KState v. MU annual game in KC

[michigancat]

dax, I know you're mad at them.  But KSU didn't end up in a bad place.  We can still be friends with them in ways that benefit KSU, the fanbase (FUN!) and the KC community.

Until there's a new TV contract with a GoR that goes out 13-15 years, I ain't gonna buy into "KSU didn't end up in a bad place" yet.

They are the reason we had to sweat it out hard, and aren't completely home free yet.

I see no reason to reward them as they desperately try to throw bones to their generally unhappy KC metro constituency who as I said now find themselves at the far fringes of mu's new conference.

it would be great for KSU though.  don't worry about MU's nice things, worry about what nice things we have and could have.  it would be the premier college basketball event in the KC metro every single year.  it would be a way to continue the rivalry and provide a yearly non-con rivalry game to look forward to.  it would be a money maker (better than florida or bama or other garbage team that we fill most of the lower bowl ford) and we wouldn't have to worry about playing in the birmingham civic auditorium or whatever the next season.

Sorry SD.  I'd rather partner up with ku and have a little dual night tourney at Sprint every year, 2 nights, switch opponents, have an allotted number of seats for each fanbase.   Bring in teams like Louisville, Cinncy, Xavier, NC State, Villanova, Pitt, Maryland . . . decent to good programs every year.

Because tons of high profile programs are lining up to play back to back road games you dumbfuck.

[sonofdaxjones]

that sounds cowardly as crap dax

Oh Bull$hit, that's just coming from a guy who grew up 450 miles from any concentration of mu fans, who doesn't have the first effing clue of the dynamic in kc besides what he reads on a message board.

Oh, before I forget, F_ck Off cRusty!!

[OregonSmock]

dax, I know you're mad at them.  But KSU didn't end up in a bad place.  We can still be friends with them in ways that benefit KSU, the fanbase (FUN!) and the KC community.

Until there's a new TV contract with a GoR that goes out 13-15 years, I ain't gonna buy into "KSU didn't end up in a bad place" yet.

They are the reason we had to sweat it out hard, and aren't completely home free yet.

I see no reason to reward them as they desperately try to throw bones to their generally unhappy KC metro constituency who as I said now find themselves at the far fringes of mu's new conference.

it would be great for KSU though.  don't worry about MU's nice things, worry about what nice things we have and could have.  it would be the premier college basketball event in the KC metro every single year.  it would be a way to continue the rivalry and provide a yearly non-con rivalry game to look forward to.  it would be a money maker (better than florida or bama or other garbage team that we fill most of the lower bowl ford) and we wouldn't have to worry about playing in the birmingham civic auditorium or whatever the next season.

Sorry SD.  I'd rather partner up with ku and have a little dual night tourney at Sprint every year, 2 nights, switch opponents, have an allotted number of seats for each fanbase.   Bring in teams like Louisville, Cinncy, Xavier, NC State, Villanova, Pitt, Maryland . . . decent to good programs every year.

Because tons of high profile programs are lining up to play back to back road games you dumbfuck.

Good to see Rusty's fully on the oscar Weber bandwagon.  Choo choo!

[OregonSmock]

that sounds cowardly as crap dax

Oh Bull$hit, that's just coming from a guy who grew up 450 miles from any concentration of mu fans, who doesn't have the first effing clue of the dynamic in kc besides what he reads on a message board.

Oh, before I forget, F_ck Off cRusty!!

#TeamDax


 

[tdaver]

I liked how the Alabama game last year was basically a home game, except we could drink booze and then party it up at P&L.  I'd like to do that again.  I would also like to invite my MU friends to a game to watch us beat the hell out of the Tigers.  And then party it up at P&L.  We should do both.  Actually, can we move all high profile non-con home games to Sprint Center?

almost everyone but MU would require that we play a home and home or the equivelant (ie. KC and wherever garbage place in AL that we played).  MU is the only big name that we could play every single year in KC.  Well, I still hold out the tiniest amount of hope that we can get an NU basketball or football game in KC, probably not happening though. 

play a home and home then.  kc would be our home game, a different regional venue could be our opponents.  the thread you were hanging onto at the beginning of this thread snapped a long time ago.

