3 out of 6 times and never contended for a conference title.

People get fixated on Weber's title game appearance and just cant see him for what he is, which is an awkward dork who is overmatched as a head coach and should be doing something else with his life.

The bottom line is it is not much fun delluding yourself into thinking Weber is an ok basketball coach.  I tried that for a few years.  It is awful.  You begin living a lie.  Then you lose to Bradley and UIC and the depressing reality hits.  Im not saying you shouldnt cheer for K State, but if you start believing this guy is anything but a schlub you are doing K State a disservice.  You are enabling the destroyer of programs.  Just wait until he starts talking about how hard it is to make the NCAAS and how that is an unrealistic expectation for your program.

Good luck though and Go EMAW (especially in football).

I am actually pretty excited for this.  It will be a full on crap show for this board.

[catzacker]

Wetwillie, just stop it.  It is not arbitrary to look at Webers time with his own players.  His first three seasons he started almost exclusively Bill Self recruits.  Weber was absolutely horrible with his own players.  We won 3 of 6 conference titles before he showed up and once he got his players on campus we missed the tourney 3 out of 6 times and never contended for a conference title.

People get fixated on Weber's title game appearance and just cant see him for what he is, which is an awkward dork who is overmatched as a head coach and should be doing something else with his life.

The bottom line is it is not much fun delluding yourself into thinking Weber is an ok basketball coach.  I tried that for a few years.  It is awful.  You begin living a lie.  Then you lose to Bradley and UIC and the depressing reality hits.  Im not saying you shouldnt cheer for K State, but if you start believing this guy is anything but a schlub you are doing K State a disservice.  You are enabling the destroyer of programs.  Just wait until he starts talking about how hard it is to make the NCAAS and how that is an unrealistic expectation for your program.

Good luck though and Go EMAW (especially in football).

I am actually pretty excited for this.  It will be a full on crap show for this board.

will be great to hear next year how young we are.  I imagine it will sound the same as when frank said it, only in a higher pitched voice and less "ya knows".

[Winters]

None of the Illinois fans I engaged in Chicago remembered/knew who the eff Weber was.

Good to know the Men in Black will erase our memories of Weber when he is gone.

[feartheillini]

Good morning.  I had to spend some of the morning chewing out a Scout board poster who claimed he was happy Self left. 

Now, getting back to weber, all I'm doing is warning that it will probably be painful once weber gets his own guys in here.  But you guys are funny and tough.  That'll get you through this.

I noticed that weber has already laid the groundwork to blame offensive shortcomings on Martin.  I did some research in case I needed to back up a claim of mine that Wisconsin's offense under Ryan was pretty solid, if boring.  So I was looking at Kenpom's efficiency ratings.  Well one thing lead to another and I also looked at our (Illini) offensive eff ratings under weber and now I looked at KSU's offensive ratings under Martin.

Here's what I found:

Offensive Efficiency Rank  Illini  KSU
2006-2007                      111  71
2007-2008                        83  20
2008-2009                        98  65
2009-2010                        65  13
2010-1011                        33  47
2011-2012                       126  53

Okay, Martin didn't coach the 2006-2007 team.  But I think you get the drift.   The only reason for weber to point out that KSU needs to improve offensively is to have a fall back in case your team performs like a weber-coached offense.  I will say weber's pretty good at covering his shortcomings before hand.

You got to know your enemy, so I hope this helps.  Remember, we Illini fans have been through this and we're on your side.

[sonofdaxjones]

Illini fans are just mad.

Demographically/Strategically/Politcially (only major D1 institution in Illinois) . . . they are in the top 3 of college athletics underachievers, right next to their cross state butt buddies . . . MethU

[Mixed-Nutz]

Illini fans are just mad.

Demographically/Strategically/Politcially (only major D1 institution in Illinois) . . . they are in the top 3 of college athletics underachievers, right next to their cross state butt buddies . . . MethU

and Texas A&M ??

[ben ji]

Illini fans are just mad.

Demographically/Strategically/Politcially (only major D1 institution in Illinois) . . . they are in the top 3 of college athletics underachievers, right next to their cross state butt buddies . . . MethU

and Texas A&M ??

I'd put minnesota in that group as well.

[skycat]

Wetwillie, just stop it.  It is not arbitrary to look at Webers time with his own players.  His first three seasons he started almost exclusively Bill Self recruits.  Weber was absolutely horrible with his own players.  We won 3 of 6 conference titles before he showed up and once he got his players on campus we missed the tourney 3 out of 6 times and never contended for a conference title.

People get fixated on Weber's title game appearance and just cant see him for what he is, which is an awkward dork who is overmatched as a head coach and should be doing something else with his life.

The bottom line is it is not much fun delluding yourself into thinking Weber is an ok basketball coach.  I tried that for a few years.  It is awful.  You begin living a lie.  Then you lose to Bradley and UIC and the depressing reality hits.  Im not saying you shouldnt cheer for K State, but if you start believing this guy is anything but a schlub you are doing K State a disservice.  You are enabling the destroyer of programs.  Just wait until he starts talking about how hard it is to make the NCAAS and how that is an unrealistic expectation for your program.

