SUPPORT oscar WEBER

[OregonSmock]

I supported Turner Gill and I totally regret it now.  Dude sucked and completely wiped out all of the momentum Mangino had built up.  Don't make the same mistake I made, 'cat fans.

[scoops callahan]

I'm supporting my school. It's not Weber's fault that Currie is a dumbass. I see your point though.

THIS

[AzCat]

I supported Turner Gill and I totally regret it now.

That's odd, I supported Turner Gill too and I don't regret it at all.   

[OregonSmock]

Well, I'm not going to support Weber, and I'm going to miss Frank.  Thanks a lot, Currie.

 

[catzacker]

I'm supporting my school. It's not Weber's fault that Currie is a dumbass. I see your point though.

THIS

you would have made a fantastic nazi.

[scoops callahan]

I'm supporting my school. It's not Weber's fault that Currie is a dumbass. I see your point though.

THIS

you would have made a fantastic nazi.

you would make a fantastic jackass, oh wait..... 

[Barry McCockner]

I'm supporting my school. It's not Weber's fault that Currie is a dumbass. I see your point though.

THIS

you would have made a fantastic nazi.

So rough ridin' true.  Scoops is burning Jews.

[scoops callahan]

If what they are saying about the whole staff leaving to SC, I am fully off Team oscar Weber and i will not be supporting kstate basketball til hes gone.

[SdK]

If what they are saying about the whole staff leaving to SC, I am fully off Team oscar Weber and i will not be supporting kstate basketball til hes gone.

 

[Deez Nutz]

If what they are saying about the whole staff leaving to SC, I am fully off Team oscar Weber and i will not be supporting kstate basketball til hes gone.

So in the mean time you have probably already burned half a dozen Jews, right?   

[scoops callahan]

If what they are saying about the whole staff leaving to SC, I am fully off Team oscar Weber and i will not be supporting kstate basketball til hes gone.

So in the mean time you have probably already burned half a dozen Jews, right?   

Stop.

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If what they are saying about the whole staff leaving to SC, I am fully off Team oscar Weber and i will not be supporting kstate basketball til hes gone.

Hear that sound? That's you reeling me back to team SCOOPS

[scoops callahan]

If what they are saying about the whole staff leaving to SC, I am fully off Team oscar Weber and i will not be supporting kstate basketball til hes gone.

Hear that sound? That's you reeling me back to team SCOOPS

THIS #teamscoops

[ZmoneyKSU]

Well, I'm not going to support Weber, and I'm going to miss Frank.  Thanks a lot, Currie.

 

You know it's bad when you keep hearing this statement from opposing fans.  Even KU fans realize K-State just put a gun our own mouth and pulled the trigger.

[MichiganisGood]

Couple things..

First of all the guy is not Turner rough ridin' Gill..

He won 68% of his games in one of the best basketball conferences in the country and was there for nearly 10yrs..

First off lets talk about Illinois, they have sky high expectations and their program has NEVER done crap, Weber had probably the best career of any coach there ever.. They have 2 Final 4's in the modern era (one of which was under Weber), 3 Elite eights and very few conference titles.. Winning 20 games a year there is an accomplishment historically, and that's not even taking into account his impressive run at So. Illinois..

The notion that he can't recruit is B.S. too, it stems him from not being able to lock down elite Chicago talent, well guess what, Illinois has NEVER locked down elite chicago talent!! EVER!! Bill Self was able to land some of the 2nd tier guys but there were plenty of rumors that it wasn't all above board.. Chicago is a pro sports town, nobody gives a crap about the Illini, kids there don't grow up dreaming to play for them and even if they did it's pretty common knowledge that the elite chicago AAU kids come with a price tag.. Those kids go to blue blood programs or whoever pays the most, always have and always will.. He signed over 9 top 100 guys while at Illinois and had a couple more coming in.. Illinois always had talent under Weber though, even this year, his worst year ever he had one of the more talented rosters in the big 10.

Which leads to my next point, the knock on oscar is that he's a softy.. Pretty much the opposite of Frank Martin, he's very much a players coach which can be good but he's too much of a push over.. They are usually a talented but undisciplined team, especially lately as they haven't had a leader on the floor to keep the guys in line.. This year for example they were 15-3 atop the big 10 with wins over MSU,OSU,Gonzaga.. Had a lottery pick in Meyer Leonard and 2 great scorers in Paul,Richardson.. They finished with 17 wins, and were blown out by Nebraska..  If they have a good leader on the team ala Dee Brown they usually had good-great seasons, if they didn't have a true leader on the floor they would fold under the first sign of adversity and Brucie couldn't reel em back in..