You would rather play in KC one out of every two seasons instead of every season as some sort of salve for your painful red butt over MU leaving?  Because that's what it sounds like.

Counting next year vs Florida, we'll have played 6 noncon games at Sprint in 4 years. None of them were Mizzou. All but one were against quality teams.  There us no reason that can't continue.

Southern miss, famu, and iupui were not quality teams.

Florida, Bama, Duke, Gonzaga, UNLV, IUPUI

[michigancat]

I would rather play an annual game in KC with North Carolina.

[steve dave]

that sounds cowardly as crap dax

Oh Bull$hit, that's just coming from a guy who grew up 450 miles from any concentration of mu fans, who doesn't have the first effing clue of the dynamic in kc besides what he reads on a message board.

Oh, before I forget, F_ck Off cRusty!!

quit worrying about accidentally making MU fans happy and start concentrating on making KSU fans happy.  I know you don't like them, we are going to have to get around that. 

[sonofdaxjones]

I would rather play an annual game in KC with North Carolina.

Sounds great cRusty!

 

[OregonSmock]

that sounds cowardly as crap dax

Oh Bull$hit, that's just coming from a guy who grew up 450 miles from any concentration of mu fans, who doesn't have the first effing clue of the dynamic in kc besides what he reads on a message board.

Oh, before I forget, F_ck Off cRusty!!

quit worrying about accidentally making MU fans happy and start concentrating on making KSU fans happy.  I know you don't like them, we are going to have to get around that.

You don't represent most K-State fans.  You represent the Omaha fat face element, sure, but not the majority of K-State fans. 

[0.42]

that sounds cowardly as crap dax

Oh Bull$hit, that's just coming from a guy who grew up 450 miles from any concentration of mu fans, who doesn't have the first effing clue of the dynamic in kc besides what he reads on a message board.

Oh, before I forget, F_ck Off cRusty!!

quit worrying about accidentally making MU fans happy and start concentrating on making KSU fans happy.  I know you don't like them, we are going to have to get around that.

You don't represent most K-State fans.  You represent the Omaha fat face element, sure, but not the majority of K-State fans.

What are you doing?

[sonofdaxjones]

that sounds cowardly as crap dax

Oh Bull$hit, that's just coming from a guy who grew up 450 miles from any concentration of mu fans, who doesn't have the first effing clue of the dynamic in kc besides what he reads on a message board.

Oh, before I forget, F_ck Off cRusty!!

quit worrying about accidentally making MU fans happy and start concentrating on making KSU fans happy.  I know you don't like them, we are going to have to get around that.

I am open to changing my mind on this when:

1.  I see who the new conference commish is going to be.

2.  When the new TV contracts are finalized . . . with provisions for increasing revenue if more teams join the conference, plus what the GoR clause looks like. 

It may sound weird, but any bullet point that mushes mu's anti-KSU/Big 12 talking points is important IMO.   Any neutral site game has to be a win/not so bad if we don't win.   As of right now, I see it as a huge win/major loss if we don't win . . . that's NOT WORTH IT.   You don't enter into dumbass scenarios like that when you're not compelled to do so.



 

[catzacker]

we could have nice things w/out that meaning that a local competitor gets to have nice things in the process. 

playing mu @ sprint center = playing wsu @ intrust.

that is an awful example.  MU is on equal footing with us right now.  WSU is well below us.  we do not compete with WSU for recruits.  Losing to WSU would be humiliating and beating them meaningless.  Beating MU would be great and losing to them would not be a mid major resume loss.

in both examples, we don't need to play them, could play in the arenas and fill it without them, and a loss (or annual losses) would not threaten any loss (perceived or real) "market share" of the area the arena is located in.  Playing other people in those arenas puts the spotlight on us only.  we share nothing with anyone else.  nationally, it would be better to play people outside your regiond/time zone. 

i'd be happy playing UCLA or Memphis or Florida. All attainable, imo.

