Official:Future Head Coach Watch List *Assuming Currie/AD wins internal struggle

[Panjandrum]

I know for a fact that Bill wants Sean to be head coach and that he sees Currie as a barrier to this.  I didn't think that was really in dispute by anyone. 

This wouldn't surprise me or anything, but I've just always assumed Bill was more reasonable than this.  Maybe wanted him to be our head coach, but figured if he ended up somewhere on the coaching tree for 3 years and we hire another Ron Prince, Sean could try and be the savior this time.

Nope.

[ChiComCat]

I know for a fact that Bill wants Sean to be head coach and that he sees Currie as a barrier to this.  I didn't think that was really in dispute by anyone. 

This wouldn't surprise me or anything, but I've just always assumed Bill was more reasonable than this.  Maybe wanted him to be our head coach, but figured if he ended up somewhere on the coaching tree for 3 years and we hire another Ron Prince, Sean could try and be the savior this time.

he promoted him from never coached in his life to associate head coach.

Yes, and special teams coach.  Both are bullshit jobs/titles and everyone knows it.  If he put him as D-Coord/Associate Head Coach, I would be a lot more concerned.

[steve dave]

Associate Head Coach is the figurehead second in command position given to all sons of the head coach when his desire is to have him take over on his retirement.

http://www.hokiesports.com/football/players/

[ELL3]

young beams is not nearly as handsome and rugged as his old man

[Mr Bread]

Associate Head Coach is the figurehead second in command position given to all sons of the head coach when his desire is to have him take over on his retirement.

http://www.hokiesports.com/football/players/

How could they do Bud Foster like that?  He's earned it goddamnit.

[Cartierfor3]

Associate Head Coach is the figurehead second in command position given to all sons of the head coach when his desire is to have him take over on his retirement.

http://www.hokiesports.com/football/players/

 

[CNS]

Associate Head Coach is the figurehead second in command position given to all sons of the head coach when his desire is to have him take over on his retirement.

http://www.hokiesports.com/football/players/

 

Oh man... I forgot about Sutton's spawn.  Good god that was entertaining.

[michigancat]

yeah, Frank would have taken less than 1.9 if he didn't hate Currie. I should have specified that he was over-priced for non-elite jobs assuming he didn't hate his boss.

Also, you're ignoring the revenue we will lose under Weber. (It will be more than the savings in salary.)

This goes back to my point where if it fails (which is entirely possible) Currie can go to Schulz and rationalize his safe hire because it makes sense on paper.

Had he hired Gottlieb (which both you and I were adamantly in support of), and it failed, it would have been harder to rationalize as he didn't have previous coaching experience.

There are a plethora of people in between Gottlieb and Weber in terms of price and experience, that would have been better choices, but that's something we can probably better identify than John Currie because we probably spend more time looking at crap like this than he does.  He hires a search firm, tells them what he's willing to pay, they give him a list of names, and he locks himself in a hotel room and starts calling people. We'd debate the merits of Doug Gottlieb, and he's got a list of guys that includes oscar Weber, Doc Sadler, Larry Eustachy, and God knows who else.

Based on what we were willing to pay, if he wanted BCS coaching experience (and I'm betting he did), I'm betting Weber probably was the best fish in that pond.  Which goes back to my point that he probably didn't want to spend that much time or money on basketball, therefore, Weber was the perfect fit.  Won't cost more than what was budgeted, won't cause issues from a compliance standpoint, and won't force him to deal with tuck donors that don't like a coach that swears. 

Check, check, and check. Get oscar's measurements and fit him for a purple jacket.

It isn't about Weber vs. the other shitty hires making sense for John, it's about keeping Frank happy vs. whatever shitty hire Currie would make. Under ANY scenario, keeping Frank happy made the most financial sense.

[Panjandrum]

It isn't about Weber vs. the other shitty hires making sense for John, it's about keeping Frank happy vs. whatever shitty hire Currie would make. Under ANY scenario, keeping Frank happy made the most financial sense.

