Reid v. Romney Tax Returns

[Dugout DickStone]

Anyone who doesn't think the dems blew Mitt's brain out on this isn't paying attention.  It's not a huge issue but his freak out makes it worse.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Yes.  Every person that has ever run for president was completely clean and had absolutely nothing to hide in the past.  That's why Obama's first act of president was an executive order to have his personal information locked and sealed.

  link?

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/2009-obama.html

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2009-01-26/pdf/E9-1712.pdf

didn't read, but I'm pretty sure that says just about the opposite of what you think it says

That doesn't concern his personal records, only presidential records of his and former presidents. I don't think any of his personal records have been sealed, they are simply confidential and he won't release them, similar to tax returns.

[husserl]

Yes.  Every person that has ever run for president was completely clean and had absolutely nothing to hide in the past.  That's why Obama's first act of president was an executive order to have his personal information locked and sealed.

  link?

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/2009-obama.html

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2009-01-26/pdf/E9-1712.pdf

didn't read, but I'm pretty sure that says just about the opposite of what you think it says

That doesn't concern his personal records, only presidential records of his and former presidents. I don't think any of his personal records have been sealed, they are simply confidential and he won't release them, similar to tax returns.

yes. it also doesn't lock and seal anything.

President Ronald Reagan signed Executive Order 12667 on January 18, 1989, authorizing the United States Archivist to release presidential records for past presidents and for future presidents who did not object within 30 days of notification of release. Executive Order 12667 was in effect until November 5, 2001, when President George W. Bush signed Executive Order 13233, revoking it. The Bush order made presidential records unavailable for 12 years following the end of a presidency and extended the notification period from 30 days to 90 days.

President Obama’s Executive Order 13489 revoked Bush’s order and substantively reinstated Reagan’s, thereby expanding access to presidential records, rather than narrowing it, as Birthers choose to think.

[HeinBallz]

My bad for not looking more into it.  But my point remains that  all politicians have things they hide- Romney is no different.


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[john "teach me how to" dougie]

My bad for not looking more into it.  But my point remains that  all politicians have things they hide- Romney is no different.

Yes, I think everyone has something they would like to hide if they ever ran for office. In these times of instant and easy information gathering, we are going to need to get over presidents not being perfect. At some point, there won't be anyone that hasn't abused drugs, gotten a face tattoo, ear lobe gauges, killed a drifter, etc. Romney will seem like a really rich alter boy that was never raped.

[michigancat]

Apparently "nobody smart" realizes that there are jail time implications involved with this.   This isn't some trolling experiment - there's a reason Romney cares, very much, about this.

meh. I think he's just scared shitless of showing the world how rich he is and how small amount of taxes he paid relative to that richness.  it's a built in campaign commercial for obama.

Everyone knows he's loaded and no one cares.

it's not being loaded he's scared of.  it's the relative amount of taxes he paid he's scared of. 

whatevs obamabot

[Rage Against the McKee]

 



Romney's campaign is a train wreck.

[michigancat]

Romney's campaign is a train wreck.

that was his press secretary?

[Rage Against the McKee]

Romney's campaign is a train wreck.

that was his press secretary?

Yeah. I don't think she will be for much longer, though.

[bubbles4ksu]

Romney's campaign is a train wreck.

that was his press secretary?

how shallow is the person who decided to put that bimbo southerner up there? (not saying it was romney, it probably wasn't)

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Romney's campaign is a train wreck.

Just horrible. McCain campaign all over again.

[HeinBallz]

That summarizes perfectly how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) Romney supporters are. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

That summarizes perfectly how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) Romney supporters are.

If it were just a supporter, it wouldn't be a big deal. This is his press secretary.

[HeinBallz]

My point exactly - how, as a supporter, can you still want to vote for Romney when his own press secretary's only come back to a bunk Obama attack ad is:  "Romneycare would fix it!"   Kind of surprised she didn't slip and call it "Obamacare".

[sonofdaxjones]

U6 still off the chartes, wholesale orders plummetting, Manufacturing sector moving back down, wars all over the world, Patriot Act still in place (with more teeth), indefinite detention, Gitmo still welcoming guests, Croony Capitalism . . . Man, I wonder what Romney's 2003 Tax Return looks like?

(note: not that big a fan of Romney)

Maybe the DOE can give another taxpayer loan to a foreign company, or a failing "green" energy clusterf_ck.

[HeinBallz]

U6 still off the chartes, wholesale orders plummetting, Manufacturing sector moving back down, wars all over the world, Patriot Act still in place (with more teeth), indefinite detention, Gitmo still welcoming guests, Croony Capitalism . . . Man, I wonder what Romney's 2003 Tax Return looks like?

Here's the difference.  People KNOW Obama will continue these shitty policies and people are HOPING that Romney won't - although if you're paying attention you can find several instances where Romney publicly agrees with Obama on nearly all of those issues. 

