Aurora Shooting

[michigancat]

NK, there is some combo that someone somewhere is in prison for that if committed against you and yours, you would want that person killed.

Promise.

This is like the gay marriage thing.  I don't think ppl personalize it enough to understand it. 

It isn't a question of person A killing person B.  It's an issue of your neighbor killing your daughter and what he deserves for such an act.

eff off, you don't know how he would react in that situation. I wouldn't want more people murdered just because they murdered someone I cared about. What the eff does that accomplish?

It's human nature.

it's also human nature to eff everything that walks. Do you eff everything that walks?

[Rage Against the McKee]

NK, there is some combo that someone somewhere is in prison for that if committed against you and yours, you would want that person killed.

Promise.

This is like the gay marriage thing.  I don't think ppl personalize it enough to understand it. 

It isn't a question of person A killing person B.  It's an issue of your neighbor killing your daughter and what he deserves for such an act.

What that person deserves is not the same thing as what I want the government to do. I don't support the death sentence because it's really nothing more than murdering a defenseless human.

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

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[CNS]

NK, there is some combo that someone somewhere is in prison for that if committed against you and yours, you would want that person killed.

Promise.

This is like the gay marriage thing.  I don't think ppl personalize it enough to understand it. 

It isn't a question of person A killing person B.  It's an issue of your neighbor killing your daughter and what he deserves for such an act.

eff off, you don't know how he would react in that situation. I wouldn't want more people murdered just because they murdered someone I cared about. What the eff does that accomplish?

It's human nature.

it's also human nature to eff everything that walks. Do you eff everything that walks?

No offense, but that is dumb.  I didn't say it was human nature to kill, I said it was human nature to want it for someone taking away something that is ultimately cherished. 

To relate it to your example, it would be like asking "Do you want to eff everything that walks?"

[420seriouscat69]

NK, there is some combo that someone somewhere is in prison for that if committed against you and yours, you would want that person killed.

Promise.

This is like the gay marriage thing.  I don't think ppl personalize it enough to understand it. 

It isn't a question of person A killing person B.  It's an issue of your neighbor killing your daughter and what he deserves for such an act.

eff off, you don't know how he would react in that situation. I wouldn't want more people murdered just because they murdered someone I cared about. What the eff does that accomplish?

It's human nature.

it's also human nature to eff everything that walks. Do you eff everything that walks?

This seems like bait to me. 

[CNS]

NK, there is some combo that someone somewhere is in prison for that if committed against you and yours, you would want that person killed.

Promise.

This is like the gay marriage thing.  I don't think ppl personalize it enough to understand it. 

It isn't a question of person A killing person B.  It's an issue of your neighbor killing your daughter and what he deserves for such an act.

What that person deserves is not the same thing as what I want the government to do. I don't support the death sentence because it's really nothing more than murdering a defenseless human.

I get the defenseless thing.  I think some proponents of it see it as revenge.   Also, some may say that the person had adequate defense in court.

[Rage Against the McKee]

NK, there is some combo that someone somewhere is in prison for that if committed against you and yours, you would want that person killed.

Promise.

This is like the gay marriage thing.  I don't think ppl personalize it enough to understand it. 

It isn't a question of person A killing person B.  It's an issue of your neighbor killing your daughter and what he deserves for such an act.

What that person deserves is not the same thing as what I want the government to do. I don't support the death sentence because it's really nothing more than murdering a defenseless human.

I get the defenseless thing.  I think some proponents of it see it as revenge.   Also, some may say that the person had adequate defense in court.

Yeah, I get why some people support it, but I just can't support forcibly killing an unarmed person who has already surrendered and has spent the last 10 years or so living in a jail cell. It's not like life in prison with no parole would be some walk in the park for a killer, either. I mean, what would you ever have to look forward to?

[michigancat]

No offense, but that is dumb.  I didn't say it was human nature to kill, I said it was human nature to want it for someone taking away something that is ultimately cherished. 

To relate it to your example, it would be like asking "Do you want to eff everything that walks?"

It may be human nature to "want it" but that doesn't mean he (or I) couldn't choose to rise above "human nature" and not support murdering another person. Just like you rise above "human nature" and don't act on your urges to eff everything that walks.

which I guess means I don't get the point of this post:

NK, there is some combo that someone somewhere is in prison for that if committed against you and yours, you would want that person killed.

Promise.

This is like the gay marriage thing.  I don't think ppl personalize it enough to understand it. 

