I hope we win

[h8ku]

And all it took was a little input from Steve Dave and all of Wildcat Nation supported the man.

no they didn't you rough ridin' dumbass.

I'm sorry, but most fans won't want to see our program lose. IMO, it would put us in an even deeper hole.

No fans want to see our program fail, or else they wouldn't be fans. Whether you agree with it or not there is a school of thought that there is a long-term benefit if a coach or A.D. fails so we can get a decent replacement.
I don't agree with boycotting games and shitting all over the team. But airplane banners and billboards saying "Fire John Currie" takes out little collateral damage, if any. Not the players, not the coach, just the F'ing A.D. who put us in this dilemma. If Weber wins and continuous to win 5 yrs down the road, the program will be fine. I still will refuse to give Currie credit in the unlikely event that happens, because I am convinced his motives were to serve his own best interest and not the programs.

[Dr Rick Daris]

the problem with winning is that _fan and rake are right, weber is good enough (and lucky enough to have inherited a very solid team) that he'll win more than enough to stay for a decade or more.  and i'm right that he's not good enough for me to want him at kstate for that long.

this is my worst nightmare. it could easily happen.

[naturalselection]

Another layer of this is I'm not sure we can just hope that Currie moves on to greener pastures in a couple years.  Just wait it out and he'll be gone anyway.

Frank Martin could well build South Carolina into a winning program.  He could well be a rock star coach despite what our athletic department wants us to believe.  It's not out of the realm of possibility (imo) that Frank finds a way onto the bubble next season, gets in.  Hell maybe wins a game.  Has a much better then expected season and follows it up the next year with a sweet 16 run.  Passes the KSU basketball program in year 2 at USC.

At the same time we continue along our path of hyper compliance.  Maybe somewhat limiting our success on the field/court, but that's not even the real issue.  Just being out there as being proactive in that regards as a department. 

oscar Weber does ok in his first couple seasons, not a belly flop, but what does John Currie have on his resume to "move up"?  What big time school is going to be impressed by his ability to raise funds and build facilities?  They do that anyway.  What big time school is going to hire the ad who ran of his program's rock star coach for a milk toast replacement and is going to nickle/dime them with the NCAA?

We'll be hoping he takes a lateral move before the football job comes open.  But he'll have a UP here that's totally behind him, and he's already couped his way to king of his roost.  Why would we think he'd start that over at Northwestern?   Because some of the KSU fans hate him and send him nasty emails?

That's the nagging doubt I have about the "let this whole thing play out" strategy. 

[michigancat]

the problem with winning is that _fan and rake are right, weber is good enough (and lucky enough to have inherited a very solid team) that he'll win more than enough to stay for a decade or more.  and i'm right that he's not good enough for me to want him at kstate for that long.

this is my worst nightmare. it could easily happen.

Yeah, sys articulated my fears very well.  He should be fired if he doesn't match Martin's last five years, but I don't see that happening. There will be plenty of excuses for him if the initial reaction to his hiring is any indication.

[Pexikan]

SD has a huge fanbase. Bigger than Prince. Or Purple Reign.

[michigancat]

I get the feeling that Martin was held to a higher standard than Weber ever will. Which makes me sad.

Am I crazy (for thinking this)?

[Dr Rick Daris]

I get the feeling that Martin was held to a higher standard than Weber ever will. Which makes me sad.

Am I crazy (for thinking this)?

no. you are right.

[sys]

Am I crazy (for thinking this)?

no.

[j-dub]

Am I crazy (for thinking this)?

no.

that's the problem. he's nice and white and safe. if he wins at all, the tucks won't ever let him leave.

i hate us.

[EllToPay]

the most ideal scenario is the cats winning while angel, jo, rod and co. completely ignore anything oscar says and just play ball.

[OK_Cat]

This reminds me of the stupid kony2012 crap. Everybody talked about it for a few days then it was old news.

eff you guys. You werent angry to begin with, you just wanted to have fun on twitter and have a reason to try and get on the news.

My ass isn't watching another game until he's gone, because I actually give a crap about the program and I'm not going to bend over and take it up the ass.

[0.42]

The major disconnect that I've seen in our discussions over the past few days is that we all have different definitions on what supporting the program means. There's a "spare the rod, spoil the child" approach that encompasses the "don't give, don't go" mindset while others say we can't cut off our nose to spite our face. We all care about k-state. We wouldn't have melted down and ended up at the Ernie Barnett statue this weekend if we hadn't.

I like _FAN's approach. Do whatever you think supports the program, whether that be get on the Weber bandwagon all the way, get on the bandwagon but try to force out Currie, or cut all ties until Currie's gone.

[Winters]

This reminds me of the stupid kony2012 crap. Everybody talked about it for a few days then it was old news.

eff you guys. You werent angry to begin with, you just wanted to have fun on twitter and have a reason to try and get on the news.

My ass isn't watching another game until he's gone, because I actually give a crap about the program and I'm not going to bend over and take it up the ass.

I don't know. I was pretty mad.

[OK_Cat]

you're a hero, winters.  don't ever forget it.

