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Who is ready for some ACA rulin' today?
« on: June 28, 2012, 06:29:32 AM »
Here it comes bitches


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Re: Who is ready for some ACA rulin' today?
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2012, 09:35:17 AM »
upheld.  by Roberts.  let the butthurt begin.

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Re: Who is ready for some ACA rulin' today?
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2012, 09:38:46 AM »
Robets upholds, Kennedy says its entirely UC


Congress can do it as a tax, but not under interstate commerce
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Re: Who is ready for some ACA rulin' today?
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2012, 09:44:09 AM »








Amy Howe:
In Plain English: The Affordable Care Act, including its individual mandate that virtually all Americans buy health insurance, is constitutional. There were not five votes to uphold it on the ground that Congress could use its power to regulate commerce between the states to require everyone to buy health insurance. However, five Justices agreed that the penalty that someone must pay if he refuses to buy insurance is a kind of tax that Congress can impose using its taxing power. That is all that matters. Because the mandate survives, the Court did not need to decide what other parts of the statute were constitutional, except for a provision that required states to comply with new eligibility requirements for Medicaid or risk losing their funding. On that question, the Court held that the provision is constitutional as long as states would only lose new funds if they didn't comply with the new requirements, rather than all of their funding.
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Re: Who is ready for some ACA rulin' today?
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2012, 12:44:14 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2012, 03:11:56 PM »
LOOK, LET ME BE CLEAR, THIS IS NOT A TAX!
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/06/obama-in-2009-its-not-a-tax/
so the court did the dirty work for him. 

almost middle class families have/or have access/means to get healthcare so your point is entirely moot.
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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2012, 03:15:42 PM »
surprised this hasn't gotten more play on this board.  :dunno:

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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2012, 03:41:00 PM »
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Re: Who is ready for some ACA rulin' today?
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2012, 03:49:12 PM »
surprised this hasn't gotten more play on this board.  :dunno:

Me too. I wasn't sure what to think about it so I came here to become informed and was pretty disappointed. Someone tell me, what are the downside of this is. TIA.

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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2012, 04:06:29 PM »
Someone tell me, what are the downside of this is. TIA.

seems like it was a pretty commonsense & statusquoey ruling.  pro forma pat on the back to the court.
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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2012, 04:19:37 PM »
I may be Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), but now that this is being openly called a tax, I think this isn't as big of a political win as he wanted.  The next 4 months are going to be interesting and probs even more super charged than the last one.


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Re: Who is ready for some ACA rulin' today?
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2012, 04:52:20 PM »
LOOK, LET ME BE CLEAR, THIS IS NOT A TAX!
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/06/obama-in-2009-its-not-a-tax/
so the court did the dirty work for him. 

almost middle class families have/or have access/means to get healthcare so your point is entirely moot.

Only you would be this naive to think 30 million more people are going to be covered without the middle class paying for it. Thinking people have been screaming "this is a tax" for 2 years, but the morons believed Obama-Pelosi-Reid that this won't cost us anything. In the mean time, insurance rates have gone up in anticipation.

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« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2012, 04:57:58 PM »
I may be Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), but now that this is being openly called a tax, I think this isn't as big of a political win as he wanted.  The next 4 months are going to be interesting and probs even more super charged than the last one.

I haven't read the ruling yet, but talk about bullshit semantics.  If you don't get insurance, they fine you.  You fail to fulfill an obligation and they penalize you.  Tax: a sum of money demanded by a government for its support or for specific facilities or services, levied upon incomes, property, sales, etc.  It's a rough ridin' fine, not a tax. 

For example, you fail to stop at a stop sign, cop sees you and tickets you.  You get fined for your failure to fulfill your obligation to stop.  Nobody calls that a rough ridin' tax.  It's a punitive measure designed to correct undesirable behavior.  That's its primary function.  A collateral consequence is that the government gets some of your money.  Does not make it a tax. 
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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2012, 05:05:03 PM »
I may be Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), but now that this is being openly called a tax, I think this isn't as big of a political win as he wanted.  The next 4 months are going to be interesting and probs even more super charged than the last one.

