Aurora Shooting

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So to the gun nut d00dz here: where do you stand on banning things like assault rifles or whatever, but keeping handguns legal? Is that a compromise you'd be willing to make?



Also, this is only tangentially related but it is super awesome so here you go. My friend went to Thailand and he went to a gun range place on some guy's farm where you can pay $50 to shoot a bazooka and an extra $50 to shoot that bazooka all the way across the field and try to hit a cow! 

 

That sounds like a brilliant marketing scheme. Everyone that walks up pays the $50 to shoot a bazooka. Image now getting in a winding line of people that you cannot see the end of. After 20 minutes of slowly making your way up and trying to contain your boner every time you here a bazooka being shot, you come to a Y in road. There is a guy there who says, while pointing to the branch of the Y that has nobody in it, "You can go that way to shoot a bazooka," and then while pointing to the line in the other branch, "or, you can pay an extra $50 and shoot that bazooka at a cow. What's it gonna be?"
You've waited this long, you have completely forgotten about already paying them $50. There is no way you don't pay the extra $50 and shoot at that cow. No way.

Also, no compromise on assault rifles. That entire argument is just the anti-gun crowd trying to boil a frog alive.

[mocat]

is an AR-15 an assault rifle? honest question.
I always thought the AR stood for Assault Rifle.
You can buy them at Cabela's.

[Emo EMAW]

is an AR-15 an assault rifle? honest question.
I always thought the AR stood for Assault Rifle.
You can buy them at Cabela's.

I think the anti-gun people think that I shouldn't have an AR, if that's what you're asking.

[8manpick]

At my house, I have a .22 under my bed, and my brother has a 12 gauge in his closet.  That said, when the 2nd amendment was written, the revolver hadn't been invented.  I enjoy hunting and do it several times a year, but that said, the gun lobby is ridiculous.  In 1791, if you needed to protect your house and family from some government entity, be it our own, or the British, or whoever, with your rifle you might have been able to. Currently that isn't even in the picture, IDGAF how many assault rifles you have.  The only people I know who have concealed carry permits, I would rather they didn't, and it certainly doesn't make me feel safer that they do.

[puniraptor]

is an AR-15 an assault rifle? honest question.
I always thought the AR stood for Assault Rifle.
You can buy them at Cabela's.

I think the anti-gun people think that I shouldn't have an AR, if that's what you're asking.

Technically, it is not an assault rifle, which must be fully auto. It is an assault weapon though....

thanks wikipedia.

[HeinBallz]

You're missing the point entirely.  These liberal douchebags that everyone is begging to ban assault rifles don't know crap about guns.  The legislature does not define what determines an assault rifle in accordance with the internal mechanism.  They defined it by literally going through a gun catalog and listing them by name according to what "looked" like a scary gun.   So essentially, when assault rifles were made illegal, if you had a .22 caliber rifle, dressed up to look like an M16, it would have been made illegal.   On top of that, the law reads the guns by name, which doesn't prevent a gun maker from simply changing the name of their gun.   

Knowing this, what exactly makes an AR-15 an assault rifle?  Aesthetics?   Because mechanically, there really isn't much difference between an AR-15 and a high powered hand gun with a high capacity clip.  People hear the word assault rifle and think of a gun that performs like a military issue gun - when in fact you CANNOT purchase a weapon that performs like a military issue.  Everyone is going ape-crap about the 100 round drum, but honestly a .45 hand gun & 10 loaded clips with hollow pointed rounds strapped to your belt would have a more reliable performance, and be a crap load more dangerous.  Not to mention, he started this whole assault with a rough ridin' shot gun.  Exactly WHAT are you going to prevent this guy from doing?  Banning the purchase of ALL guns?  Dudes rough ridin' crazy - strict gun laws don't prevent crazy.

[SkinnyBenny]

At my house, I have a .22 under my bed, and my brother has a 12 gauge in his closet.  That said, when the 2nd amendment was written, the revolver hadn't been invented.  I enjoy hunting and do it several times a year, but that said, the gun lobby is ridiculous.  In 1791, if you needed to protect your house and family from some government entity, be it our own, or the British, or whoever, with your rifle you might have been able to. Currently that isn't even in the picture, IDGAF how many assault rifles you have.  The only people I know who have concealed carry permits, I would rather they didn't, and it certainly doesn't make me feel safer that they do.

8manpick, you are not missing the point entirely despite what HeinzBalls says. Seems like you get it and take a rational approach to all of this. "But the second amendment!" "Uhhhhh, the revolver didn't exist when the second amendment was invented."  <---nice work.

Also, you know what would've saved more lives in the Aurora movie theater than concealed carry?

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You could make something from the contents out of the avg Home Depot that, if used inside a theater, would kill large quantities of people.  Should we ban hardware?