[steve dave]

we could have nice things w/out that meaning that a local competitor gets to have nice things in the process. 

playing mu @ sprint center = playing wsu @ intrust.

that is an awful example.  MU is on equal footing with us right now.  WSU is well below us.  we do not compete with WSU for recruits.  Losing to WSU would be humiliating and beating them meaningless.  Beating MU would be great and losing to them would not be a mid major resume loss.

in both examples, we don't need to play them, could play in the arenas and fill it without them, and a loss (or annual losses) would not threaten any loss (perceived or real) "market share" of the area the arena is located in.  Playing other people in those arenas puts the spotlight on us only.  we share nothing with anyone else.  nationally, it would be better to play people outside your regiond/time zone. 

i'd be happy playing UCLA or Memphis or Florida. All attainable, imo.

Have we filled the Sprint other than the Duke game? I disagree that nationally we would be better off playing anyone else if we made this an annual event.  Sure we could play any of those three teams but we are going to have to make a return trip which I don't think is worth it when we can get a high profile KC game every year.  Like you said, when we make those return trips the spotlight is only on the other team, not us. 

[michigancat]

FWIW, I would still be ok with keeping our own annual game in KC that no one notices. And lmao at thinking UCLA us attainable.

[michigancat]

we could have nice things w/out that meaning that a local competitor gets to have nice things in the process. 

playing mu @ sprint center = playing wsu @ intrust.

that is an awful example.  MU is on equal footing with us right now.  WSU is well below us.  we do not compete with WSU for recruits.  Losing to WSU would be humiliating and beating them meaningless.  Beating MU would be great and losing to them would not be a mid major resume loss.

in both examples, we don't need to play them, could play in the arenas and fill it without them, and a loss (or annual losses) would not threaten any loss (perceived or real) "market share" of the area the arena is located in.  Playing other people in those arenas puts the spotlight on us only.  we share nothing with anyone else.  nationally, it would be better to play people outside your regiond/time zone. 

i'd be happy playing UCLA or Memphis or Florida. All attainable, imo.

Have we filled the Sprint other than the Duke game? I disagree that nationally we would be better off playing anyone else if we made this an annual event.  Sure we could play any of those three teams but we are going to have to make a return trip which I don't think is worth it when we can get a high profile KC game every year.  Like you said, when we make those return trips the spotlight is only on the other team, not us.

All the return games (unlv, bama, uf), were broadcast by Ben Boyle. Big time games.

[sonofdaxjones]

I still like you guys BTW . . . even cRusty.

But sometimes boy . . . 

[steve dave]

I still like you guys BTW . . . even cRusty.

But sometimes boy . . . 

we don't have to agree on everything, we can still be buds.  get past our differences of opinion and not have any mean/vindictive personal feelings towards each other, just like KSU & MU playing an annual non-con basketball extraveganza on a weekend in KC

[sonofdaxjones]

I still like you guys BTW . . . even cRusty.

But sometimes boy . . . 

we don't have to agree on everything, we can still be buds.  get past our differences of opinion and not having any mean personal feelings towards each other, just like KSU & MU playing an annual non-con basketball extraveganza on a weekend in KC

As I said, a couple of things fall into place, and I could change my mind easily.

[steve dave]

I still like you guys BTW . . . even cRusty.

But sometimes boy . . . 

we don't have to agree on everything, we can still be buds.  get past our differences of opinion and not having any mean personal feelings towards each other, just like KSU & MU playing an annual non-con basketball extraveganza on a weekend in KC

As I said, a couple of things fall into place, and I could change my mind easily.

 

[Dugout DickStone]

I think playing Missouri hurts the image of our program.

[catzacker]

we could have nice things w/out that meaning that a local competitor gets to have nice things in the process. 

playing mu @ sprint center = playing wsu @ intrust.

that is an awful example.  MU is on equal footing with us right now.  WSU is well below us.  we do not compete with WSU for recruits.  Losing to WSU would be humiliating and beating them meaningless.  Beating MU would be great and losing to them would not be a mid major resume loss.

in both examples, we don't need to play them, could play in the arenas and fill it without them, and a loss (or annual losses) would not threaten any loss (perceived or real) "market share" of the area the arena is located in.  Playing other people in those arenas puts the spotlight on us only.  we share nothing with anyone else.  nationally, it would be better to play people outside your regiond/time zone. 

i'd be happy playing UCLA or Memphis or Florida. All attainable, imo.