Up until the point where Frank wasn't worth the hassle to Currie and vice versa.  While I am of the belief that Currie will ultimately make his decisions based on financial reasoning, I'm not saying he'll never be prone to making them based on emotional reasons.  He's not a robot.  Again, I think he ultimately felt like Frank was replaceable, he could find someone for the same (or less) money that would produce roughly the same results and put roughly the same number of butts in the seats, and whoever that would be, they would be less of a headache to him than Frank was.

I will contend that Currie will put up with more crap from a successful football coach that hates his guts because that's his main focus.  He would pull the exact same crap with Snyder that he pulled with Martin if Snyder coached basketball (IMO).

I personally think that Currie feels like Martin wasn't that great and could be replaced by someone else. Most of us disagree with that.

[michigancat]

It isn't about Weber vs. the other shitty hires making sense for John, it's about keeping Frank happy vs. whatever shitty hire Currie would make. Under ANY scenario, keeping Frank happy made the most financial sense.

Up until the point where Frank wasn't worth the hassle to Currie and vice versa.  While I am of the belief that Currie will ultimately make his decisions based on financial reasoning, I'm not saying he'll never be prone to making them based on emotional reasons.  He's not a robot.  Again, I think he ultimately felt like Frank was replaceable, he could find someone for the same (or less) money that would produce roughly the same results and put roughly the same number of butts in the seats, and whoever that would be, they would be less of a headache to him than Frank was.

What was the hassle? He was wildly popular with fans and won more than expected 4 out of 5 seasons.

[Panjandrum]

Let me clarify on the Snyder thing; if Snyder were a basketball coach, and it was Snyder Family Colosseum, Currie may not push him out.  I guess I'm just saying he wouldn't necessarily care so much about making it worth his while to retain him, if that makes sense.

From a financial perspective, Snyder is a great coach for Currie.  The dollars spent per win is amazing from his perspective.  He'll put up with that hate because the success Snyder provides at budget prices is perfect for him and why he'll put up with being completely despised in public and private from him.

[Panjandrum]

It isn't about Weber vs. the other shitty hires making sense for John, it's about keeping Frank happy vs. whatever shitty hire Currie would make. Under ANY scenario, keeping Frank happy made the most financial sense.

Up until the point where Frank wasn't worth the hassle to Currie and vice versa.  While I am of the belief that Currie will ultimately make his decisions based on financial reasoning, I'm not saying he'll never be prone to making them based on emotional reasons.  He's not a robot.  Again, I think he ultimately felt like Frank was replaceable, he could find someone for the same (or less) money that would produce roughly the same results and put roughly the same number of butts in the seats, and whoever that would be, they would be less of a headache to him than Frank was.

What was the hassle? He was wildly popular with fans and won more than expected 4 out of 5 seasons.

You're baiting me.  You know exactly what hassle that I'm talking about. 

Frank didn't fit Currie's mold for a coach.  That wasn't exactly a secret.  He wanted Frank to tone a lot of stuff down, and Frank didn't.

Again, I think Currie felt he could get Frank success levels (more or less) with less "Frank" for the same (or less) money.

[michigancat]

It isn't about Weber vs. the other shitty hires making sense for John, it's about keeping Frank happy vs. whatever shitty hire Currie would make. Under ANY scenario, keeping Frank happy made the most financial sense.

Up until the point where Frank wasn't worth the hassle to Currie and vice versa.  While I am of the belief that Currie will ultimately make his decisions based on financial reasoning, I'm not saying he'll never be prone to making them based on emotional reasons.  He's not a robot.  Again, I think he ultimately felt like Frank was replaceable, he could find someone for the same (or less) money that would produce roughly the same results and put roughly the same number of butts in the seats, and whoever that would be, they would be less of a headache to him than Frank was.

What was the hassle? He was wildly popular with fans and won more than expected 4 out of 5 seasons.

You're baiting me.  You know exactly what hassle that I'm talking about. 

Frank didn't fit Currie's mold for a coach.  That wasn't exactly a secret.  He wanted Frank to tone a lot of stuff down, and Frank didn't.