Also, maybe if everyone was thoroughly trained on hardware store weaponry and given a Home Depot card with low interest rate, we would all be safer? 

The question is, are you man enough to use your Home Depot card in such a way to draw the other Home Depot card guy's attention long enough so that everyone else can get away? 

[HeinBallz]

At my house, I have a .22 under my bed, and my brother has a 12 gauge in his closet.  That said, when the 2nd amendment was written, the revolver hadn't been invented.  I enjoy hunting and do it several times a year, but that said, the gun lobby is ridiculous.  In 1791, if you needed to protect your house and family from some government entity, be it our own, or the British, or whoever, with your rifle you might have been able to. Currently that isn't even in the picture, IDGAF how many assault rifles you have.  The only people I know who have concealed carry permits, I would rather they didn't, and it certainly doesn't make me feel safer that they do.

ICE T disagrees with you.

[HeinBallz]

Also, you know what would've saved more lives in the Aurora movie theater than concealed carry?

Exactly WHAT are you going to prevent this guy from doing?  Banning the purchase of ALL guns?  Dudes rough ridin' crazy - strict gun laws don't prevent crazy.

[8manpick]

You could make something from the contents out of the avg Home Depot that, if used inside a theater, would kill large quantities of people.  Should we ban hardware?

Also, maybe if everyone was thoroughly trained on hardware store weaponry and given a Home Depot card with low interest rate, we would all be safer? 

The question is, are you man enough to use your Home Depot card in such a way to draw the other Home Depot card guy's attention long enough so that everyone else can get away?

Crazies gon' crazy, that won't change.  I'm confident that most people on this board could create a high powered explosive in under a week.  Those things also have legitimate uses.  Assault rifles have no legitimate use for civilians in society.

At my house, I have a .22 under my bed, and my brother has a 12 gauge in his closet.  That said, when the 2nd amendment was written, the revolver hadn't been invented.  I enjoy hunting and do it several times a year, but that said, the gun lobby is ridiculous.  In 1791, if you needed to protect your house and family from some government entity, be it our own, or the British, or whoever, with your rifle you might have been able to. Currently that isn't even in the picture, IDGAF how many assault rifles you have.  The only people I know who have concealed carry permits, I would rather they didn't, and it certainly doesn't make me feel safer that they do.

ICE T disagrees with you.

Abrams tanks and B-2 Bombers are going to laugh right in your AR-15's fat face.  This isn't some guys showing up to your farm on horseback.  The original reason for the second amendment is irrelevant today.  I don't think we should ban guns though.

[Emo EMAW]

You could make something from the contents out of the avg Home Depot that, if used inside a theater, would kill large quantities of people.  Should we ban hardware?

Also, maybe if everyone was thoroughly trained on hardware store weaponry and given a Home Depot card with low interest rate, we would all be safer? 

The question is, are you man enough to use your Home Depot card in such a way to draw the other Home Depot card guy's attention long enough so that everyone else can get away?

Crazies gon' crazy, that won't change.  I'm confident that most people on this board could create a high powered explosive in under a week.  Those things also have legitimate uses.  Assault rifles have no legitimate use for civilians in society.

At my house, I have a .22 under my bed, and my brother has a 12 gauge in his closet.  That said, when the 2nd amendment was written, the revolver hadn't been invented.  I enjoy hunting and do it several times a year, but that said, the gun lobby is ridiculous.  In 1791, if you needed to protect your house and family from some government entity, be it our own, or the British, or whoever, with your rifle you might have been able to. Currently that isn't even in the picture, IDGAF how many assault rifles you have.  The only people I know who have concealed carry permits, I would rather they didn't, and it certainly doesn't make me feel safer that they do.

ICE T disagrees with you.

Abrams tanks and B-2 Bombers are going to laugh right in your AR-15's fat face.  This isn't some guys showing up to your farm on horseback.  The original reason for the second amendment is irrelevant today.  I don't think we should ban guns though.

Don't be gaytarded.

Imagine the civil unrest it would create if an American (local, state, federal) government forcibly entered, skirmished with, killed/wounded, people that were living 100% legal lives.  Imagine if that same government dropped a rough ridin' bomb on someone's house.

FTR, I believe private citizens should be able to own just about whatever weapon they can afford to own, be it howitzers or tanks or whatever.  The government should fear us.

[HeinBallz]

Abrams tanks and B-2 Bombers are going to laugh right in your AR-15's fat face.  This isn't some guys showing up to your farm on horseback.  The original reason for the second amendment is irrelevant today.  I don't think we should ban guns though.

But what's the point?  Unless you can explain to me how an "assault rifle" is more dangerous than a high powered hand gun with a high capacity clip?  How is this going to make anyone more safe in these instances?  In fact MORE people lived because he switched to the AR.  If he would have had another shot gun or a few more clips for his handgun instead of the AR, he could have killed MANY more. Anyone that disputes that needs to look into what an AR-15 is capable of doing, then compare to a high performance round you can buy for your average handgun.   