I haven't read the ruling yet, but talk about bullshit semantics.  If you don't get insurance, they fine you.  You fail to fulfill an obligation and they penalize you.  Tax: a sum of money demanded by a government for its support or for specific facilities or services, levied upon incomes, property, sales, etc.  It's a rough ridin' fine, not a tax. 

For example, you fail to stop at a stop sign, cop sees you and tickets you.  You get fined for your failure to fulfill your obligation to stop.  Nobody calls that a rough ridin' tax.  It's a punitive measure designed to correct undesirable behavior.  That's its primary function.  A collateral consequence is that the government gets some of your money.  Does not make it a tax.

I don't disagree.  I meant that he the R's will rail him for such a "tax" until election time.  If it was all upheld without being openly defended as a tax right in the media, it may have been a bigger win for him politically.

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« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2012, 05:13:35 PM »
It's a punitive measure designed to correct undesirable behavior.

Sounds like a sin tax.

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« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2012, 05:19:23 PM »
the ruling amuses me.
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« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2012, 05:27:29 PM »
I may be Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), but now that this is being openly called a tax, I think this isn't as big of a political win as he wanted.  The next 4 months are going to be interesting and probs even more super charged than the last one.

I haven't read the ruling yet, but talk about bullshit semantics.  If you don't get insurance, they fine you.  You fail to fulfill an obligation and they penalize you.  Tax: a sum of money demanded by a government for its support or for specific facilities or services, levied upon incomes, property, sales, etc.  It's a rough ridin' fine, not a tax. 

For example, you fail to stop at a stop sign, cop sees you and tickets you.  You get fined for your failure to fulfill your obligation to stop.  Nobody calls that a rough ridin' tax.  It's a punitive measure designed to correct undesirable behavior.  That's its primary function.  A collateral consequence is that the government gets some of your money.  Does not make it a tax.

I don't disagree.  I meant that he the R's will rail him for such a "tax" until election time.  If it was all upheld without being openly defended as a tax right in the media, it may have been a bigger win for him politically.

My ire was directed at SCOTUS.  I hate that intellectually dishonest bullshit in judicial opinions (again, saying that without having read it yet; maybe they made a brilliant and well-reasoned argument as to why it's a tax, we shall see).  I agree with you that his opposition will ram SCOTUS' terminology square in his b-hole mercilessly and without end. 
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Re: Who is ready for some ACA rulin' today?
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2012, 05:57:36 PM »
Romney vs Obama, who the eff cares they are both huge losers.

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« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2012, 06:00:04 PM »
I enjoyed my liberal friends on facebook making fun of conservatives who said they were moving to Canada because of the ruling.

*note: I did not see anyone anywhere seriously say they were moving to Canada because of the ruling.

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« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2012, 06:12:48 PM »
Can't wait until we have to buy other things or they will "tax" us.

I say the next thing should be guns.  Everyone should have to buy a gun or they will be "taxed". 

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« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2012, 06:17:59 PM »
are you people retards?  calling it a tax is far more logical than calling it interstate commerce.  they take your money, which you are required by law to pay, and use that money to provide a civic service.  that's a rough ridin' tax.

the notion that it isn't a tax, because you are allowed not pay the tax, provided you engage in a behavior they wish to encourage is infantile.  our entire tax code is built around that concept.
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« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2012, 09:09:26 PM »
Romney vs Obama, who the eff cares they are both huge losers.

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« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2012, 09:24:11 PM »
Who is cackling the loudest and rolling a fat one? meditech has to be at this juncture, health care industry in general will see significant growth.
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« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2012, 10:04:00 PM »
are you people retards?  calling it a tax is far more logical than calling it interstate commerce.  they take your money, which you are required by law to pay, and use that money to provide a civic service.  that's a rough ridin' tax.

the notion that it isn't a tax, because you are allowed not pay the tax, provided you engage in a behavior they wish to encourage is infantile.  our entire tax code is built around that concept.