a few 40s from KSU pro day...

[kostakio]

Prince was just a really bad evaluater of talent on the defensive side.  He recruited some good offensive players and won some recruiting battle at times but if you look at what he did on the defensive side it was beyond awful.   He also did himself no favors by hiring a buddy who was in way over his head to coach the o-line. 

[Panjandrum]

Prince was just a really bad evaluater of talent on the defensive side.  He recruited some good offensive players and won some recruiting battle at times but if you look at what he did on the defensive side it was beyond awful.   He also did himself no favors by hiring a buddy who was in way over his head to coach the o-line.

That's really simplifying it, but yeah, that's pretty much the gist of it.

Prince could recruit offensive players well (he did have an eye for them), but he had no clue how to run a defense and no one that could coach a defense (or most position groups for that matter) wanted to work for him outside of Franklin and Morris, who promptly left ASAP.

[SPEmaw]

You know OregonCock wishes KU had KSU's football program when he comes here to discuss 40 times LOL
no elite speed you say? Locket, the Browns, Harper, Brod Smith, Hubert etc. all run 4.5 or faster. Lockett and Harps in the low 4.3's
Not to mention the guys Snyder has recruited in the past. Yamon Figures ran a 4.16 at GCCC electronically timed.

FRANK MURPHY had sppppeeeeeeeeeed. JUCO 1st-Teamer and POTY before becoming a cat. Anyone remember him?

Apparently he is still playing -  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Murphy_(gridiron_football)

[steve dave]

I loved Frank Murphy

[The Manhatter]

# of draft picks by school since '00


1. tOSU: 78
2. USC: 77
3. Miami: 75
4. Georgia: 66
5. UF: 63
6. Tenn: 62
7. LSU: 61
7. FSU: 61
9. VT: 55
10: Okla: 53
11. Mich: 51
11. Wisc: 51
11. Neb: 51
14. Texas: 49
15. Bama: 47
15. ND: 47
17. PSU: 46
18. Iowa: 45
19. Cal: 42
19. AU: 42
21. Oregon: 38
22. UNC: 37
22. Stanford: 37
22. ASU: 37
25. Clemson: 35
25. Mich St: 35
27. Purdue: 34
27. Pitt: 34
27. UVA: 35
30. KSU: 33
30. Ark: 33
30: TAMU: 33
33. SoCar: 32
33. Oregon St: 32
33. U of L: 32


Despite a few down years from Snyder and the Prince years occupying 50% of the last 12 years...not a bad number.

[Katpappy]

Prince was just a really bad evaluater of talent on the defensive side.  He recruited some good offensive players and won some recruiting battle at times but if you look at what he did on the defensive side it was beyond awful.   He also did himself no favors by hiring a buddy who was in way over his head to coach the o-line.

That's really simplifying it, but yeah, that's pretty much the gist of it.

Prince could recruit offensive players well (he did have an eye for them), but he had no clue how to run a defense and no one that could coach a defense (or most position groups for that matter) wanted to work for him outside of Franklin and Morris, who promptly left ASAP.

Pan, besides bad coaching what do you think CK's game would look like if Prince was still here.  Well lets just say still his coach.

[420seriouscat69]

Man, when I opened this thread I was hoping there would be some sweet pics of players drinking 40's. I was a bit disappointed.

[Dugout DickStone]

# of draft picks by school since '00


1. tOSU: 78
2. USC: 77
3. Miami: 75
4. Georgia: 66
5. UF: 63
6. Tenn: 62
7. LSU: 61
7. FSU: 61
9. VT: 55
10: Okla: 53
11. Mich: 51
11. Wisc: 51
11. Neb: 51
14. Texas: 49
15. Bama: 47
15. ND: 47
17. PSU: 46
18. Iowa: 45
19. Cal: 42
19. AU: 42
21. Oregon: 38
22. UNC: 37
22. Stanford: 37
22. ASU: 37
25. Clemson: 35
25. Mich St: 35
27. Purdue: 34
27. Pitt: 34
27. UVA: 35
30. KSU: 33
30. Ark: 33
30: TAMU: 33
33. SoCar: 32
33. Oregon St: 32
33. U of L: 32


Despite a few down years from Snyder and the Prince years occupying 50% of the last 12 years...not a bad number.

Owning USC and Texas is just hilarious when you look at this.

[star seed 7]

I loved Frank Murphy

he looked so odd when he ran.

but remember that diving catch?      what game was that?

[The Manhatter]

I loved Frank Murphy

he looked so odd when he ran.

but remember that diving catch?      what game was that?

Iowa State '98

[Rage Against the McKee]

# of draft picks by school since '00


1. tOSU: 78
2. USC: 77
3. Miami: 75
4. Georgia: 66
5. UF: 63
6. Tenn: 62
7. LSU: 61
7. FSU: 61
9. VT: 55
10: Okla: 53
11. Mich: 51
11. Wisc: 51
11. Neb: 51
14. Texas: 49
15. Bama: 47
15. ND: 47
17. PSU: 46
18. Iowa: 45
19. Cal: 42
19. AU: 42
21. Oregon: 38
22. UNC: 37
22. Stanford: 37
22. ASU: 37
25. Clemson: 35
25. Mich St: 35
27. Purdue: 34
27. Pitt: 34
27. UVA: 35
30. KSU: 33
30. Ark: 33
30: TAMU: 33
33. SoCar: 32
33. Oregon St: 32
33. U of L: 32


Despite a few down years from Snyder and the Prince years occupying 50% of the last 12 years...not a bad number.