[8manpick]

Abrams tanks and B-2 Bombers are going to laugh right in your AR-15's fat face.  This isn't some guys showing up to your farm on horseback.  The original reason for the second amendment is irrelevant today.  I don't think we should ban guns though.

But what's the point?  Unless you can explain to me how an "assault rifle" is more dangerous than a high powered hand gun with a high capacity clip?  How is this going to make anyone more safe in these instances?  In fact MORE people lived because he switched to the AR.  If he would have had another shot gun or a few more clips for his handgun instead of the AR, he could have killed MANY more. Anyone that disputes that needs to look into what an AR-15 is capable of doing, then compare to a high performance round you can buy for your average handgun.   

But what's the point of what? 

I can't explain why it is more dangerous, so we probably shouldn't have high-powered handguns with high capacity clips either.  What are they good for other than killing people?  Seeing how close you can get to the middle of a target?  Getting your rocks off 'cause you're a tough guy shooting a gun?

Emo, I agree that the government should fear us, but I don't think that is plausible at this point.  It's a fantasy.

[OK_Cat]

guns serve no purpose.  people that own guns also watch nascar and dip.  <---- fact.

[HeinBallz]

Abrams tanks and B-2 Bombers are going to laugh right in your AR-15's fat face.  This isn't some guys showing up to your farm on horseback.  The original reason for the second amendment is irrelevant today.  I don't think we should ban guns though.

But what's the point?  Unless you can explain to me how an "assault rifle" is more dangerous than a high powered hand gun with a high capacity clip?  How is this going to make anyone more safe in these instances?  In fact MORE people lived because he switched to the AR.  If he would have had another shot gun or a few more clips for his handgun instead of the AR, he could have killed MANY more. Anyone that disputes that needs to look into what an AR-15 is capable of doing, then compare to a high performance round you can buy for your average handgun.   

But what's the point of what? 

I can't explain why it is more dangerous, so we probably shouldn't have high-powered handguns with high capacity clips either.  What are they good for other than killing people?  Seeing how close you can get to the middle of a target?  Getting your rocks off 'cause you're a tough guy shooting a gun?

Emo, I agree that the government should fear us, but I don't think that is plausible at this point.  It's a fantasy.

You know what they're good for?  Killing people.   That's all they're good for, and that's all they'll ever be good for.   Will removing ALL guns ever prevent someone from Killing?  No. 

There will always be some dude, bigger than you, faster than you, stronger than you.  There will always be greed.  There will always be corruption.  There will always be crime.  There will always be innocent people dieing for no reason.  IF society is what you're interested in changing, I suggest you focus on the reasons why one might become mentally ill or turn to gang violence or become a terrorist.  Because removing guns from the equation will not stop mentally illness, gangs or terrorist thriving within greed & corruption.  If you remove guns, you remove perfectly sane, rational, & intelligent peoples ability to protect themselves from the BTK's of the world. 

It's as simple as this, if you were being stalked by a deranged person capable of performing the most grotesque forms of torture on you or your loved ones, would you post a sign in front of your house stating "this is a gun free zone" ? 

If you think it's irrational to go to preventative measures for a disaster that occurs at a very small percentage and likely will never effect you, then why do you have smoke detectors in your house?

[Emo EMAW]

Abrams tanks and B-2 Bombers are going to laugh right in your AR-15's fat face.  This isn't some guys showing up to your farm on horseback.  The original reason for the second amendment is irrelevant today.  I don't think we should ban guns though.

But what's the point?  Unless you can explain to me how an "assault rifle" is more dangerous than a high powered hand gun with a high capacity clip?  How is this going to make anyone more safe in these instances?  In fact MORE people lived because he switched to the AR.  If he would have had another shot gun or a few more clips for his handgun instead of the AR, he could have killed MANY more. Anyone that disputes that needs to look into what an AR-15 is capable of doing, then compare to a high performance round you can buy for your average handgun.   

But what's the point of what? 

I can't explain why it is more dangerous, so we probably shouldn't have high-powered handguns with high capacity clips either.  What are they good for other than killing people?  Seeing how close you can get to the middle of a target?  Getting your rocks off 'cause you're a tough guy shooting a gun?

Emo, I agree that the government should fear us, but I don't think that is plausible at this point.  It's a fantasy.

Well shooting crap is just fun.  <--- tapout

[8manpick]

Abrams tanks and B-2 Bombers are going to laugh right in your AR-15's fat face.  This isn't some guys showing up to your farm on horseback.  The original reason for the second amendment is irrelevant today.  I don't think we should ban guns though.