Again, I think Currie felt he could get Frank success levels (more or less) with less "Frank" for the same (or less) money.

which gets back to my original point that Currie is a dumbass loser who mumped up the basketball coaching situation.

[Panjandrum]

It isn't about Weber vs. the other shitty hires making sense for John, it's about keeping Frank happy vs. whatever shitty hire Currie would make. Under ANY scenario, keeping Frank happy made the most financial sense.

Up until the point where Frank wasn't worth the hassle to Currie and vice versa.  While I am of the belief that Currie will ultimately make his decisions based on financial reasoning, I'm not saying he'll never be prone to making them based on emotional reasons.  He's not a robot.  Again, I think he ultimately felt like Frank was replaceable, he could find someone for the same (or less) money that would produce roughly the same results and put roughly the same number of butts in the seats, and whoever that would be, they would be less of a headache to him than Frank was.

What was the hassle? He was wildly popular with fans and won more than expected 4 out of 5 seasons.

You're baiting me.  You know exactly what hassle that I'm talking about. 

Frank didn't fit Currie's mold for a coach.  That wasn't exactly a secret.  He wanted Frank to tone a lot of stuff down, and Frank didn't.

Again, I think Currie felt he could get Frank success levels (more or less) with less "Frank" for the same (or less) money.

which gets back to my original point that Currie is a dumbass loser who mumped up the basketball coaching situation.

I never denied that.  I simply rationalized his position.

Currie has put the focus on football.  He doesn't care as much about basketball and wants someone there that won't be a bother to him.  The problem is that he gets bothered pretty easily.  So, he's going to find someone there that won't suck as bad as what we had before Frank and won't cause him as much headache as Frank did.

We've debated the other points, so, this is where I stand. I'm not against putting the focus on football (as stated).  I don't think Currie handled this specific hire well.  He could have done better.  But this makes sense given what we believe we know about Currie.  We disagree in that I think Currie will put forth more effort and money into getting a good football coach.  I agree with Trim (and others) that given Currie's reputation, it may be hard to do so.  But I think he'll put more effort into it.

[EMAW4life-JHL]

im pretty overjoyed that currie ran martin considering the entire team was set to transfer and martin burned through every recruiting tie he had in the region due to his complete jackassery.
martin was a loser who denied the inevitable and kept morale high with some diamond in the rough recruits and a fiery personality that eventually wore on everybody that surrounded him.
i bet his wife is nailing other dudes left and right.

[steve dave]

Yeah, Frank is absolutely a boner. 

[michigancat]

It isn't about Weber vs. the other shitty hires making sense for John, it's about keeping Frank happy vs. whatever shitty hire Currie would make. Under ANY scenario, keeping Frank happy made the most financial sense.

Up until the point where Frank wasn't worth the hassle to Currie and vice versa.  While I am of the belief that Currie will ultimately make his decisions based on financial reasoning, I'm not saying he'll never be prone to making them based on emotional reasons.  He's not a robot.  Again, I think he ultimately felt like Frank was replaceable, he could find someone for the same (or less) money that would produce roughly the same results and put roughly the same number of butts in the seats, and whoever that would be, they would be less of a headache to him than Frank was.

What was the hassle? He was wildly popular with fans and won more than expected 4 out of 5 seasons.

You're baiting me.  You know exactly what hassle that I'm talking about. 

Frank didn't fit Currie's mold for a coach.  That wasn't exactly a secret.  He wanted Frank to tone a lot of stuff down, and Frank didn't.

Again, I think Currie felt he could get Frank success levels (more or less) with less "Frank" for the same (or less) money.

which gets back to my original point that Currie is a dumbass loser who mumped up the basketball coaching situation.

I never denied that.  I simply rationalized his position.

Currie has put the focus on football.  He doesn't care as much about basketball and wants someone there that won't be a bother to him.  The problem is that he gets bothered pretty easily.  So, he's going to find someone there that won't suck as bad as what we had before Frank and won't cause him as much headache as Frank did.

