Aurora Shooting

[michigancat]

Fox News cinci i think... Ben Swann... asks the real questions about the shooting

LOL, that was great.

I understand that criminals who plan out crimes will still take their guns with them and all, but I don't really think people with concealed carry licenses are going to go out and stop those crimes. The only thing that is accomplished by allowing concealed carry, imo, is facilitating "crimes of passion" and other retaliatory killings that would not have otherwise occurred if we didn't allow nut jobs to tuck their pistol into their pants everywhere they go.

What about the people that aren't nut jobs?  Why should they not be able to protect themselves?  And really, you don't think CCL has stopped any crimes?  If you're suggesting it's not publicized in the media I agree, but that doesn't negate those events from actually happening. How else would you explain that in the decade since the year 2000, violent crime rates fell by 20 percent; aggravated assault by 22 percent; motor vehicle theft by 42 percent; murder – by all weapons – by 13 percent?  I also find it odd that events such as Aurora Colorado always occur in places that have "No Concealed Carry Allowed" signs plastered all over the front doors.

Do you not think people that would commit a crime of passion are not already carrying - illegally? Even if they aren't - I doubt they could cool off quicker than going home & grabbing a gun.

Look, people that have a CCL want to keep their CCL.  There are educated on what is and isn't legal and they are not about to do something stupid and lose their CCL.  The people you're talking about, were already carrying before CCL was around.  Are you aware that Open carry is legal in many states? Do you have a problem with that?

The way I see it, you're either A: Eliminate ALL guns (handguns/shotguns/rifles/etc.)  or B: Do not restrict Gun rights in any manor.  I feel very strongly that eliminating all guns would be extremely impossible, highly short sighted, & very ineffective.  Gun restrictions in any kind don't seem to achieve much either - Look at Chicago.

Roe vs. Wade led to the drop in crime. source: freakonomics

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I decided I didn't want to tuck my gun in my pants pointed at my ball, and I haven't found a holster yet.  My hands getting pretty cramped holding this revolver all day to make it's "open" to everyone.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I understand that criminals who plan out crimes will still take their guns with them and all, but I don't really think people with concealed carry licenses are going to go out and stop those crimes. The only thing that is accomplished by allowing concealed carry, imo, is facilitating "crimes of passion" and other retaliatory killings that would not have otherwise occurred if we didn't allow nut jobs to tuck their pistol into their pants everywhere they go.

What about the people that aren't nut jobs?  Why should they not be able to protect themselves?  And really, you don't think CCL has stopped any crimes?  If you're suggesting it's not publicized in the media I agree, but that doesn't negate those events from actually happening. How else would you explain that in the decade since the year 2000, violent crime rates fell by 20 percent; aggravated assault by 22 percent; motor vehicle theft by 42 percent; murder – by all weapons – by 13 percent?  I also find it odd that events such as Aurora Colorado always occur in places that have "No Concealed Carry Allowed" signs plastered all over the front doors.

Do you not think people that would commit a crime of passion are not already carrying - illegally? Even if they aren't - I doubt they could cool off quicker than going home & grabbing a gun.

Look, people that have a CCL want to keep their CCL.  There are educated on what is and isn't legal and they are not about to do something stupid and lose their CCL.  The people you're talking about, were already carrying before CCL was around.  Are you aware that Open carry is legal in many states? Do you have a problem with that?

The way I see it, you're either A: Eliminate ALL guns (handguns/shotguns/rifles/etc.)  or B: Do not restrict Gun rights in any manor.  I feel very strongly that eliminating all guns would be extremely impossible, highly short sighted, & very ineffective.  Gun restrictions in any kind don't seem to achieve much either - Look at Chicago.

Why would a man who would commit a crime of passion be carrying a firearm illegally? He's not planning the crime, so why would he be carrying around a gun that if he gets caught with, would cost him a heavy fine or jail time?