I can understand not being excited about the hire, the guy has his warts, but he's not Wooldridge or Turner Gill. The guy went to an NC game for christsakes!! He's had some of the best career marks at both of his previous programs, the guy can coach and I think KSU is probably a better fit for a guy coach like oscar than Illinois..


I understand the frustration with your AD, he ran off a great coach on the rise in Martin and then went the 'safe' route when hiring his replacement,  he seems like a rough ridin' moron.. Still, I don't think your basketball program is doomed, if Weber learned anything at all from his mistakes at Illinois he has the potential to do great things..

Just my opinion, feel free to shout me down and call me a dumbass.. 

[ChiComCat]

Nothing weber has said or done so far shows any indication of him learning anything from his mistakes. The recruits he got, seem to be the work of someone not coming with him. His style of basketball, not so much screams, but politely taps you on the shoulder and explains boring. I'll miss the intensity and accountability the most.

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[MichiganisGood]

Nothing weber has said or done so far shows any indication of him learning anything from his mistakes. The recruits he got, seem to be the work of someone not coming with him. His style of basketball, not so much screams, but politely taps you on the shoulder and explains boring. I'll miss the intensity and accountability the most.

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I don't think his style is that boring compared to some of the other teams in the big 10, he's a great x and o's guy who sometimes lets the inmates run the asylum.. I think the awkward Purdue presser showed that he at least understands where he mumped up, can he turn it around and be more of a hard ass in the future ?? I don't know, but realizing you have a problem is always the first step..

He's pretty much the exact opposite of Martin, which may be exactly why your AD decided to go that route..

He really only had 2 bad seasons at Illinois, the one year they had the crazy injury and DWI incident which crippled them and then last season where the team just kind of quit on him.. If he can win 68% of his games and take you to the tourney 8 out of 10 years then I think you guys would be pretty happy, and there is really no reason to think he can't IMO..

[AzCat]

Illinois always had talent under Weber though, even this year, his worst year ever he had one of the more talented rosters in the big 10.

Yes, reread this statment a half-dozen times, slowly, as realization of the horror show that KSU basketball is about to become slowly dawns on you.  He flamed out with enormous talent at IL, what do you suppose he's going to do at KSU with talent that he's got to wrestle away from mid-major also-rans?

[Mr Bread]

The notion that he can't recruit is B.S. too, it stems him from not being able to lock down elite Chicago talent, well guess what, Illinois has NEVER locked down elite chicago talent!! EVER!! Bill Self was able to land some of the 2nd tier guys but there were plenty of rumors that it wasn't all above board.. Chicago is a pro sports town, nobody gives a crap about the Illini, kids there don't grow up dreaming to play for them and even if they did it's pretty common knowledge that the elite chicago AAU kids come with a price tag.. Those kids go to blue blood programs or whoever pays the most, always have and always will.. He signed over 9 top 100 guys while at Illinois and had a couple more coming in.. Illinois always had talent under Weber though, even this year, his worst year ever he had one of the more talented rosters in the big 10.

Which leads to my next point, the knock on oscar is that he's a softy.. Pretty much the opposite of Frank Martin, he's very much a players coach which can be good but he's too much of a push over.. They are usually a talented but undisciplined team, especially lately as they haven't had a leader on the floor to keep the guys in line.. This year for example they were 15-3 atop the big 10 with wins over MSU,OSU,Gonzaga.. Had a lottery pick in Meyer Leonard and 2 great scorers in Paul,Richardson.. They finished with 17 wins, and were blown out by Nebraska..  If they have a good leader on the team ala Dee Brown they usually had good-great seasons, if they didn't have a true leader on the floor they would fold under the first sign of adversity and Brucie couldn't reel em back in..

You are completely full of crap.  Where to begin?  Weber's worst year ever was 2007-08 when he set the Illinois program record for most losses in a season. 

"Illinois always had talent under Weber though, even this year, his worst year ever he had one of the more talented rosters in the big 10."  How is that possibly a positive?  He has one of the most talented teams in the conference (which is true btw) and he finished at the bottom?  Doesn't that mean he's a shitty coach?

I have never once heard anyone refer to Weber as a players' coach.  Ever.  Because it's not true.  He is socially awkward and insecure.  He has displayed a repeated and absolute inability to motivate and inspire his players.  Being an ineffectual pussy is not the same thing as being a players' coach. 

You inadvertently hit the nail on the head though.  If the team doesn't completely lead itself, you're screwed with Weber.  He's just a hand-holder.  The dog walker of the coaching profession.  Give him talented kids that are self-motivated and he won't eff it up. 

