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Re: Bramlage Family lost in Plane crah
« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2012, 08:39:39 PM »
Great family, terrible loss.

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Re: Bramlage Family lost in Plane crah
« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2012, 09:10:54 PM »
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My heart goes out 2the Bramlage family. God bless them. Unbelievable memories that will b w me forever at a building named Bramlage Coliseum

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Re: Bramlage Family lost in Plane crah
« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2012, 09:12:34 PM »
LBIQ, are there other direct descendants of Fred?
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Re: Bramlage Family lost in Plane crah
« Reply #28 on: June 07, 2012, 09:16:11 PM »
Horrible. Man that really sucks.
I want to be inappropriate for one second and be the first to call it that the tucks will start a campaign to stop calling it the OOD next year in honor of the Bramlage Family.

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Re: Bramlage Plane
« Reply #29 on: June 07, 2012, 09:17:35 PM »
something close to 99% of all small plane crashes are pilot error.  the sad truth is that he was probably doing or did something he shouldn't have done...and likely knew better.  sad.
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Re: Bramlage Family lost in Plane crah
« Reply #30 on: June 07, 2012, 09:36:44 PM »
I want to be inappropriate for one second and be the first to call it that the tucks will start a campaign to stop calling it the OOD next year in honor of the Bramlage Family.

If Fred has been alive and on the plane, maybe. But it turns out, he wasn't.

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Re: Bramlage Plane
« Reply #31 on: June 07, 2012, 10:34:03 PM »
Flying on small planes with amateurish pilots seems to be dangerous, maybe people should stop doing it.

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Re: Bramlage Plane
« Reply #32 on: June 07, 2012, 10:46:41 PM »
Flying on small planes with amateurish pilots seems to be dangerous, maybe people should stop doing it.

statistically speaking, no. flying on small planes with amateurish pilots that do stupid crap is dangerous.  people shouldn't do that.

now investigators are saying that the plane actually started to break apart in mid air.  that would be a truly freak accident that never happens. wow.
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« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2012, 06:11:49 AM »
LBIQ, are there other direct descendants of Fred?

Grandson and his wife/kids

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Re: Bramlage Plane
« Reply #35 on: June 08, 2012, 07:11:48 AM »
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The plane is the exact same one that Casey Anthony was in the night she took off from Orlando

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Investigators said they believe he was sucked out of the plane as it was going down.

"We know the child's not in the aircraft," Judd said. "We know there was a gaping hole in the aircraft."

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Re: Bramlage Family lost in Plane crah
« Reply #36 on: June 08, 2012, 07:27:26 AM »
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Re: Bramlage Plane
« Reply #38 on: June 08, 2012, 08:21:08 AM »
eastcat, is there anything a pilot could do at 3000 ft or whatever to make the plane rip itself apart, save open one of the doors?

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Re: Bramlage Family lost in Plane crah
« Reply #39 on: June 08, 2012, 08:43:54 AM »
LBIQ, are there other direct descendants of Fred?

Ron's father and sister are still alive. I believe he had a brother killed in Topeka during a bad drug deal.

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Re: Bramlage Plane
« Reply #40 on: June 08, 2012, 08:54:10 AM »
eastcat, is there anything a pilot could do at 3000 ft or whatever to make the plane rip itself apart, save open one of the doors?

Probably pushed the wrong button or something.

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Re: Bramlage Plane
« Reply #41 on: June 08, 2012, 08:59:55 AM »
Only a matter of time before Ok_Cat comes in here to get his jollies off.  :cry:

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Re: Bramlage Plane
« Reply #43 on: June 08, 2012, 09:35:21 AM »
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Re: Bramlage Plane
« Reply #44 on: June 08, 2012, 09:42:44 AM »
Sorry if luked.

Don't be sorry.  Do better.

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Re: Bramlage Plane
« Reply #45 on: June 08, 2012, 01:31:47 PM »
How can someone know what "luke-ing" is and yet still offer up such a horrible luke job?

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Re: Bramlage Plane
« Reply #46 on: June 08, 2012, 01:52:59 PM »
eastcat, is there anything a pilot could do at 3000 ft or whatever to make the plane rip itself apart, save open one of the doors?

In a Pc-12 unlikely. I suspected a high altitude stall initially (it was in cruise phase) and most private pilots aren't trained to recover from high altitude stalls but it appears (if that article is right) that is was explosive decompression. The Pc-12 is only rated to fly to 31,000 if it is RVSM certified, 28,000 if not (but some still fly higher anyways, enforcement is lax) which means the cabin differential  was in the 5.5-6psi range (difference in pressure between the inside of the plane and the outside). Is that enough to rip someone out of the plane? Idk.

Then you wonder if he became hypoxic (only takes about a minute at that altitude) or if it was truly a structural failure. NTSB investigation should figure it out though, sounds like they have the entire wreckage.

Edit: Was it in cruise or at 3,000ft? the news stories have conflicting info.

EDIT: Time to climb for a PC-12 is 30min and the article says it crashed roughly half an hour after departure. Depending on if ATC step climbed them or not they could have made it to cruise altitude, but that (IMO) makes the decompression/hypoxia story more likely.
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Re: Bramlage Plane
« Reply #47 on: June 08, 2012, 01:57:04 PM »
good god, 4 kids, the oldest a HS frosh. 

Sad.

agreed.  too many.

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Re: Bramlage Plane
« Reply #48 on: June 08, 2012, 02:02:52 PM »
sounds like the 13 year old was ejected well before the plane hit the ground? sheesh.

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Re: Bramlage Plane
« Reply #49 on: June 08, 2012, 03:57:48 PM »
sounds like the 13 year old was ejected well before the plane hit the ground? sheesh.

I wonder if he landed in a pond? Happened to Arnold in the movie Commando. He survived.