It isn't a question of person A killing person B.  It's an issue of your neighbor killing your daughter and what he deserves for such an act.

[Emo EMAW]

Part of the punishment should be it's deterrent value. 

Anyway, plenty of attorneys and career police don't believe in the DP just because it takes too long and is too expensive, more expensive than life incarceration.

[CNS]

No offense, but that is dumb.  I didn't say it was human nature to kill, I said it was human nature to want it for someone taking away something that is ultimately cherished. 

To relate it to your example, it would be like asking "Do you want to eff everything that walks?"

It may be human nature to "want it" but that doesn't mean he (or I) couldn't choose to rise above "human nature" and not support murdering another person. Just like you rise above "human nature" and don't act on your urges to eff everything that walks.

which I guess means I don't get the point of this post:

NK, there is some combo that someone somewhere is in prison for that if committed against you and yours, you would want that person killed.

Promise.

This is like the gay marriage thing.  I don't think ppl personalize it enough to understand it. 

It isn't a question of person A killing person B.  It's an issue of your neighbor killing your daughter and what he deserves for such an act.

Opportunity allows capital punishment in many states now.  Opportunity doesn't allow the average male to have his way with everything that walks.  Also, I would argue that it isn't human nature to eff everything that walks and that there is much more to it than what your simplistic example provides and therefore is a shitty comparison that can't be used adequately they way you are trying.

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

If one of Sandusky's victims was a family member of mine I'd want him tortured and raped daily in prison

[Mrs. Gooch]

NK, there is some combo that someone somewhere is in prison for that if committed against you and yours, you would want that person killed.

Promise.

This is like the gay marriage thing.  I don't think ppl personalize it enough to understand it. 

It isn't a question of person A killing person B.  It's an issue of your neighbor killing your daughter and what he deserves for such an act.

What that person deserves is not the same thing as what I want the government to do. I don't support the death sentence because it's really nothing more than murdering a defenseless human.

I get the defenseless thing.  I think some proponents of it see it as revenge.   Also, some may say that the person had adequate defense in court.

Yeah, I get why some people support it, but I just can't support forcibly killing an unarmed person who has already surrendered and has spent the last 10 years or so living in a jail cell. It's not like life in prison with no parole would be some walk in the park for a killer, either. I mean, what would you ever have to look forward to?

So would it be ok to kill an armed person? Like instead of lethal injection they could use a Thuderdome format or something?

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

Basically people who commit terrible crimes deserve terrible and painful punishments imo

[Rage Against the McKee]

NK, there is some combo that someone somewhere is in prison for that if committed against you and yours, you would want that person killed.

Promise.

This is like the gay marriage thing.  I don't think ppl personalize it enough to understand it. 

It isn't a question of person A killing person B.  It's an issue of your neighbor killing your daughter and what he deserves for such an act.

What that person deserves is not the same thing as what I want the government to do. I don't support the death sentence because it's really nothing more than murdering a defenseless human.

I get the defenseless thing.  I think some proponents of it see it as revenge.   Also, some may say that the person had adequate defense in court.

Yeah, I get why some people support it, but I just can't support forcibly killing an unarmed person who has already surrendered and has spent the last 10 years or so living in a jail cell. It's not like life in prison with no parole would be some walk in the park for a killer, either. I mean, what would you ever have to look forward to?

So would it be ok to kill an armed person? Like instead of lethal injection they could use a Thuderdome format or something?

Say the prisoner fashioned some form of a weapon (like a shiv) and started attacking people with it. I would be okay with one of the guards shooting him in that situation to spare other lives.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Part of the punishment should be it's deterrent value. 

Anyway, plenty of attorneys and career police don't believe in the DP just because it takes too long and is too expensive, more expensive than life incarceration.

Does death really provide a greater deterrent than life without parole, though? You die in prison either way.

[michigancat]

Opportunity allows capital punishment in many states now.  Opportunity doesn't allow the average male to have his way with everything that walks.  Also, I would argue that it isn't human nature to eff everything that walks and that there is much more to it than what your simplistic example provides and therefore is a shitty comparison that can't be used adequately they way you are trying.

Wanting to have sex with people is more a part human nature than wanting to kill someone via an opportunity created by a government entity. I mainly take issue with you telling people how they would/should react in a situation as if they can't help it.

[CNS]

Part of the punishment should be it's deterrent value. 

Anyway, plenty of attorneys and career police don't believe in the DP just because it takes too long and is too expensive, more expensive than life incarceration.

Does death really provide a greater deterrent than life without parole, though? You die in prison either way.