But what's the point?  Unless you can explain to me how an "assault rifle" is more dangerous than a high powered hand gun with a high capacity clip?  How is this going to make anyone more safe in these instances?  In fact MORE people lived because he switched to the AR.  If he would have had another shot gun or a few more clips for his handgun instead of the AR, he could have killed MANY more. Anyone that disputes that needs to look into what an AR-15 is capable of doing, then compare to a high performance round you can buy for your average handgun.   

But what's the point of what? 

I can't explain why it is more dangerous, so we probably shouldn't have high-powered handguns with high capacity clips either.  What are they good for other than killing people?  Seeing how close you can get to the middle of a target?  Getting your rocks off 'cause you're a tough guy shooting a gun?

Emo, I agree that the government should fear us, but I don't think that is plausible at this point.  It's a fantasy.

It's as simple as this, if you were being stalked by a deranged person capable of performing the most grotesque forms of torture on you or your loved ones, would you post a sign in front of your house stating "this is a gun free zone" ? 

If you think it's irrational to go to preventative measures for a disaster that occurs at a very small percentage and likely will never effect you, then why do you have smoke detectors in your house?

No, at my house I would use my 12 gauge to protect myself and my family.  The problem is that high-capacity/automatic/assault rifles/whatever are basically good for shooting sprees and not much else.  An "assault rifle" isn't preventing any crime, it is either used for fun, or to commit crimes.  I obviously don't think the preventative measures are irrational, I have a gun and smoke detectors in my house.  I do not believe that all guns are preventative measures.

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A handgun holds what 8-12 rounds?
AR-15 holds 30 and you can shoot them as fast as your finger can pull the trigger, with a laser guide. One time I shot one at turtles in a pond, it was great.

[puniraptor]

A handgun holds what 8-12 rounds?
AR-15 holds 30 and you can shoot them as fast as your finger can pull the trigger, with a laser guide. One time I shot one at turtles in a pond, it was great.

Some missourians like to use them for blasting prairie dogs!

[HeinBallz]

A handgun holds what 8-12 rounds?
AR-15 holds 30 and you can shoot them as fast as your finger can pull the trigger, with a laser guide. One time I shot one at turtles in a pond, it was great.

I have a 9mm that holds 15 in the clip and 1 in the barrel.   8 clips are more reliable than a 100 round drum - as they're extremely likely to jam.


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[HeinBallz]

Abrams tanks and B-2 Bombers are going to laugh right in your AR-15's fat face.  This isn't some guys showing up to your farm on horseback.  The original reason for the second amendment is irrelevant today.  I don't think we should ban guns though.

But what's the point?  Unless you can explain to me how an "assault rifle" is more dangerous than a high powered hand gun with a high capacity clip?  How is this going to make anyone more safe in these instances?  In fact MORE people lived because he switched to the AR.  If he would have had another shot gun or a few more clips for his handgun instead of the AR, he could have killed MANY more. Anyone that disputes that needs to look into what an AR-15 is capable of doing, then compare to a high performance round you can buy for your average handgun.   

But what's the point of what? 

I can't explain why it is more dangerous, so we probably shouldn't have high-powered handguns with high capacity clips either.  What are they good for other than killing people?  Seeing how close you can get to the middle of a target?  Getting your rocks off 'cause you're a tough guy shooting a gun?

Emo, I agree that the government should fear us, but I don't think that is plausible at this point.  It's a fantasy.

It's as simple as this, if you were being stalked by a deranged person capable of performing the most grotesque forms of torture on you or your loved ones, would you post a sign in front of your house stating "this is a gun free zone" ? 

If you think it's irrational to go to preventative measures for a disaster that occurs at a very small percentage and likely will never effect you, then why do you have smoke detectors in your house?

No, at my house I would use my 12 gauge to protect myself and my family.  The problem is that high-capacity/automatic/assault rifles/whatever are basically good for shooting sprees and not much else.  An "assault rifle" isn't preventing any crime, it is either used for fun, or to commit crimes.  I obviously don't think the preventative measures are irrational, I have a gun and smoke detectors in my house.  I do not believe that all guns are preventative measures.

So you're arguing that a shotgun is okay because it can also be used for hunting, while a semi-automatic rifle that aestheticly looks dangerous, yet technically isn't much different than something you would shoot a deer with should be illegal...  Yet your preferred method of killing people (home defense) is the same as the aurora killers preferred weapon, a shot gun. 

Why do you refuse to acknowledge that the real issue here is mental illness and not guns?


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[CNS]

A handgun holds what 8-12 rounds?
AR-15 holds 30 and you can shoot them as fast as your finger can pull the trigger, with a laser guide. One time I shot one at turtles in a pond, it was great.

I have a 9mm that holds 15 in the clip and 1 in the barrel.   8 clips are more reliable than a 100 round drum - as they're extremely likely to jam.


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