Owning USC and Texas is just hilarious when you look at this.

Honestly, when you look at Texas' recruiting rankings, they do a pretty shitty job of putting their players in the NFL.

[That_Guy]

Mack Brown is a crap coach. Yeah he brings in great talent, but it's Texas. Anyone could. Considering all the talent he brings in, Texas should be competing if not, playing in the national championship every year. It's sad really. He just sucks as a coach.


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[steve dave]

Mack Brown is a crap coach. Yeah he brings in great talent, but it's Texas. Anyone could. Considering all the talent he brings in, Texas should be competing if not, playing in the national championship every year. It's sad really. He just sucks as a coach.


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   Mack has had Texas in a BCS game 30% of his seasons there.  He's won 63% of his bowl games.  People turn rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) when discussing Mack Brown. 

[wetwillie]

Every year the mack haters come out of the woodwork, every year they get mushed in their fat faces. Has become quite the annual event.

[steve dave]

The "anyone can win at Texas" talking point is the absolute best.  Only two people have ever won at Texas and one of them is Mack Brown.  And he's won a lot more than the other one. 

[steve dave]

He's had Texas in either a BCS game or the cotton bowl 7 times. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

Yeah, Mack is a great college coach, and if I'm a fan of Texas, I really DGAF about NFL draft numbers. I was just surprised that they were as low as they were.

[ChiComCat]

Mack is good but not great. 

ChiCat Elite Coach Rule #1:  You can't lose to Ron Prince twice

[Panjandrum]

Prince was just a really bad evaluater of talent on the defensive side.  He recruited some good offensive players and won some recruiting battle at times but if you look at what he did on the defensive side it was beyond awful.   He also did himself no favors by hiring a buddy who was in way over his head to coach the o-line.

That's really simplifying it, but yeah, that's pretty much the gist of it.

Prince could recruit offensive players well (he did have an eye for them), but he had no clue how to run a defense and no one that could coach a defense (or most position groups for that matter) wanted to work for him outside of Franklin and Morris, who promptly left ASAP.

Pan, besides bad coaching what do you think CK's game would look like if Prince was still here.  Well lets just say still his coach.

I think he would have moved to a different position because he wouldn't have fit what it was Prince tried to run, ultimately.

I think Prince valued dual threat because in his last couple of years, Freeman did run some.  I think Prince would have tried to adjust the offense to Klein's skill set (if he were the best QB on the roster), but a lot of what Prince did with Freeman wouldn't have worked.  The offense was expanded under Freeman with a lot of deeper crossing routes, out routes, etc. that he had the ability to perform and Klein simply doesn't have the arm for.  A lot was open underneath for Freeman with guys like Banks because you had to respect his ability to throw the deep ball that simply never would have been there for Klein.

I'm going to guess that Prince may have spent a lot of time trying to work on Collin's mechanics, as well, so he may have looked completely different.  That's hard to say.  But would Klein have had the success he's had thus far under Prince?  Probably not.

One thing that Snyder does well is protect his quarterbacks from their weaknesses.  Thus far, he's done a pretty masterful job of doing that with Klein.  Prince wouldn't have done that.  He would have pushed Klein to do what he wanted as opposed to pushing the offense to do what he has the ability to do.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Mack is good but not great. 

ChiCat Elite Coach Rule #1:  You can't lose to Ron Prince twice

How do you rank a coach that has won a national championship, played for another, and gets into the BCS once every 3 years?

[ChiComCat]

Mack is good but not great. 

ChiCat Elite Coach Rule #1:  You can't lose to Ron Prince twice

How do you rank a coach that has won a national championship, played for another, and gets into the BCS once every 3 years?

In tier 2 if he lost to Ron prince twice. It's not a bad tier, just not the elite of the elite. Stoops probably has some comparable numbers, but he beat Prince so he gets tier 1.

BTW, who is the shittiest coach to get to a national title game in the last 15 years or so. Has to be Chizik, no?

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[Rage Against the McKee]

Mack is good but not great. 

ChiCat Elite Coach Rule #1:  You can't lose to Ron Prince twice

How do you rank a coach that has won a national championship, played for another, and gets into the BCS once every 3 years?

In tier 2 if he lost to Ron prince twice. It's not a bad tier, just not the elite of the elite. Stoops probably has some comparable numbers, but he beat Prince so he gets tier 1.

BTW, who is the shittiest coach to get to a national title game in the last 15 years or so. Has to be Chizik, no?

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Yes. It's between Chizik and Larry Coker.

[DQ12]

Yes. It's between Chizik and Larry Coker.

Solich?

[ew2x4]

I thought Prince was a horrible recruiter who recruited all JUCO players. Which is it?

[Rage Against the McKee]

Yes. It's between Chizik and Larry Coker.

Solich?

Didn't he go 9-2 in his worst season?