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« Reply #325 on: July 28, 2012, 05:33:30 PM »
Question: what's the difference between a guy with a 1 shot musket vs. an unarmed man and a guy with an AR15 vs an unarmed man?

Answer: absolutely nothing.


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Re: Aurora Shooting
« Reply #326 on: July 28, 2012, 05:39:45 PM »
Question: what's the difference between a guy with a 1 shot musket vs. an unarmed man and a guy with an AR15 vs an unarmed man?

Answer: absolutely nothing.


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1. Depends how close musket guy is to his target.

2. That's kind of irrelevant.


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« Reply #327 on: July 28, 2012, 06:04:55 PM »

2. That's kind of irrelevant.

So is any argument made after someone states that the 2nd amendment was for self protection and implying that a newly formed republic that had just liberated themselves from a tyrannical government would prohibit their citizens from owning anything that could efficiently prevent a future tyrannical government from ruling their lives.

Lol at thinking the constitution is about anything but protecting the PEOPLE'S rights.


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« Reply #328 on: July 28, 2012, 06:12:29 PM »
If it happened, it would be crazy enough to make headlines.  This thread has devolved enough anyways.  If you want to get into media conspiracies, we need to DK it.  Probably need to anyways....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1310439/Man-defended-home-gang-firing-AK47-arrested.html


http://www.newschannel5.com/story/17595261/police-shooting-of-home-intruder-was-self-defense




This one isn't about assault rifles, but it does involve a Chicago man potentially being prosecuted after it was discovered he owned a gun (which is illegal in Chicago) when he killed a bugler who had shot at him.

http://www.learnaboutguns.com/2010/05/28/armed-chicago-man-defends-himself-against-a-violent-burlgar/


There's probably more, but This was all I could find in the first 2 pages of google searching.   


Only one of those seemed like the fact that it was an assualt rifle made any difference.  The rest, a musket would've sufficed.  I am pro-Dlew musket law.

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Re: Aurora Shooting
« Reply #329 on: July 28, 2012, 06:12:42 PM »
A lot of the edginess Emily saw in Jef after the hometown dates was derived from watching him shoot off his guns, so factor that into all this.

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Re: Aurora Shooting
« Reply #330 on: July 28, 2012, 06:22:29 PM »
So is any argument made after someone states that the 2nd amendment was for self protection and implying that a newly formed republic that had just liberated themselves from a tyrannical government would prohibit their citizens from owning anything that could efficiently prevent a future tyrannical government from ruling their lives.
I think I see your point. 

Do you think it sounds maybe a little bit crazy in 2012 for people to buy guns in order to defend themselves against a hypothetical future tyrannical government?

I would think so.  After typing it all out, it sounds a little bit crazy to me.
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« Reply #331 on: July 28, 2012, 06:25:42 PM »
There is no good reason for a private citizen to have a semi-auto weapon.

There is no good reason to think taking them away will change anything.


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Of course there is. making handguns harder to obtain would ultimately lead to fewer shooting deaths.

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« Reply #332 on: July 28, 2012, 06:37:06 PM »


Of course there is. making handguns harder to obtain would ultimately lead to fewer shooting deaths.

you'd think that.  but the stats say different. 

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« Reply #333 on: July 28, 2012, 06:39:47 PM »


Of course there is. making handguns harder to obtain would ultimately lead to fewer shooting deaths.

you'd think that.  but the stats say different.
i bet they don't.


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« Reply #334 on: July 28, 2012, 06:39:53 PM »


Of course there is. making handguns harder to obtain would ultimately lead to fewer shooting deaths.

you'd think that.  but the stats say different.

Which stats?

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Re: Aurora Shooting
« Reply #335 on: July 28, 2012, 06:42:59 PM »

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Re: Aurora Shooting
« Reply #336 on: July 28, 2012, 06:45:39 PM »
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« Reply #337 on: July 28, 2012, 06:47:54 PM »
hardly anyone gots shot to death.  people are such rough ridin' cowards.
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« Reply #338 on: July 28, 2012, 07:04:57 PM »
So is any argument made after someone states that the 2nd amendment was for self protection and implying that a newly formed republic that had just liberated themselves from a tyrannical government would prohibit their citizens from owning anything that could efficiently prevent a future tyrannical government from ruling their lives.
I think I see your point. 

Do you think it sounds maybe a little bit crazy in 2012 for people to buy guns in order to defend themselves against a hypothetical future tyrannical government?

I would think so.  After typing it all out, it sounds a little bit crazy to me.

Do you think it's crazy that president had an American 16 year old boy assassinated because his father was suspected of being a terrorist?


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Re: Aurora Shooting
« Reply #339 on: July 28, 2012, 07:44:32 PM »
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Just consider a few statistics: Five years before the D.C. Council banned nearly all firearms in 1976, the District’s murder rate fell from 37 to 27 per 100,000 people. In the five years after 1976, the murder rate rose to 35 per 100,000 people. Between 1976 and 1991, the D.C. homicide rate rose 200 percent. The national homicide rate during the same 15-year period rose just 12 percent.