We've debated the other points, so, this is where I stand. I'm not against putting the focus on football (as stated).  I don't think Currie handled this specific hire well.  He could have done better.  But this makes sense given what we believe we know about Currie.  We disagree in that I think Currie will put forth more effort and money into getting a good football coach.  I agree with Trim (and others) that given Currie's reputation, it may be hard to do so.  But I think he'll put more effort into it.

I don't think the effort (or allegedly unlimited budget) will make the football hire any better. Because of who KSU is and who Currie is.

[EMAWesome]

How could a guy that hired Kiffin possibly turn so bad and hire chicken nuggets?

It's rough ridin' baffling, isn't it?

My only explanation is that he honestly just doesn't give a crap about basketball...like, he's so SEC that he basically just hired who "they" said to hire and moved on.


This Kiffen selection has my attention.  I was not aware Curried played that prominent of a role.  Very impressed....

he didn't. i'm sure he was part of the search, but saying he had any input whatsoever is pretty far fetched. him having something to do with the hiring of pearl is much more realistic.

currie at tennessee was more less a guy who oversaw the raising of funds as well as stadium renovations and building of a new basketball training facility. he's obviously pretty good at those things and super aggressive on the fund raising side even to the potential of being detrimental to the academic fund raising people, which i personally think is great.

getting along with talent (read important coaches) is something that he is apparently horrific at though and should cause concern for all involved. i mean, frank and bill are two of the best things to ever happen to kstate and he's run off one and is about to run off the other. allegedly.

From UTSports.com release announcing he was leaving to come to KSU

"In June of 2007, Currie also helped lead the search for the Vols' new baseball coach, Todd Raleigh, as well as the 2008 football search which brought Lane Kiffin to Knoxville."

I guess they could be in on the conspiracy to bring down KSU Athletics too though...tough to tell who to believe in these turbulant times

http://www.utsports.com/genrel/051809aaa.html

[Dr Rick Daris]

How could a guy that hired Kiffin possibly turn so bad and hire chicken nuggets?

It's rough ridin' baffling, isn't it?

My only explanation is that he honestly just doesn't give a crap about basketball...like, he's so SEC that he basically just hired who "they" said to hire and moved on.


This Kiffen selection has my attention.  I was not aware Curried played that prominent of a role.  Very impressed....

he didn't. i'm sure he was part of the search, but saying he had any input whatsoever is pretty far fetched. him having something to do with the hiring of pearl is much more realistic.

currie at tennessee was more less a guy who oversaw the raising of funds as well as stadium renovations and building of a new basketball training facility. he's obviously pretty good at those things and super aggressive on the fund raising side even to the potential of being detrimental to the academic fund raising people, which i personally think is great.

getting along with talent (read important coaches) is something that he is apparently horrific at though and should cause concern for all involved. i mean, frank and bill are two of the best things to ever happen to kstate and he's run off one and is about to run off the other. allegedly.

From UTSports.com release announcing he was leaving to come to KSU

"In June of 2007, Currie also helped lead the search for the Vols' new baseball coach, Todd Raleigh, as well as the 2008 football search which brought Lane Kiffin to Knoxville."

I guess they could be in on the conspiracy to bring down KSU Athletics too though...tough to tell who to believe in these turbulant times

http://www.utsports.com/genrel/051809aaa.html

you do realize that john currie probably wrote that press release himself, right? i mean the last half of it is just a bunch people who worked at tennessee saying nice stuff about him. i mean jesus.

[EMAWesome]

How could a guy that hired Kiffin possibly turn so bad and hire chicken nuggets?

It's rough ridin' baffling, isn't it?

My only explanation is that he honestly just doesn't give a crap about basketball...like, he's so SEC that he basically just hired who "they" said to hire and moved on.