I certainly wouldn't attribute reduced crime rates to concealed carry laws. I don't have a problem with open carry because that allows me to see who the nut jobs are and steer clear.

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I don't have a problem with open carry because that allows me to see who the nut jobs are and steer clear.

 

[HeinBallz]

Roe vs. Wade led to the drop in crime. source: freakonomics

Now that I will agree with - All that's left is to allow CCL holders to pick off the rest.

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

I decided I didn't want to tuck my gun in my pants pointed at my ball, and I haven't found a holster yet.  My hands getting pretty cramped holding this revolver all day to make it's "open" to everyone.

Could be wrong about this but I think in some (maybe all) states you have to have a holster to carry. Be careful, Trim!!

[Rage Against the McKee]

Here are a few examples, HeinBallz.

When Mario Little walked in on his girlfriend having sexual relations with another man, he threw her face through the sink. That was horrible and could have killed her, but had he been carrying a concealed firearm, he very well could have pulled it out and shot both her and the dude.

If George Zimmerman is not carrying a concealed firearm, both he and Trayvon Martin are still alive.

If any of Trim's chokeout victims are carrying a concealed weapon, Trim is probably no longer with us.

[HeinBallz]

Why would a man who would commit a crime of passion be carrying a firearm illegally? He's not planning the crime, so why would he be carrying around a gun that if he gets caught with, would cost him a heavy fine or jail time?

 

Every gun owner I know was carrying before CCL's came about. The ones that weren't nut jobs got a CCL - the others didn't want to spend the $100 for the class or let the 'gubment know they had a gun for when Obama announced martial law and they came to take everyone's guns.   Aside from that, who really gives a eff about crimes of passion?  What are you trying to achieve? World Peace?  If some dude is nailing my wife, I can live with the jail time and I doubt anyone would miss guys like fanning.

I certainly wouldn't attribute reduced crime rates to concealed carry laws. I don't have a problem with open carry because that allows me to see who the nut jobs are and steer clear.

I steer clear from those same nut jobs by being a decent human being and not a rough ridin' dick head.  What are you worried about, flipping off some guy in traffic and getting blasted?  Here's an idea for you, stop being a dick head that people would want to shoot.

[kstatefreak42]

Trayvon MArtin is not the victim here.

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I decided I didn't want to tuck my gun in my pants pointed at my ball, and I haven't found a holster yet.  My hands getting pretty cramped holding this revolver all day to make it's "open" to everyone.

Could be wrong about this but I think in some (maybe all) states you have to have a holster to carry. Be careful, Trim!!

Well then that pic that came with the Wichita open-carry article is very misleading.

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If any of Trim's chokeout victims are carrying a concealed weapon, Trim is probably no longer with us.

Denied.  Chokeout victims become completely paralyzed with shock and are unable to use their 2 free arms.

[HeinBallz]

Here are a few examples, HeinBallz.

When Mario Little walked in on his girlfriend having sexual relations with another man, he threw her face through the sink. That was horrible and could have killed her, but had he been carrying a concealed firearm, he very well could have pulled it out and shot both her and the dude.

If George Zimmerman is not carrying a concealed firearm, both he and Trayvon Martin are still alive.

If any of Trim's chokeout victims are carrying a concealed weapon, Trim is probably no longer with us.

Mario Little isn't about to get a CCL.  Any dude that would throw his girlfriends face through a sink isn't worried about being legal when he carries his piece.  Zimmerman is a sad deal - you care because you hear about it every 3 days.  What you don't care about is the countless instances that a CCL holder stopped a rape/assault/theft/murder.

I don't know Trim personally, but judging from his bbs persona, he is probably skilled enough to choke out someone then disarm them without a shot being fired... also, Trim is probably choking out the type of dude that wouldn't get a CCL for fear that Obama is going to put him on a terrorist list.

[HeinBallz]

Trayvon MArtin is not the victim here.

The story hasn't entirely come out.  Please refrain from casting judgement on either involved party.

