Sifting through the ashes

[catzacker]

As I begin to try to find ways to not just quit on life, I decided to dig into someone who makes me uncomfortable's career. 

First, let's look at recruiting:  I'm looking at rivals top 150

2003: 31, 53
2004: 78
2005:
2006: 77
2007: 125, 78
2008:
2009: 120, 128, 42, 38
2010: 84, 31, 35
2011: 39, 58, 59, 97

You'll notice a trend starting in 2009.  That's entirely due to Jerrance Howard who came in 2008 (according to rivals, he is attributed w/ 8 of the 150 kids since 2009).  There's been some tweets that have indicated that Howard isn't coming to KSU with oscar. 

Let's look at his record:

First 4 years:  48-16 in conference, 4ncaa's, 1 Sweet 16, 1 Championship Game Appearance.
Last 5 years:  41-49 in conference, 2ncaa's 1 NIT, 2 years w/out post season.

I've probably not said anything that hasn't already been said. I mean, we'll probably be good next year.  Good enough to get into the tourney.  But after that?  All signs point to an iceberg dead ahead.  It's hard to imagine otherwise when we have ample evidence to suggest we're going to have a slow, boring death.

[ChiComCat]

It's hard to imagine otherwise when we have ample evidence to suggest we're going to have a slow, boring death.

Is this not the worse part?  I at least think that our fanbase has come far enough in the last few years to recognize it and not buy into the "its turning around, next season will be a good one" bullshit

[unleashthemob]

Just curious, if there were enough complaints about this, could the board of regents step in and nix this?

[Dugout DickStone]

Even if it works I am likely done.  Currie tells more lies than truths and treats his bosses like he hates them.

Did we discuss how Currie told Snyder he couldn't hire Leavitt?

[j-dub]

It's hard to imagine otherwise when we have ample evidence to suggest we're going to have a slow, boring death.

Is this not the worse part?  I at least think that our fanbase has come far enough in the last few years to recognize it and not buy into the "its turning around, next season will be a good one" bullshit

i was at the rally turned fire currie debacle yesterday. a few of us got interviewed by reporters and that is exactly what i said. a slow boring death.. the worst possible way to follow upon the best 6 years in the last 25. currie just broke us.

[hemmy]

Even if it works I am likely done.  Currie tells more lies than truths and treats his bosses like he hates them.

Did we discuss how Currie told Snyder he couldn't hire Leavitt?

No, please post in people deserve good things board.

[yosh]

Good post.  This summer's recruiting will tell us a lot about how the next four years will go.  If we end up with a lot of three star unranked guys, I think your dead on.  Probably looking at NCAAs in the first year, couple NITs then a Wooly-like season.  I think that would end Weber and Currie.  If he can figure out a way to get some talent in this fall, I still think we take a bit of a dip after next year, then trend upwards a bit.

I think this is a 4 to 5 year tenure no matter what. 

[Houstoncat93]

It's hard to imagine otherwise when we have ample evidence to suggest we're going to have a slow, boring death.

Is this not the worse part?  I at least think that our fanbase has come far enough in the last few years to recognize it and not buy into the "its turning around, next season will be a good one" bullshit

Our fanbase lives for "its turning around next year"  There were plenty of people who were still arguing that Wooly and Prince should have kept there jobs "just one more year".

[catzacker]

Good post.  This summer's recruiting will tell us a lot about how the next four years will go.  If we end up with a lot of three star unranked guys, I think your dead on.  Probably looking at NCAAs in the first year, couple NITs then a Wooly-like season.  I think that would end Weber and Currie.  If he can figure out a way to get some talent in this fall, I still think we take a bit of a dip after next year, then trend upwards a bit.

I think this is a 4 to 5 year tenure no matter what.

I think so too.  I'm just worried about what it will look like in 4/5 years.  I highly doubt Currie will be here.  I am curious if Bill will be.  I wouldn't think so.  If oscar fails to get someone who can recruit, it should go down hill fairly quickly.  I'd imagine by year 3 it will be evident, and if Currie is gone by then, the new AD will have all the ammo he needs to fire him after 4 years.  But then what?  What will our expectations be?  I fear the collective will fall back into the apathetic, disgraceful "just make it to the NIT so we can feel like 'next year' we'll be good" mode.  the "best" thing for MBB's was bill and football failing when it did.  It left the collective with no "out" emotionally.

I kind of chuckled when Currie said something to the affect of "it was my job to get a coach who could win now for these seniors".  I'm coming from a distrusting, bias place but to me he was saying "it's important for my career that we get a coach who can win now, so I can get out before this fails".