Good luck though and Go EMAW (especially in football).

I am actually pretty excited for this.  It will be a full on crap show for this board.

I vote we fold this board into the "other sports we don't care about unless we are winning" board.

[Cartierfor3]

I vote we fold this board into the "other sports we don't care about unless we are winning" board.

I vote you be a little less butthurt

[Dugout DickStone]

Good morning.  I had to spend some of the morning chewing out a Scout board poster who claimed he was happy Self left. 

Now, getting back to weber, all I'm doing is warning that it will probably be painful once weber gets his own guys in here.  But you guys are funny and tough.  That'll get you through this.

I noticed that weber has already laid the groundwork to blame offensive shortcomings on Martin.  I did some research in case I needed to back up a claim of mine that Wisconsin's offense under Ryan was pretty solid, if boring.  So I was looking at Kenpom's efficiency ratings.  Well one thing lead to another and I also looked at our (Illini) offensive eff ratings under weber and now I looked at KSU's offensive ratings under Martin.

Here's what I found:

Offensive Efficiency Rank  Illini  KSU
2006-2007                      111  71
2007-2008                        83  20
2008-2009                        98  65
2009-2010                        65  13
2010-1011                        33  47
2011-2012                       126  53

Okay, Martin didn't coach the 2006-2007 team.  But I think you get the drift.   The only reason for weber to point out that KSU needs to improve offensively is to have a fall back in case your team performs like a weber-coached offense.  I will say weber's pretty good at covering his shortcomings before hand.

You got to know your enemy, so I hope this helps.  Remember, we Illini fans have been through this and we're on your side.

Those numbers give me the shivers....and I'm at the pool - 99 degrees right now

[Pete]

Good morning.  I had to spend some of the morning chewing out a Scout board poster who claimed he was happy Self left. 

Now, getting back to weber, all I'm doing is warning that it will probably be painful once weber gets his own guys in here.  But you guys are funny and tough.  That'll get you through this.

I noticed that weber has already laid the groundwork to blame offensive shortcomings on Martin.  I did some research in case I needed to back up a claim of mine that Wisconsin's offense under Ryan was pretty solid, if boring.  So I was looking at Kenpom's efficiency ratings.  Well one thing lead to another and I also looked at our (Illini) offensive eff ratings under weber and now I looked at KSU's offensive ratings under Martin.

Here's what I found:

Offensive Efficiency Rank  Illini  KSU
2006-2007                      111  71
2007-2008                        83  20
2008-2009                        98  65
2009-2010                        65  13
2010-1011                        33  47
2011-2012                       126  53

Okay, Martin didn't coach the 2006-2007 team.  But I think you get the drift.   The only reason for weber to point out that KSU needs to improve offensively is to have a fall back in case your team performs like a weber-coached offense.  I will say weber's pretty good at covering his shortcomings before hand.

You got to know your enemy, so I hope this helps.  Remember, we Illini fans have been through this and we're on your side.

I feel like I am in love with you.

[treysolid]

not on the weber bandwagon by any means, but remember when looking at those off eff ratings that it's the big 10. first team to break 40 wins.

[8manpick]

not on the weber bandwagon by any means, but remember when looking at those off eff ratings that it's the big 10. first team to break 40 wins.

Maybe your dumb ass should study what efficiency ratings are and what they tell you.

[Mr Bread]

Illini fans are just mad.

Demographically/Strategically/Politcially (only major D1 institution in Illinois) . . . they are in the top 3 of college athletics underachievers, right next to their cross state butt buddies . . . MethU

oscar is gonna rape your men's basketball offense so damn hard.  Just force himself all over it in so many different ways.  Then your men's basketball offense is going to end up sitting in the shower with all its clothes on, water running just holding itself and rocking back and forth.  Might not ever be the same.  oscar'll go right on just a grinnin' and aw-shucksin' and being a multi-millionaire right in your face after it happens too.  And deep down you're going to be so righteously pissed about it, but all you'll do is just lay there and take it.  Take it any which way oscar wants to give it to you, because you can't do a damn thing about it.  "Thank you, oscar. May I have another?" says Dax.  You go on pretending like it's what you want there Daxie.  oscar'll appreciate that.  Might throw up an add in the local paper after he walks off into the sunset, like leaving a quarter on the dresser of some whore after he walks out of the room. 

[8manpick]

not on the weber bandwagon by any means, but remember when looking at those off eff ratings that it's the big 10. first team to break 40 wins.

7 teams in last years top 22 offensive efficiency ratings came from the big 10.

[Pete]

not on the weber bandwagon by any means, but remember when looking at those off eff ratings that it's the big 10. first team to break 40 wins.

7 teams in last years top 22 offensive efficiency ratings came from the big 10.

Must be typo if oscar was way shittier than Frank, AND played in a very efficient league.  Surely that cannot be correct, can it?