OU Game

[steve dave]

What on earth happened?  They had just lost to TTech.  We were ranked 10.  We were at home for goodness sakes.  We were out gained 690-240. 

[sonofdaxjones]

SchemedoctorSlothfense has no prayer against a well game planned bunch of superior athletes.

The ate slothfense alive for 3/4's of the game.

[pissclams]

fluke

[steve dave]

We even won the TO margin 2-1.  So freakish. 

[sonofdaxjones]

Look at Slothfense's total output against Texas:

8 First Downs
121 yards of Total Offense
2.2 years per play

[steve dave]

Look at Slothfense's total output against Texas:

8 First Downs
121 yards of Total Offense
2.2 years per play

yeah, but we won.  we won on Doerr's golden foot. 

[sonofdaxjones]

But this is what youngsters don't get.

This is Snyder/Dimel/Miller Part II.   Part I was no different, they pretty much completely meltdown against any well coached defense that has speed and athletes.   

2.2 yards per rush in the Cotton Bowl, 260 yards of Total Offense.

Anemic.

[pissclams]

But this is what youngsters don't get.

This is Snyder/Dimel/Miller Part II.   Part I was no different, they pretty much completely meltdown against any well coached defense that has speed and athletes.   

2.2 yards per rush in the Cotton Bowl, 260 yards of Total Offense.

Anemic.

almost every team does, dax.

[WillieWatanabe]

i'd say they just quit in the 2nd half. but who knows.

[steve dave]

i'd say they just quit in the 2nd half. but who knows.

yeah, they did.  but that seems like such an outlier from the rest of the season. 

[sonofdaxjones]

But this is what youngsters don't get.

This is Snyder/Dimel/Miller Part II.   Part I was no different, they pretty much completely meltdown against any well coached defense that has speed and athletes.   

2.2 yards per rush in the Cotton Bowl, 260 yards of Total Offense.

Anemic.

almost every team does that lacks overall offensive weapons and diversity clams

FYP

[ChiComCat]

So there is a correlation between what our offense does and how well coached, fast, and talented the defense is?

Honestly, we were in striking distance for a lot of the Arkansas game.  I think the difference between our offense now and some of our best is a deep threat.  Doesn't even have to be a great one (Taco Wallace/James Terry), just able to take advantage of defenses playing up.

[steve dave]

I think that has more to do with our QB

[pissclams]

But this is what youngsters don't get.

This is Snyder/Dimel/Miller Part II.   Part I was no different, they pretty much completely meltdown against any well coached defense that has speed and athletes.   

2.2 yards per rush in the Cotton Bowl, 260 yards of Total Offense.

Anemic.

almost every team does that lacks overall offensive weapons and diversity clams

FYP

thanks for the football 101

[Scary Smart]

That game was such a huge KITN. On a related note though, I never really found out because I was at the game, but did the scuffle between the teams right before the game make the TV broadcast? I thought it looked very elite at the time and it looked like the ABC Skycam or whatever was right above it so I thought that it might look big-timey on TV.

[ChiComCat]

That game was such a huge KITN. On a related note though, I never really found out because I was at the game, but did the scuffle between the teams right before the game make the TV broadcast? I thought it looked very elite at the time and it looked like the ABC Skycam or whatever was right above it so I thought that it might look big-timey on TV.

Not live or anything but they showed it a few times, iirc

[EMAW4life-JHL]

We showed we could score, we had the lead at one point right? 24-21 or 21-17? we just completely crapped down our pants after that.
OSU game was a perfect example of what our offense is capable of, if we just get our heads together.

[The Manhatter]

Dax,

Most offenses have difficulties against defenses with superior speed and athletes.  go figure?

Either you are highly skilled in an area that can exploit a defense with superior speed and athleticism or they will own you.  OU and Texas had some holes in their coverage...but only the more skilled passing offenses took advantage (see Tech).

KSU, in particular, had difficulty with the pass rushers for OU.  Their defensive ends ate us alive.  Too slow footed along the offensive line last year and the OU, Texas, and Arkansas games were a good demonstration of that.  Mizzou had much of their way with our offensive line but they had enough holes elsewhere and were not good enough on offense last year to overcome mistakes.

Defensively...if you can't get a pass rush and are not really athletic in the secondary = bad news.

That and OU was awfully focused in that game.  They made some plays offensively they didn't make the remainder of the year.  That and the Texas game were easily their best performances offensively.  They had no rythm and chemistry offensively after Broyles went down.

[Cartierfor3]

We got intimidated.  Also, their defensive line destroyed our O-Line, and our secondary was awful, and our D-Line was worse than the secondary. 

[The Manhatter]

biggest key for Snyder's offense is to have some mobility along the offensive line.  If he has that then his offenses are extremely difficult to stop the way we utilize our TE as an extra blocker and a QB as an extra runner.

Finney held his own in that OU game but Hanson, Freeze, and Aufner were overmatched.  That is where the battle was won.