[sonofdaxjones]

U6 still off the chartes, wholesale orders plummetting, Manufacturing sector moving back down, wars all over the world, Patriot Act still in place (with more teeth), indefinite detention, Gitmo still welcoming guests, Croony Capitalism . . . Man, I wonder what Romney's 2003 Tax Return looks like?

Here's the difference.  People KNOW Obama will continue these shitty policies and people are HOPING that Romney won't - although if you're paying attention you can find several instances where Romney publicly agrees with Obama on nearly all of those issues. 

That's why the left/right political paradigm in the United States is a joke.   Once inside the beltway it's just the same thing with slight variations.

But in Obama's case, you can understand why they're making a big deal out of Romney's tax return given we're headed to 42 straight months of 8 plus % unemployment.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

U6 still off the chartes, wholesale orders plummetting, Manufacturing sector moving back down, wars all over the world, Patriot Act still in place (with more teeth), indefinite detention, Gitmo still welcoming guests, Croony Capitalism . . . Man, I wonder what Romney's 2003 Tax Return looks like?

Here's the difference.  People KNOW Obama will continue these shitty policies and people are HOPING that Romney won't - although if you're paying attention you can find several instances where Romney publicly agrees with Obama on nearly all of those issues. 

This. We know Obama is on the wrong track and is certain to destroy the economy, which in turn will weaken national security. We have two realistic options, and one has proven himself ineffective over the last 3-4 years. It's time to let the other one try.

[HeinBallz]

This. We know Obama is on the wrong track and is certain to destroy the economy, which in turn will weaken national security. We have two realistic options, and one has proven himself ineffective over the last 3-4 years. It's time to let the other one try.

I, and thousands like myself who are now disenfranchised from our party, will NEVER vote for Romney, just as we will NEVER vote for Obama.  If Obama get's back in, It's the fault of the established republicans for giving us the choice of Shithead A or Shithead B.
 
I will not accept the status quo any longer and voting for Shithead A or B and "hoping" and "trying something different" is rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and Romney supporters are rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) for accepting this.

[Rage Against the McKee]

If you live in Kansas, it really doesn't matter who you vote for anyway, john "teach me how to" dougie. I will be voting for Johnson, but Romney will still carry the state by at least 20%.

[HeinBallz]

None of this would really matter if the Congress & Senate still meant anything.

[steve dave]

If you live in Kansas, it really doesn't matter who you vote for anyway, john "teach me how to" dougie. I will be voting for Johnson, but Romney will still carry the state by at least 20%.

Nebraska and Maine FTW!

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

This. We know Obama is on the wrong track and is certain to destroy the economy, which in turn will weaken national security. We have two realistic options, and one has proven himself ineffective over the last 3-4 years. It's time to let the other one try.

I, and thousands like myself who are now disenfranchised from our party, will NEVER vote for Romney, just as we will NEVER vote for Obama.  If Obama get's back in, It's the fault of the established republicans for giving us the choice of Shithead A or Shithead B.
 
I will not accept the status quo any longer and voting for Shithead A or B and "hoping" and "trying something different" is rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and Romney supporters are rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) for accepting this.

Shithead C's don't vote as a protest against A and B because their guy didn't make the cut. You have more in common with either A or B, and you should vote for that one.

Spend the next 4 years working on getting your guy in a position to run next time and stop whining.

[OK_Cat]

This. We know Obama is on the wrong track and is certain to destroy the economy, which in turn will weaken national security. We have two realistic options, and one has proven himself ineffective over the last 3-4 years. It's time to let the other one try.

I, and thousands like myself who are now disenfranchised from our party, will NEVER vote for Romney, just as we will NEVER vote for Obama.  If Obama get's back in, It's the fault of the established republicans for giving us the choice of Shithead A or Shithead B.
 
I will not accept the status quo any longer and voting for Shithead A or B and "hoping" and "trying something different" is rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and Romney supporters are rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) for accepting this.

Shithead C's don't vote as a protest against A and B because their guy didn't make the cut. You have more in common with either A or B, and you should vote for that one.

Spend the next 4 years working on getting your guy in a position to run next time and stop whining.

 

[Rage Against the McKee]

This. We know Obama is on the wrong track and is certain to destroy the economy, which in turn will weaken national security. We have two realistic options, and one has proven himself ineffective over the last 3-4 years. It's time to let the other one try.

I, and thousands like myself who are now disenfranchised from our party, will NEVER vote for Romney, just as we will NEVER vote for Obama.  If Obama get's back in, It's the fault of the established republicans for giving us the choice of Shithead A or Shithead B.
 
I will not accept the status quo any longer and voting for Shithead A or B and "hoping" and "trying something different" is rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and Romney supporters are rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) for accepting this.

Shithead C's don't vote as a protest against A and B because their guy didn't make the cut. You have more in common with either A or B, and you should vote for that one.

Spend the next 4 years working on getting your guy in a position to run next time and stop whining.

I could write my own name in and have roughly the same chance that Obama has of winning Kansas, though. Does that mean that everyone should just vote Romney because he is the only candidate with a realistic shot?