This Kiffen selection has my attention.  I was not aware Curried played that prominent of a role.  Very impressed....

he didn't. i'm sure he was part of the search, but saying he had any input whatsoever is pretty far fetched. him having something to do with the hiring of pearl is much more realistic.

currie at tennessee was more less a guy who oversaw the raising of funds as well as stadium renovations and building of a new basketball training facility. he's obviously pretty good at those things and super aggressive on the fund raising side even to the potential of being detrimental to the academic fund raising people, which i personally think is great.

getting along with talent (read important coaches) is something that he is apparently horrific at though and should cause concern for all involved. i mean, frank and bill are two of the best things to ever happen to kstate and he's run off one and is about to run off the other. allegedly.

From UTSports.com release announcing he was leaving to come to KSU

"In June of 2007, Currie also helped lead the search for the Vols' new baseball coach, Todd Raleigh, as well as the 2008 football search which brought Lane Kiffin to Knoxville."

I guess they could be in on the conspiracy to bring down KSU Athletics too though...tough to tell who to believe in these turbulant times

http://www.utsports.com/genrel/051809aaa.html

you do realize that john currie probably wrote that press release himself, right? i mean the last half of it is just a bunch people who worked at tennessee saying nice stuff about him. i mean jesus.

[Trim]

How do you help lead something?

[Dr Rick Daris]

How could a guy that hired Kiffin possibly turn so bad and hire chicken nuggets?

It's rough ridin' baffling, isn't it?

My only explanation is that he honestly just doesn't give a crap about basketball...like, he's so SEC that he basically just hired who "they" said to hire and moved on.


This Kiffen selection has my attention.  I was not aware Curried played that prominent of a role.  Very impressed....

he didn't. i'm sure he was part of the search, but saying he had any input whatsoever is pretty far fetched. him having something to do with the hiring of pearl is much more realistic.

currie at tennessee was more less a guy who oversaw the raising of funds as well as stadium renovations and building of a new basketball training facility. he's obviously pretty good at those things and super aggressive on the fund raising side even to the potential of being detrimental to the academic fund raising people, which i personally think is great.

getting along with talent (read important coaches) is something that he is apparently horrific at though and should cause concern for all involved. i mean, frank and bill are two of the best things to ever happen to kstate and he's run off one and is about to run off the other. allegedly.

From UTSports.com release announcing he was leaving to come to KSU

"In June of 2007, Currie also helped lead the search for the Vols' new baseball coach, Todd Raleigh, as well as the 2008 football search which brought Lane Kiffin to Knoxville."

I guess they could be in on the conspiracy to bring down KSU Athletics too though...tough to tell who to believe in these turbulant times

http://www.utsports.com/genrel/051809aaa.html

you do realize that john currie probably wrote that press release himself, right? i mean the last half of it is just a bunch people who worked at tennessee saying nice stuff about him. i mean jesus.

what's your point? that currie helped with those searches? because i already said above that he did.

[EMAWesome]

How could a guy that hired Kiffin possibly turn so bad and hire chicken nuggets?

It's rough ridin' baffling, isn't it?

My only explanation is that he honestly just doesn't give a crap about basketball...like, he's so SEC that he basically just hired who "they" said to hire and moved on.


This Kiffen selection has my attention.  I was not aware Curried played that prominent of a role.  Very impressed....

he didn't. i'm sure he was part of the search, but saying he had any input whatsoever is pretty far fetched. him having something to do with the hiring of pearl is much more realistic.

currie at tennessee was more less a guy who oversaw the raising of funds as well as stadium renovations and building of a new basketball training facility. he's obviously pretty good at those things and super aggressive on the fund raising side even to the potential of being detrimental to the academic fund raising people, which i personally think is great.

getting along with talent (read important coaches) is something that he is apparently horrific at though and should cause concern for all involved. i mean, frank and bill are two of the best things to ever happen to kstate and he's run off one and is about to run off the other. allegedly.

From UTSports.com release announcing he was leaving to come to KSU

"In June of 2007, Currie also helped lead the search for the Vols' new baseball coach, Todd Raleigh, as well as the 2008 football search which brought Lane Kiffin to Knoxville."