It has shown to not be much of a deterrent.  That said, after the fact, I think those in prison for life would chose to continue that way rather than getting the needle.  Most, anyway.

[CNS]

Opportunity allows capital punishment in many states now.  Opportunity doesn't allow the average male to have his way with everything that walks.  Also, I would argue that it isn't human nature to eff everything that walks and that there is much more to it than what your simplistic example provides and therefore is a shitty comparison that can't be used adequately they way you are trying.

Wanting to have sex with people is more a part human nature than wanting to kill someone via an opportunity created by a government entity. I mainly take issue with you telling people how they would/should react in a situation as if they can't help it.

I am just addressing raw emotion.  Most ppl don't have control during raw emotion and such a loss, as the one I described, creates the type of emotion that many have a very hard time processing.  The heart wants what the heart wants. 

Also, I don't think the urge for sex is stronger than the urge for revenge for such an extreme act, however I am not a Psychiatrist. 

[HerrSonntag]

I don't think that there aren't things a person can do that are terrible enough to warrant their own demise.  I just think that no man-made system could ever be doubtless enough to handle the task.   And if even one person is unjustly executed, that makes us all murders and hypocrites.

[Emo EMAW]

Part of the punishment should be it's deterrent value. 

Anyway, plenty of attorneys and career police don't believe in the DP just because it takes too long and is too expensive, more expensive than life incarceration.

Does death really provide a greater deterrent than life without parole, though? You die in prison either way.

I think the fact that people often plea down to life as evidence that it is a deterrent.  Probably marginal, though. 

Why do people do awful things and then kill themselves?  I think because doing prison or DP is worse than dying right there.

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

Part of the punishment should be it's deterrent value. 

Anyway, plenty of attorneys and career police don't believe in the DP just because it takes too long and is too expensive, more expensive than life incarceration.

Does death really provide a greater deterrent than life without parole, though? You die in prison either way.

I think the fact that people often plea down to life as evidence that it is a deterrent.  Probably marginal, though. 

Why do people do awful things and then kill themselves?  I think because doing prison or DP is worse than dying right there.

Because they don't want to be beaten and raped in prison

[Emo EMAW]

Part of the punishment should be it's deterrent value. 

Anyway, plenty of attorneys and career police don't believe in the DP just because it takes too long and is too expensive, more expensive than life incarceration.

Does death really provide a greater deterrent than life without parole, though? You die in prison either way.

I think the fact that people often plea down to life as evidence that it is a deterrent.  Probably marginal, though. 

Why do people do awful things and then kill themselves?  I think because doing prison or DP is worse than dying right there.

Because they don't want to be beaten and raped in prison

I bet Belcher could have handled himself just fine. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

Part of the punishment should be it's deterrent value. 

Anyway, plenty of attorneys and career police don't believe in the DP just because it takes too long and is too expensive, more expensive than life incarceration.

Does death really provide a greater deterrent than life without parole, though? You die in prison either way.

I think the fact that people often plea down to life as evidence that it is a deterrent.  Probably marginal, though. 

Why do people do awful things and then kill themselves?  I think because doing prison or DP is worse than dying right there.

In that case, the person went ahead and committed the crime knowing that the death penalty was a possibility. They were just fortunate enough to be offered a plea deal. I see it as kind of a wash, myself. I'm sure life in prison is much more appealing than the death penalty once you get acclimated to that lifestyle, but it just seems unimaginably awful to me.

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

I've seen enough Lockup on MSNBC to know I'd rather die than spend my life in prison

[michigancat]

Opportunity allows capital punishment in many states now.  Opportunity doesn't allow the average male to have his way with everything that walks.  Also, I would argue that it isn't human nature to eff everything that walks and that there is much more to it than what your simplistic example provides and therefore is a shitty comparison that can't be used adequately they way you are trying.

Wanting to have sex with people is more a part human nature than wanting to kill someone via an opportunity created by a government entity. I mainly take issue with you telling people how they would/should react in a situation as if they can't help it.

I am just addressing raw emotion.  Most ppl don't have control during raw emotion and such a loss, as the one I described, creates the type of emotion that many have a very hard time processing.  The heart wants what the heart wants. 

Also, I don't think the urge for sex is stronger than the urge for revenge for such an extreme act, however I am not a Psychiatrist.

you may have a point if it was in the heat of the moment (like you were there when it happened), but I don't think it applies to a long investigation and trial. They are so new to humans that instinct gets thrown out the window. (Read the article KK shared in the God thread)