Paul Ryan earned his 3 million dollars through HARD WORK!!!

[Bookcat]

well, that and having school paid for using a government program (SS) then going to work for his family's construction business on an well above the average salary for a 25 year old......


other than that! Sheer will and determination to succeed was his path to prosperity!

[slobber]

well, that and having school paid for using a government program (SS) then going to work for his family's construction business on an well above the average salary for a 25 year old......


other than that! Sheer will and determination to succeed was his path to prosperity!

Is this a talking point? I am confused when people use "he made money in his family's business" as a talking point. Is making a lot of money a bad thing? When did that become a thing? (This is not a party line issue, I have heard both sides argue about a candidate from the other side having a lot of money and insinuating that it is a bad thing.)

[Dugout DickStone]

Seems pretty badass.

[8manpick]

Yeah, good for Paul Ryan. So he got benefits from a program that his father paid into his whole life?  Was he supposed to say, "No, please give this money you want to give to me to someone else, I don't want it."  Stupid talking point.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Yeah, good for Paul Ryan. So he got benefits from a program that his father paid into his whole life?  Was he supposed to say, "No, please give this money you want to give to me to someone else, I don't want it."  Stupid talking point.

Yes. Same mentality of those that insist on higher taxes, then fighting the IRS to keep more of their money (Buffet)

[Rage Against the McKee]

Most of the criticisms of Romney just reek of jealousy. I don't care that Romney makes a lot of money, but I would like him more if there were ever a point in his life where he wasn't rich. Some of the things he says make me believe that he is just completely out of touch with the average American, and that could have an effect on his ability to lead. I don't see how his abilities to avoid paying taxes and lead a successful company could be considered cons, though.

[yoga-like_abana]

forgot how awesome a bookcat thread is.. I love you bookcat!

[CNS]

I would rather guys like this be wealthy.  1. who wants some dummy who can't make a buck running anything.

2. Personal wealth provides a person an opportunity to focus on something other than making a solid next paycheck. 

[Stupid Fitz]

This is a weird, strange, horrible, thread. 

[mortons toe]

This is a weird, strange, horrible, thread.

why? Because Bookcat destroyed himself and a libtard talking point?

[mortons toe]

Most of the criticisms of Romney just reek of jealousy. I don't care that Romney makes a lot of money, but I would like him more if there were ever a point in his life where he wasn't rich. Some of the things he says make me believe that he is just completely out of touch with the average American, and that could have an effect on his ability to lead. I don't see how his abilities to avoid paying taxes and lead a successful company could be considered cons, though.

Sounds familier... 

[ednksu]

Yeah, good for Paul Ryan. So he got benefits from a program that his father paid into his whole life?  Was he supposed to say, "No, please give this money you want to give to me to someone else, I don't want it."  Stupid talking point.

Yes. Same mentality of those that insist on higher taxes, then fighting the IRS to keep more of their money (Buffet)

yeah poor Romney needs to be on the path to prosperity and only pay .082% of his income in tax.  Maybe than he will finally be able to create jobs. 

[JohnCurrie is Weird/Gross]

It's hard to take Ryan's economic policies seriously when he requested millions of dollars in earmarks and government spending literally saved his hometown from economic collapse(http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/08/06/120806fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=all).

(4th paragraph from the bottom, completely ignores question that undermines his whole economic philosophy.)

[michigancat]

bookcat and fsd need their own forum that is somehow worse than the DK Dome.

[Trim]

bookcat and fsd need their own forum that is somehow worse than the DK Dome.

I tossed out the idea of a sub-pit not long ago but Saul's too busy working on the secret boards that y-l_a isn't allowed on.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

It's hard to take Ryan's economic policies seriously when he requested millions of dollars in earmarks and government spending literally saved his hometown from economic collapse(http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/08/06/120806fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=all).

(4th paragraph from the bottom, completely ignores question that undermines his whole economic philosophy.)

As an elected official, if you aren't taking advantage of every option available to improve life for your constituents, regardless of ideology, you have failed. This is where Obama has failed miserably.

[JohnCurrie is Weird/Gross]

It's hard to take Ryan's economic policies seriously when he requested millions of dollars in earmarks and government spending literally saved his hometown from economic collapse(http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/08/06/120806fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=all).