I guess they could be in on the conspiracy to bring down KSU Athletics too though...tough to tell who to believe in these turbulant times

http://www.utsports.com/genrel/051809aaa.html

you do realize that john currie probably wrote that press release himself, right? i mean the last half of it is just a bunch people who worked at tennessee saying nice stuff about him. i mean jesus.

what's your point? that currie helped with those searches? because i already said above that he did.

Which was immediately qualified by saying

but saying he had any input whatsoever is pretty far fetched.

I guess my point is that just because you loathe someone doesn't mean everything they've done in the history of ever has been loathesome? I mean it is OK to go ahead and coalesce to the fact that John Currie has done SOME good in the past, he may have even taken a risk or two (obviously on Pearl, and whatever role he played in Kiffen, he didn't kill it despite obvious red flags) on a hire...they weren't all white bread like Weber.

Still, we've gotten off topic, all I was curious about was what his relationship was w/ Fullmer? I mean, if nobody thinks he was high enough to be involved in the hire of Kiffen, is it realistic to think he had nothing to do with the firing of Fullmer? Is Fullmer worth talking about or would he LIOF, or would we even want him if he & Currie were tight?

[TheHamburglar]

One of my good friend's ex-girlfriend worked for him at UT.  She did not care for at all and said he probably wouldn't be able to ever get a job at UT again. 

[Dr Rick Daris]

How could a guy that hired Kiffin possibly turn so bad and hire chicken nuggets?

It's rough ridin' baffling, isn't it?

My only explanation is that he honestly just doesn't give a crap about basketball...like, he's so SEC that he basically just hired who "they" said to hire and moved on.


This Kiffen selection has my attention.  I was not aware Curried played that prominent of a role.  Very impressed....

he didn't. i'm sure he was part of the search, but saying he had any input whatsoever is pretty far fetched. him having something to do with the hiring of pearl is much more realistic.

currie at tennessee was more less a guy who oversaw the raising of funds as well as stadium renovations and building of a new basketball training facility. he's obviously pretty good at those things and super aggressive on the fund raising side even to the potential of being detrimental to the academic fund raising people, which i personally think is great.

getting along with talent (read important coaches) is something that he is apparently horrific at though and should cause concern for all involved. i mean, frank and bill are two of the best things to ever happen to kstate and he's run off one and is about to run off the other. allegedly.

From UTSports.com release announcing he was leaving to come to KSU

"In June of 2007, Currie also helped lead the search for the Vols' new baseball coach, Todd Raleigh, as well as the 2008 football search which brought Lane Kiffin to Knoxville."

I guess they could be in on the conspiracy to bring down KSU Athletics too though...tough to tell who to believe in these turbulant times

http://www.utsports.com/genrel/051809aaa.html

you do realize that john currie probably wrote that press release himself, right? i mean the last half of it is just a bunch people who worked at tennessee saying nice stuff about him. i mean jesus.

what's your point? that currie helped with those searches? because i already said above that he did.

Which was immediately qualified by saying

but saying he had any input whatsoever is pretty far fetched.

I guess my point is that just because you loathe someone doesn't mean everything they've done in the history of ever has been loathesome? I mean it is OK to go ahead and coalesce to the fact that John Currie has done SOME good in the past, he may have even taken a risk or two (obviously on Pearl, and whatever role he played in Kiffen, he didn't kill it despite obvious red flags) on a hire...they weren't all white bread like Weber.

Still, we've gotten off topic, all I was curious about was what his relationship was w/ Fullmer? I mean, if nobody thinks he was high enough to be involved in the hire of Kiffen, is it realistic to think he had nothing to do with the firing of Fullmer? Is Fullmer worth talking about or would he LIOF, or would we even want him if he & Currie were tight?

he did not take a risk on pearl because he was not the one that hired him. he also didn't kill those hires because he couldn't have, due again to the fact that he was not in charge. do you john currie was the AD at UT before he came here? he wasn't. also, i don't loathe john currie. not even close. also, i wish to god people would just shut up about him and god damn UT like it's some sort of pipeline to ksu or something. just stop. phil fullmer will never become the coach and kansas state. just stop it.