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I don't know Trim personally, but judging from his bbs persona, he is probably skilled enough to choke out someone then disarm them without a shot being fired... also, Trim is probably choking out the type of dude that wouldn't get a CCL for fear that Obama is going to put him on a terrorist list.

Squawks?

[michigancat]

'gubment

[HeinBallz]

I don't know Trim personally, but judging from his bbs persona, he is probably skilled enough to choke out someone then disarm them without a shot being fired... also, Trim is probably choking out the type of dude that wouldn't get a CCL for fear that Obama is going to put him on a terrorist list.

Squawks?

 

[Rage Against the McKee]

Almost all gun owners that I know simply keep them in a safe in their house and only remove them if they have some reason to protect themselves or if they are going hunting. I only know a few people who are frightened of the world enough to carry around a gun with no intention of using it, and those people all have concealed carry licenses. I don't know anybody who carries around a concealed weapon without a license, and I would quickly disassociate myself from anybody who does.

[HeinBallz]

'gubment

yeah, that was 2nd person speak... I was going for 'tard... did that translate well?

[Rage Against the McKee]

Trayvon MArtin is not the victim here.

The story hasn't entirely come out.  Please refrain from casting judgement on either involved party.

Regardless of the facts that have not yet come out regarding Zimmerman's guilt or innocence, if Zimmerman doesn't have a gun, both parties are still alive. I believe GZ probably thought his life was in danger because he is a fearful man who carries a gun with him everywhere he goes. I don't think his life was truly in danger, though.

[michigancat]

'gubment

yeah, that was 2nd person speak... I was going for 'tard... did that translate well?

no

[HeinBallz]

Almost all gun owners that I know simply keep them in a safe in their house and only remove them if they have some reason to protect themselves or if they are going hunting. I only know a few people who are frightened of the world enough to carry around a gun with no intention of using it, and those people all have concealed carry licenses. I don't know anybody who carries around a concealed weapon without a license, and I would quickly disassociate myself from anybody who does.

Well then I have to ask - where do you obtain this "nut-job" insight that you keep speaking of?  Sounds like all of the gun owners you know are fairly responsible. 

[HeinBallz]

Trayvon MArtin is not the victim here.

The story hasn't entirely come out.  Please refrain from casting judgement on either involved party.

Regardless of the facts that have not yet come out regarding Zimmerman's guilt or innocence, if Zimmerman doesn't have a gun, both parties are still alive. I believe GZ probably thought his life was in danger because he is a fearful man who carries a gun with him everywhere he goes. I don't think his life was truly in danger, though.

I wasn't talking to you.   THIS was my rebuttal:

Zimmerman is a sad deal - you care because you hear about it every 3 days.  What you don't care about is the countless instances that a CCL holder stopped a rape/assault/theft/murder.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Mario Little isn't about to get a CCL.

Sure he isn't now, but before this incident, on what grounds would he have been denied?

[Rage Against the McKee]

Almost all gun owners that I know simply keep them in a safe in their house and only remove them if they have some reason to protect themselves or if they are going hunting. I only know a few people who are frightened of the world enough to carry around a gun with no intention of using it, and those people all have concealed carry licenses. I don't know anybody who carries around a concealed weapon without a license, and I would quickly disassociate myself from anybody who does.

Well then I have to ask - where do you obtain this "nut-job" insight that you keep speaking of?  Sounds like all of the gun owners you know are fairly responsible.

I just think that anybody who feels the need to pack heat when they go to the supermarket is a little bit crazy.

[HeinBallz]

'gubment

yeah, that was 2nd person speak... I was going for 'tard... did that translate well?

no

My sincerest apologies.   For anyone else that may have thought those were my words imagine a powerespect/redneck talking when you read this:

The ones that weren't nut jobs got a CCL - the others didn't want to spend the $100 for the class or let the 'gubment know they had a gun for when Obama announced martial law and they came to take everyone's guns.