Tipping

[michigancat]

Having overseen a bellstaff at a resort, one thing that drove me nuts was people accepting an optional service and not tipping for it.  We did bell service and free optional valet.  If you don't want to tip, park yourself and get your own bags.  If you would rather have help, tip.  Granted, we paid our staff well above minimum wage too.  It was amazing how well tips motivated what turned out to be the best employees.  Usually if I was training someone, I could pull in an average of $10 a guest.

At lots of places bellstaff isn't really an optional service. I mean, I suppose it could be, but it's difficult to turn down without being rude.

[Emo EMAW]

Having overseen a bellstaff at a resort, one thing that drove me nuts was people accepting an optional service and not tipping for it.  We did bell service and free optional valet.  If you don't want to tip, park yourself and get your own bags.  If you would rather have help, tip.  Granted, we paid our staff well above minimum wage too.  It was amazing how well tips motivated what turned out to be the best employees.  Usually if I was training someone, I could pull in an average of $10 a guest.

At lots of places bellstaff isn't really an optional service. I mean, I suppose it could be, but it's difficult to turn down without being rude.

 

[sys]

Having overseen a bellstaff at a resort, one thing that drove me nuts was people accepting an optional service and not tipping for it.  We did bell service and free optional valet.  If you don't want to tip, park yourself and get your own bags.  If you would rather have help, tip.  Granted, we paid our staff well above minimum wage too.  It was amazing how well tips motivated what turned out to be the best employees.  Usually if I was training someone, I could pull in an average of $10 a guest.

why do you say you offer free valet service if you expect clients to pay for it?

[Mrs. Gooch]

Having overseen a bellstaff at a resort, one thing that drove me nuts was people accepting an optional service and not tipping for it.  We did bell service and free optional valet.  If you don't want to tip, park yourself and get your own bags.  If you would rather have help, tip.  Granted, we paid our staff well above minimum wage too.  It was amazing how well tips motivated what turned out to be the best employees.  Usually if I was training someone, I could pull in an average of $10 a guest.

At lots of places bellstaff isn't really an optional service. I mean, I suppose it could be, but it's difficult to turn down without being rude.

Yes.

[pissclams]

why wouldn't i want to pay a guy $5 to carry my bags? that's what vacation is all about.

[TownieCat]

I tip my barber, who happens to be the owner of the barbershop. Can someone please tell me if this is moral or not? TIA.

[Mrs. Gooch]

I hate it when there are bag guys at the airport who want you to pay them $5 to move your bag 10 feet.

[Mrs. Gooch]

I tip my barber, who happens to be the owner of the barbershop. Can someone please tell me if this is moral or not? TIA.

It is not necessary but still ok.

[sys]

I tip my barber, who happens to be the owner of the barbershop. Can someone please tell me if this is moral or not? TIA.

it is immoral, but since trim does it, by definition it is ethical.

[Emo EMAW]

Great point TownieCat!  We hired some dudes to do some stone work in our basement.  They were not the owners of the company, and they busted their asses to be done in one day, so I tipped them $100 total ($50 each).  We hired another guy to take the popcorn off the sealing and paint and such.  He was his own boss/company, so I did not tip him. 

[Mrs. Gooch]

Great point TownieCat!  We hired some dudes to do some stone work in our basement.  They were not the owners of the company, and they busted their asses to be done in one day, so I tipped them $100 total ($50 each).  We hired another guy to take the popcorn off the sealing and paint and such.  He was his own boss/company, so I did not tip him.

What would you do if you hired someone to do some work and the workers were two guys, one of which is the owner?

[TownieCat]

I always thought one of the perks of working for tips was that you didn't have to claim that money on your taxes. Maybe some of it, but definitely not all of it. So if you think about it the recipients of the tips are the ones who are being immoral AND unethical.

[Emo EMAW]

Great point TownieCat!  We hired some dudes to do some stone work in our basement.  They were not the owners of the company, and they busted their asses to be done in one day, so I tipped them $100 total ($50 each).  We hired another guy to take the popcorn off the sealing and paint and such.  He was his own boss/company, so I did not tip him.

What would you do if you hired someone to do some work and the workers were two guys, one of which is the owner?

In that case I would slip the worker (non-owner) a bill when the owner wasn't looking, and if we were caught I would pretend the worker was in fact slipping me something, and I would produce a hand written note that said something like "HELP!  I'M BEING HELD AGAINST MY WILL AND FORCED TO WORK THIS crap JOB!"

[_33]

I always thought one of the perks of working for tips was that you didn't have to claim that money on your taxes. Maybe some of it, but definitely not all of it. So if you think about it the recipients of the tips are the ones who are being immoral AND unethical.

You have to report all of your tips on your taxes.  They make up part of your taxable income.  Also you have to pay social security and medicare taxes on it.

[TownieCat]

I always thought one of the perks of working for tips was that you didn't have to claim that money on your taxes. Maybe some of it, but definitely not all of it. So if you think about it the recipients of the tips are the ones who are being immoral AND unethical.

You have to report all of your tips on your taxes.  They make up part of your taxable income.  Also you have to pay social security and medicare taxes on it.

 

Yeah, ok...

[CNS]

In that case, this discussion is moot, as no one receives any tips what so ever. 

[420seriouscat69]

I always thought one of the perks of working for tips was that you didn't have to claim that money on your taxes. Maybe some of it, but definitely not all of it. So if you think about it the recipients of the tips are the ones who are being immoral AND unethical.

You have to report all of your tips on your taxes.  They make up part of your taxable income.  Also you have to pay social security and medicare taxes on it.

 

Yeah, ok...

You actually do. Like, you can't leave your place of employment until you put them in. Your manager checks you out to make sure you did it right.

[CNS]

[Mrs. Gooch]

I always thought one of the perks of working for tips was that you didn't have to claim that money on your taxes. Maybe some of it, but definitely not all of it. So if you think about it the recipients of the tips are the ones who are being immoral AND unethical.

You have to report all of your tips on your taxes.  They make up part of your taxable income.  Also you have to pay social security and medicare taxes on it.

 

Yeah, ok...

You actually do. Like, you can't leave your place of employment until you put them in. Your manager checks you out to make sure you did it right.

Can't you just say "I had 3 twenty dollar bills in my pocket when I got here today."?

[420seriouscat69]

I guess you could, but I didn't know many servers in college who had 3 $20 bills on them.

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Lol

[ChiComCat]

Having overseen a bellstaff at a resort, one thing that drove me nuts was people accepting an optional service and not tipping for it.  We did bell service and free optional valet.  If you don't want to tip, park yourself and get your own bags.  If you would rather have help, tip.  Granted, we paid our staff well above minimum wage too.  It was amazing how well tips motivated what turned out to be the best employees.  Usually if I was training someone, I could pull in an average of $10 a guest.

why do you say you offer free valet service if you expect clients to pay for it?

It's offered without an expectation of payment by the hotel.  Our staff expects payment.

As far refusing bell service, that happens all the time. Granted a family of 4 or people staying 4 days plus will take it nearly every time, but a lot of 2 night business trip people have their roller bag and don't need help. 

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ChiCat bringing some good points about why tipping is stupid

[TownieCat]

I was unaware that managers give bartenders and servers patdowns after each shift. Yikes 

[ChiComCat]

ChiCat bringing some good points about why tipping is stupid

I think it's stupid, but it is a societal norm.  I like the restaurants that have stopped accepting tips and instead, pay their staff a living wage.  That doesn't mean that I am not going to tip and force mistreated employees to suffer the consequences.