[Trim]

Do whatever you want re: KSU hoops going forward.  I'm indifferent myself.

March 2012 was a symptom of the long-existing Currie problem.  Weber's '12-'13 season is irrelevant to that problem. 

[0.42]

This reminds me of the stupid kony2012 crap. Everybody talked about it for a few days then it was old news.

eff you guys. You werent angry to begin with, you just wanted to have fun on twitter and have a reason to try and get on the news.

My ass isn't watching another game until he's gone, because I actually give a crap about the program and I'm not going to bend over and take it up the ass.

BTW after talking to CC in the hiring process thread I'm still not enamored with Currie. Do I think he's an evil genius that wants to pull the plug on K-State sports? Not really, but he's absolutely out for himself over us if you press him. Did he make us look small-timey and mishandle a number of things within the past couple of weeks? Absolutely, CC said as much. The fact that he basically botched his first big-time hire is troubling. I don't trust him when it comes to replacing Snyder. I'm still okay with wanting Currie run out of of town.

[Brock Landers]

I don't hate oscar Weber, I merely hate the fact that he is our head coach.  If he was my neighbor that would be okay.  I know he would let me borrow tools and stuff and not even say anything if I took too long or just flat out forgot to return them.  And I bet if I ran into him at the Sheridan's in Topeka he would know some of their secret off the menu items.

Oh and imagine how nice his yard and house would look too.  It would force me to mow my yard more often to keep up with him   

Unfortunately none of this crap has anything to do with Weber being anything more than a mediocre coach.

[j-dub]

This reminds me of the stupid kony2012 crap. Everybody talked about it for a few days then it was old news.

eff you guys. You werent angry to begin with, you just wanted to have fun on twitter and have a reason to try and get on the news.

My ass isn't watching another game until he's gone, because I actually give a crap about the program and I'm not going to bend over and take it up the ass.

i felt physically ill and couldn't hide my anger at the rally. i can't fake that bro. unfortunately, my priorities are jacked and i'm a mess over this.

[LickNeckey]

I don't hate oscar Weber, I merely hate the fact that he is our head coach.  If he was my neighbor that would be okay.  I know he would let me borrow tools and stuff and not even say anything if I took too long or just flat out forgot to return them.  And I bet if I ran into him at the Sheridan's in Topeka he would know some of their secret off the menu items.

Oh and imagine how nice his yard and house would look too.  It would force me to mow my yard more often to keep up with him   

Unfortunately none of this crap has anything to do with Weber being anything more than a mediocre coach.

This. 

I have said i will not give a penny or step foot in the ood until both are gone.  I mean this. 

Do I think it will make a difference or anyone will really notice?  not really

But that being said I simply can't go back to supporting mediocrity.  I have only missed a couple games since 2000 many of which were marked by emotional indifference.  Watching a product that was impossible to truly invest in.  Did I cheer? Sure.  Did I boo?  Damn Right.  But it wass mostly an opportunity to hang out with friends and munch some Hotchos.

Sitting in Bramlage during the Huggins press conference filled me with hope, optimism, and put a smile on my face.  That smile and optimism died Saturday.

Who is too blame?  I am not sure i have enough information to fully answer that question.  What i do know is that I cant go back to supporting mediocrity.  I can't.  I have tried to get excited about what Weber might do different this time around. I can't.  I have tried to tell myself to support the kids and not the hire. I can't.

This all makes me terribly sad.  A foolish reponse?  Sure.  But very real.

 

[Rams]

Do I think he's an evil genius that wants to pull the plug on K-State sports? Not really, but he's absolutely out for himself over us if you press him.

This is a non-starter.  Any coach or AD we will ever have in history is going to be "out for himself over us."  It's human nature.  Hell, we have a football coach right now that is the human embodiment of KSU football and it's pretty a pretty standard viewpoint that he still puts himself over the program and school.  Finding a coach/AD that cares about KSU more than furthering his own career who is ALSO really good at his job would be like hitting the lottery...twice...in the same year.  You simply can't have it both ways.  Luckily for us in MOST cases, furthering their career also means doing what's best for KSU in the short term until they leave.

[steve dave]

people seem to be taking this thread to mean something it doesn't:

A) I think Weber was a bad hire
B) Fire John Currie
C) I hope we win anyway

[kso_FAN]

Apparently people read it this way.

A) I think Weber was a great hire
B) I love John Currie
C) I hope we win

[0.42]

people seem to be taking this thread to mean something it doesn't:

A) I think Weber was a bad hire
B) Fire John Currie
C) I hope we win anyway

This is about where I am.

[kso_FAN]

My desire for K-State to win > my lack of acceptance of the oscar Weber hire.

I'm on record as saying hoping for K-State to lose just isn't in my DNA.

The logical progression is that if I'm hoping for K-State to win, I'm hoping for oscar Weber to be successful. I fully realize the track record, the last 6 years, etc. and that this probably isn't likely.

And certainly my view of hope is different from michigancat's.

[CHONGS]

Deep down in our hearts, I think we all hoped....