(4th paragraph from the bottom, completely ignores question that undermines his whole economic philosophy.)

As an elected official, if you aren't taking advantage of every option available to improve life for your constituents, regardless of ideology, you have failed. This is where Obama has failed miserably.

Obama has failed miserably at trying improving the life of his constituents? The Republican's self admitted Number 1 goal of the last 2 years was to ensure that Obama is a one-term president. Republicans have put partisan politics first and Americans a distant second.

[slobber]

It's hard to take Ryan's economic policies seriously when he requested millions of dollars in earmarks and government spending literally saved his hometown from economic collapse(http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/08/06/120806fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=all).

(4th paragraph from the bottom, completely ignores question that undermines his whole economic philosophy.)

As an elected official, if you aren't taking advantage of every option available to improve life for your constituents, regardless of ideology, you have failed. This is where Obama has failed miserably.

Obama has failed miserably at trying improving the life of his constituents? The Republican's self admitted Number 1 goal of the last 2 years was to ensure that Obama is a one-term president. Republicans have put partisan politics first and Americans a distant second.

thus improving the life of their constituents? Isn't that the thinking of either party when a first term president takes over? Pretty sure it is and that they try to get their constituents to buy into the idea that "once we get back in the top spot, then we will be able to make your life more like you want it."

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

It's hard to take Ryan's economic policies seriously when he requested millions of dollars in earmarks and government spending literally saved his hometown from economic collapse(http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/08/06/120806fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=all).

(4th paragraph from the bottom, completely ignores question that undermines his whole economic philosophy.)

As an elected official, if you aren't taking advantage of every option available to improve life for your constituents, regardless of ideology, you have failed. This is where Obama has failed miserably.

Obama has failed miserably at trying improving the life of his constituents? The Republican's self admitted Number 1 goal of the last 2 years was to ensure that Obama is a one-term president. Republicans have put partisan politics first and Americans a distant second.

In poor economic times, the only way to improve lives is to improve the economy. There are proven ways that have worked in the past, but they involve tax incentives for businesses and individuals, and his ideology won't permit him to do it. Tax increases come after the tax base (jobs) has expanded.

[michigancat]

It's hard to take Ryan's economic policies seriously when he requested millions of dollars in earmarks and government spending literally saved his hometown from economic collapse(http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/08/06/120806fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=all).

(4th paragraph from the bottom, completely ignores question that undermines his whole economic philosophy.)

As an elected official, if you aren't taking advantage of every option available to improve life for your constituents, regardless of ideology, you have failed. This is where Obama has failed miserably.

Obama has failed miserably at trying improving the life of his constituents? The Republican's self admitted Number 1 goal of the last 2 years was to ensure that Obama is a one-term president. Republicans have put partisan politics first and Americans a distant second.

In poor economic times, the only way to improve lives is to improve the economy. There are proven ways that have worked in the past, but they involve tax incentives for businesses and individuals, and his ideology won't permit him to do it. Tax increases come after the tax base (jobs) has expanded.

Seems like he gave general motors (the biggest business in the country) something even better than tax incentives.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

It's hard to take Ryan's economic policies seriously when he requested millions of dollars in earmarks and government spending literally saved his hometown from economic collapse(http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/08/06/120806fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=all).

(4th paragraph from the bottom, completely ignores question that undermines his whole economic philosophy.)

As an elected official, if you aren't taking advantage of every option available to improve life for your constituents, regardless of ideology, you have failed. This is where Obama has failed miserably.

Obama has failed miserably at trying improving the life of his constituents? The Republican's self admitted Number 1 goal of the last 2 years was to ensure that Obama is a one-term president. Republicans have put partisan politics first and Americans a distant second.

In poor economic times, the only way to improve lives is to improve the economy. There are proven ways that have worked in the past, but they involve tax incentives for businesses and individuals, and his ideology won't permit him to do it. Tax increases come after the tax base (jobs) has expanded.

Seems like he gave general motors (the biggest business in the country) something even better than tax incentives.

He has actually hurt GM by not allowing them to go through a regular reorganization. We (taxpayers) are also 25 billion in the red holding shitty GM stock. The only ones that came out ahead on that deal is the UAW.

[michigancat]

It's hard to take Ryan's economic policies seriously when he requested millions of dollars in earmarks and government spending literally saved his hometown from economic collapse(http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/08/06/120806fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=all).