Have we filled the Sprint other than the Duke game? I disagree that nationally we would be better off playing anyone else if we made this an annual event.  Sure we could play any of those three teams but we are going to have to make a return trip which I don't think is worth it when we can get a high profile KC game every year.  Like you said, when we make those return trips the spotlight is only on the other team, not us.

completely sold out?  I dunno.  But UNLV and Bama were well attended, weren't they?  like 90% capacity? 85%?    And playing someone outside your region provides a more national and local coverage.  nationally, everyone talks about both; locally, only us (regardless of the location).  IMO, it's a win/win for us on a regional and national level.  I don't care about going to another venue (gets the team ready for Brucebruary).

[Skipper44]

If you're doing it right, your noncon return games are where you recruit.  Obviously Frank wanted to play games in FL, I guess BW would   want to play games in the upper midwest (NW, DePaul) and maybe some of his coaching buds like Izzo or Painter will play him.  SD will just have to squint his eyes a bit to make those black and gold pullovers look like they say Mizzou.

[0.42]

I think playing Missouri hurts the image of our program.

whoa, this is a solid right hook to the jaw of team steve dave. not sure what to think now guys.

[steve dave]

we could have nice things w/out that meaning that a local competitor gets to have nice things in the process. 

playing mu @ sprint center = playing wsu @ intrust.

that is an awful example.  MU is on equal footing with us right now.  WSU is well below us.  we do not compete with WSU for recruits.  Losing to WSU would be humiliating and beating them meaningless.  Beating MU would be great and losing to them would not be a mid major resume loss.

in both examples, we don't need to play them, could play in the arenas and fill it without them, and a loss (or annual losses) would not threaten any loss (perceived or real) "market share" of the area the arena is located in.  Playing other people in those arenas puts the spotlight on us only.  we share nothing with anyone else.  nationally, it would be better to play people outside your regiond/time zone. 

i'd be happy playing UCLA or Memphis or Florida. All attainable, imo.

Have we filled the Sprint other than the Duke game? I disagree that nationally we would be better off playing anyone else if we made this an annual event.  Sure we could play any of those three teams but we are going to have to make a return trip which I don't think is worth it when we can get a high profile KC game every year.  Like you said, when we make those return trips the spotlight is only on the other team, not us.

completely sold out?  I dunno.  But UNLV and Bama were well attended, weren't they?  like 90% capacity? 85%?    And playing someone outside your region provides a more national and local coverage.  nationally, everyone talks about both; locally, only us (regardless of the location).  IMO, it's a win/win for us on a regional and national level.  I don't care about going to another venue (gets the team ready for Brucebruary).

I don't recall those games being that well attended but I could be misremembering them.  I guess we just don't agree on the outside your region argument.  I think MU would provide much more attention because we have the history/rivalry with them and now with the conference change it adds that dimension.  The fanbases already don't like each other for the most part so there is added interest there.  Plus both fanbases can easily get to the game every year while the return game at bama or wherever is a hard sell for a lot of fans to travel to. 

[michigancat]

completely sold out?  I dunno.  But UNLV and Bama were well attended, weren't they?  like 90% capacity? 85%?    And playing someone outside your region provides a more national and local coverage.  nationally, everyone talks about both; locally, only us (regardless of the location).  IMO, it's a win/win for us on a regional and national level.  I don't care about going to another venue (gets the team ready for Brucebruary).

MU/Illinois gets far more coverage nationally than any of our KC games have received (except maybe the Pullen suspension game). Plus no one gives a crap about our "road neutral" games as evidenced by the fact that they haven't even cracked ESPNU. They're a complete waste for what we receive. Cumulatively, two games vs. MU over two years gives us far more national exposure than the KC/Mobile home-home.