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Re: Aurora Shooting
« Reply #340 on: July 28, 2012, 08:01:43 PM »
CF3, you just quoted un-cited statistics from an op-ed against a ban on handguns.

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Re: Aurora Shooting
« Reply #341 on: July 28, 2012, 08:02:09 PM »
If it happened, it would be crazy enough to make headlines.  This thread has devolved enough anyways.  If you want to get into media conspiracies, we need to DK it.  Probably need to anyways....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1310439/Man-defended-home-gang-firing-AK47-arrested.html


http://www.newschannel5.com/story/17595261/police-shooting-of-home-intruder-was-self-defense




This one isn't about assault rifles, but it does involve a Chicago man potentially being prosecuted after it was discovered he owned a gun (which is illegal in Chicago) when he killed a bugler who had shot at him.

http://www.learnaboutguns.com/2010/05/28/armed-chicago-man-defends-himself-against-a-violent-burlgar/


There's probably more, but This was all I could find in the first 2 pages of google searching.   


Only one of those seemed like the fact that it was an assualt rifle made any difference.  The rest, a musket would've sufficed.  I am pro-Dlew musket law.

You know, this term assault rifle keeps being thrown out there - which I'm guilty of myself...  But seriously, no one has yet to make a clear distinction as to exactly what makes a gun an assault weapon? 

Can someone anti-assault weapon please clarify?
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Re: Aurora Shooting
« Reply #342 on: July 29, 2012, 10:13:52 AM »
I admire Heinballz stick-to-it-ness.  Keep doing your thing HBz.
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Re: Aurora Shooting
« Reply #343 on: July 29, 2012, 03:28:26 PM »
I have to say that anytime somebody uses the "We can't just do nothing" argument, especially on an either or proposition, I hate it.

it's especially stupid here.  "if we do nothing, 0.0001% more people may be killed by guns than if we do something."  seven billion people; who gives a eff?
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« Reply #344 on: July 29, 2012, 05:28:29 PM »
Obesity kills more people and I certainly don't give a eff.


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Re: Aurora Shooting
« Reply #345 on: July 29, 2012, 06:54:04 PM »
LOL at wasting a day going through concealed carry class.  I'm taking my suit pants to the tailor to get them let out a bit and rolling like this here in the ICT.



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« Reply #346 on: July 30, 2012, 02:41:08 PM »
I understand that criminals who plan out crimes will still take their guns with them and all, but I don't really think people with concealed carry licenses are going to go out and stop those crimes. The only thing that is accomplished by allowing concealed carry, imo, is facilitating "crimes of passion" and other retaliatory killings that would not have otherwise occurred if we didn't allow nut jobs to tuck their pistol into their pants everywhere they go.

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Re: Aurora Shooting
« Reply #347 on: July 30, 2012, 03:23:38 PM »
I went to Israel about a year ago.  EVERYONE has a gun there.  EVERYONE.  Felt safe the whole time.*   :dunno:






*Not implying that everyone in USA having a gun would make us safer.  People in Israel seemed more level headed.

Israel is not safe at all.

Violent death rate is less than half of the US.

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Re: Aurora Shooting
« Reply #348 on: July 30, 2012, 03:40:09 PM »
Making Statism Unpopular


Kills 12 in a movie theater with an assault rifle --------> Everyone Freaks out

Kills thousands with his foreign policy---------> Wins Nobel Peace Prize?

Fox News cinci i think... Ben Swann... asks the real questions about the shooting

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Re: Aurora Shooting
« Reply #349 on: July 30, 2012, 03:50:23 PM »
I understand that criminals who plan out crimes will still take their guns with them and all, but I don't really think people with concealed carry licenses are going to go out and stop those crimes. The only thing that is accomplished by allowing concealed carry, imo, is facilitating "crimes of passion" and other retaliatory killings that would not have otherwise occurred if we didn't allow nut jobs to tuck their pistol into their pants everywhere they go.

What about the people that aren't nut jobs?  Why should they not be able to protect themselves?  And really, you don't think CCL has stopped any crimes?  If you're suggesting it's not publicized in the media I agree, but that doesn't negate those events from actually happening. How else would you explain that in the decade since the year 2000, violent crime rates fell by 20 percent; aggravated assault by 22 percent; motor vehicle theft by 42 percent; murder – by all weapons – by 13 percent?  I also find it odd that events such as Aurora Colorado always occur in places that have "No Concealed Carry Allowed" signs plastered all over the front doors.

Do you not think people that would commit a crime of passion are not already carrying - illegally? Even if they aren't - I doubt they could cool off quicker than going home & grabbing a gun.

Look, people that have a CCL want to keep their CCL.  There are educated on what is and isn't legal and they are not about to do something stupid and lose their CCL.  The people you're talking about, were already carrying before CCL was around.  Are you aware that Open carry is legal in many states? Do you have a problem with that?

The way I see it, you're either A: Eliminate ALL guns (handguns/shotguns/rifles/etc.)  or B: Do not restrict Gun rights in any manor.  I feel very strongly that eliminating all guns would be extremely impossible, highly short sighted, & very ineffective.  Gun restrictions in any kind don't seem to achieve much either - Look at Chicago.
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