(4th paragraph from the bottom, completely ignores question that undermines his whole economic philosophy.)

As an elected official, if you aren't taking advantage of every option available to improve life for your constituents, regardless of ideology, you have failed. This is where Obama has failed miserably.

Obama has failed miserably at trying improving the life of his constituents? The Republican's self admitted Number 1 goal of the last 2 years was to ensure that Obama is a one-term president. Republicans have put partisan politics first and Americans a distant second.

In poor economic times, the only way to improve lives is to improve the economy. There are proven ways that have worked in the past, but they involve tax incentives for businesses and individuals, and his ideology won't permit him to do it. Tax increases come after the tax base (jobs) has expanded.

Seems like he gave general motors (the biggest business in the country) something even better than tax incentives.

He has actually hurt GM by not allowing them to go through a regular reorganization. We (taxpayers) are also 25 billion in the red holding shitty GM stock. The only ones that came out ahead on that deal is the UAW.

link?

[JohnCurrie is Weird/Gross]

Corporate profits are at an all-time high under Obama: http://www.businessinsider.com/corporate-profits-just-hit-an-all-time-high-wages-just-hit-an-all-time-low-2012-6
so these are poor economic times in terms of unemployment but not in terms of stock market and profits.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

It's hard to take Ryan's economic policies seriously when he requested millions of dollars in earmarks and government spending literally saved his hometown from economic collapse(http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/08/06/120806fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=all).

(4th paragraph from the bottom, completely ignores question that undermines his whole economic philosophy.)

As an elected official, if you aren't taking advantage of every option available to improve life for your constituents, regardless of ideology, you have failed. This is where Obama has failed miserably.

Obama has failed miserably at trying improving the life of his constituents? The Republican's self admitted Number 1 goal of the last 2 years was to ensure that Obama is a one-term president. Republicans have put partisan politics first and Americans a distant second.

In poor economic times, the only way to improve lives is to improve the economy. There are proven ways that have worked in the past, but they involve tax incentives for businesses and individuals, and his ideology won't permit him to do it. Tax increases come after the tax base (jobs) has expanded.

Seems like he gave general motors (the biggest business in the country) something even better than tax incentives.

He has actually hurt GM by not allowing them to go through a regular reorganization. We (taxpayers) are also 25 billion in the red holding shitty GM stock. The only ones that came out ahead on that deal is the UAW.

link?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/15/auto-bailout-price-tag-rises-to-25-billion-how-high-will-it-go/

[michigancat]

It's hard to take Ryan's economic policies seriously when he requested millions of dollars in earmarks and government spending literally saved his hometown from economic collapse(http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/08/06/120806fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=all).

(4th paragraph from the bottom, completely ignores question that undermines his whole economic philosophy.)

As an elected official, if you aren't taking advantage of every option available to improve life for your constituents, regardless of ideology, you have failed. This is where Obama has failed miserably.

Obama has failed miserably at trying improving the life of his constituents? The Republican's self admitted Number 1 goal of the last 2 years was to ensure that Obama is a one-term president. Republicans have put partisan politics first and Americans a distant second.

In poor economic times, the only way to improve lives is to improve the economy. There are proven ways that have worked in the past, but they involve tax incentives for businesses and individuals, and his ideology won't permit him to do it. Tax increases come after the tax base (jobs) has expanded.

Seems like he gave general motors (the biggest business in the country) something even better than tax incentives.

He has actually hurt GM by not allowing them to go through a regular reorganization. We (taxpayers) are also 25 billion in the red holding shitty GM stock. The only ones that came out ahead on that deal is the UAW.

link?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/15/auto-bailout-price-tag-rises-to-25-billion-how-high-will-it-go/

lol's

Meanwhile, says McAlinden, it’s worth putting the cost of the bailout in context. The $25.1 billion Treasury may lose has to be weighed against the cost of not bailing out GM and Chrysler in the first place. A study in 2010 by the Center for Automotive Research found that the auto rescue likely saved 1.14 million jobs and saved the government $28.6 billion in lost tax revenue. And those estimates, McAlinden said, are likely conservative.

If that’s true, it means that the cost of the auto bailout, in taxpayer terms, still isn’t quite as high as the cost of not bailing out Detroit would have been.