We'll field much better athletes at those positions this year...especially if Whitehair slides inside to guard and Foketi mans that RT position.  Foketi and Whitehair are both well above average athletes for BCS conference caliber offensive lineman.  Lucas is a superior athlete over Hanson and is just so damned long.  If he gets beat around the edge his length on a one-step-punch can still knock some swift ends off their path to the backside shoulder of the passer.

Not worried one iota about the offense this year.  It's the defense that is more of a concern.

[TheHamburglar]

Dax,

Most offenses have difficulties against defenses with superior speed and athletes.  go figure?

Either you are highly skilled in an area that can exploit a defense with superior speed and athleticism or they will own you.  OU and Texas had some holes in their coverage...but only the more skilled passing offenses took advantage (see Tech).

KSU, in particular, had difficulty with the pass rushers for OU.  Their defensive ends ate us alive.  Too slow footed along the offensive line last year and the OU, Texas, and Arkansas games were a good demonstration of that.  Mizzou had much of their way with our offensive line but they had enough holes elsewhere and were not good enough on offense last year to overcome mistakes.

Defensively...if you can't get a pass rush and are not really athletic in the secondary = bad news.

That and OU was awfully focused in that game.  They made some plays offensively they didn't make the remainder of the year.  That and the Texas game were easily their best performances offensively.  They had no rythm and chemistry offensively after Broyles went down.

Are you agreeing with or arguing against Dax?  It seems you're agreeing with Dax, only providing more detail.  However, the smart ass comment "Most offenses have difficulties against defenses with superior speed and athletes.  go figure?" makes me think you are arguing with him. 

Edit: Nevermind, you posted your 2nd post and completed your thought while I was typing this.   Makes sense now.   

[KITNfury]

Stools:Snyder::KSU:Texas

[steve dave]

Stools:Snyder::KSU:Texas

haha, I know you just misspelled this but it's better than you intended imo.  he's old.

[The Manhatter]

Dax,

Most offenses have difficulties against defenses with superior speed and athletes.  go figure?

Either you are highly skilled in an area that can exploit a defense with superior speed and athleticism or they will own you.  OU and Texas had some holes in their coverage...but only the more skilled passing offenses took advantage (see Tech).

KSU, in particular, had difficulty with the pass rushers for OU.  Their defensive ends ate us alive.  Too slow footed along the offensive line last year and the OU, Texas, and Arkansas games were a good demonstration of that.  Mizzou had much of their way with our offensive line but they had enough holes elsewhere and were not good enough on offense last year to overcome mistakes.

Defensively...if you can't get a pass rush and are not really athletic in the secondary = bad news.

That and OU was awfully focused in that game.  They made some plays offensively they didn't make the remainder of the year.  That and the Texas game were easily their best performances offensively.  They had no rythm and chemistry offensively after Broyles went down.

Are you agreeing with or arguing against Dax?  It seems you're agreeing with Dax, only providing more detail.  However, the smart ass comment "Most offenses have difficulties against defenses with superior speed and athletes.  go figure?" makes me think you are arguing with him.

I agree with him for the most part.  It was the comment that Snyder always has trouble with Oklahoma or something similar.  Well, yes, most offenses do have difficulty with teams that possess superior speed and athleticism on defense.  It's not an enlightenment.

It is sort of like those who rip on Snyder's record vs. top 20 teams.  Well, if you look at it history wise most top 10 programs have average records against top 10 teams.  So, go figure on that one as well.

The only thing I worry about this coming year with the offense is whether the offensive line will be tenacious enough.  Hanson and Aufner, despite their shortcomings as pass blockers, worked their butts off in the run game.  Freeze, while a below average athlete, worked and made few mistakes.  We have better athletes on the offensive line this year but are they really tough guys willing to mix it up in the run game?  There is no doubt we should get better pass protection.  The biggest issue for us last year is that we simply couldn't protect the quarterback. 

To illustrate just how dreadful we were at pass protection we had 200 fewer pass attempts than Iowa State last season but gave up 16 more sacks.  Part of that could be attributed to Klein being one of the few QBs who would eat the ball rather than force things...but very few.  We were horrendous giving the QB any time.  Knock off about 15 sacks in 100 more passing attempts this year and we'll move the ball that much better.


Team             attempts   sacks    attempts/sack
Texas A&M     537     9   59.67
Oklahoma   583   11   53.00
Oklahoma State    596   12   49.67
Texas Tech   600   19   31.58
Missouri                 383   18   21.28
Iowa State   484   27   17.93
Baylor                 424   29   14.62
Texas                 358   28   12.79
Kansas                 301   31     9.71
Kansas State   290   43     6.74

[sonofdaxjones]

Thanks for agreeing with me Hatter.   

We get so caught up with SchemeDoctor that we forget how badly Snyder-Dimel-Miller get can get clownsuited at times.

Really speaks to the need to recruit much better doesn't it?