Also, please let the Weber being a great Xs and Os coach myth die.  He runs the "motion" on offense, which generally means monotonously passing or dribbling the ball around the perimeter ultimately resulting in a forced/contested shot as the shot clock expires and next to no free throw attempts during the game.  The best part is he NEVER changes or modifies it even when it's clear his players have no idea how to run it.  Those are some next-level tactics right there.  Straight man-to-man on defense for every opponent and in every situation.  Maybe a little press at the end of a game when he's down big and desperate.  Clear schematic advantage going forward for KSU.   

You do realize that when you polish a turd, all you really accomplish is to expose more turd to the world? 

[bruce]

I love you, Mr Bread.

[doom]

The notion that he can't recruit is B.S. too, it stems him from not being able to lock down elite Chicago talent, well guess what, Illinois has NEVER locked down elite chicago talent!! EVER!! Bill Self was able to land some of the 2nd tier guys but there were plenty of rumors that it wasn't all above board.. Chicago is a pro sports town, nobody gives a crap about the Illini, kids there don't grow up dreaming to play for them and even if they did it's pretty common knowledge that the elite chicago AAU kids come with a price tag.. Those kids go to blue blood programs or whoever pays the most, always have and always will.. He signed over 9 top 100 guys while at Illinois and had a couple more coming in.. Illinois always had talent under Weber though, even this year, his worst year ever he had one of the more talented rosters in the big 10.

Which leads to my next point, the knock on oscar is that he's a softy.. Pretty much the opposite of Frank Martin, he's very much a players coach which can be good but he's too much of a push over.. They are usually a talented but undisciplined team, especially lately as they haven't had a leader on the floor to keep the guys in line.. This year for example they were 15-3 atop the big 10 with wins over MSU,OSU,Gonzaga.. Had a lottery pick in Meyer Leonard and 2 great scorers in Paul,Richardson.. They finished with 17 wins, and were blown out by Nebraska..  If they have a good leader on the team ala Dee Brown they usually had good-great seasons, if they didn't have a true leader on the floor they would fold under the first sign of adversity and Brucie couldn't reel em back in..

Also, please let the Weber being a great Xs and Os coach myth die.  He runs the "motion" on offense, which generally means monotonously passing or dribbling the ball around the perimeter ultimately resulting in a forced/contested shot as the shot clock expires and next to no free throw attempts during the game.  The best part is he NEVER changes or modifies it even when it's clear his players have no idea how to run it.  Those are some next-level tactics right there.  Straight man-to-man on defense for every opponent and in every situation.  Maybe a little press at the end of a game when he's down big and desperate.  Clear schematic advantage going forward for KSU.   

but... but.. but... we're going to run and gun and jack up 3's!?!

[kso_FAN]

MichiganisGood, I appreciate your contribution here. Its good to hear from a somewhat neutral observer from Big 10 country.

I appreciate and listen to the Illinois fans that posted here, but I also get that they hate Weber (for good reason).

[Mr Bread]

I'm supporting my school. It's not Weber's fault that Currie is a dumbass. I see your point though.

THIS

you would have made a fantastic nazi.

So rough ridin' true.  Scoops is burning Jews.

Yeah, but it's the decent thing to do.  I mean somebody else gassed them to death.  He's just cleanin up the place. 

[8manpick]

He won 68%* of his games in one of the best basketball conferences in the country and was there for nearly 10yrs**..

*Actually 57.8%
**50% over the last 7 years, 87.5% over his first two years with 5 NBA players recruited by Bill Self and his staff.

[Pete]

If you hate this hire direct it at John Currie and "Mr. Loyalty" Frank Martin, not oscar Weber. Remember, Frank bailed on us..Currie pushed him out. Those are the guys that put us in this situation. All Weber did was get a good job opening and now that he got it he deserves a fair shot from our fan base. The last thing we'd want a quality future coach to see is a fan base turn on a coach who was never given a chance to succeed which is a big turn off because it gives an impression of inflated expectations and negative environment.

At least Weber is a well known name in coaching circles/high schools and has had successful high major teams in a better league than the Big 12. I wanted Gottlieb or some other outside the box hire but it could be a lot worse, like some no name mid-major HC or assistant who no decent recruit has ever heard of.

If you hate this hire, direct it at Currie and Martin who selfishly put their personal strife ahead of the program, school, players and fans to run away from each other and/or improver their own resumes. Dislike, place blame, hate those guys but Weber deserves a chance and the players deserve support. After all the program momentum generated over the past six years, the worst thing that could happen to the basketball program is to fall off the map and start from scratch in 3-4 years. If "the drunk" Huggins followed by "no-name" Frank Martin then "failed at Illinois" oscar Weber can all end up successful at KSU it would reflect well on K-State and its fans and will attract quality coaches in the future. This is a great place to run a basketball program, don't help make it become sh1tty again because of two selfish losers.

Hey dumb dumb, Weber ran Illinois into the rough ridin' ground after having inherited an NBA roster from Bill Self.

He has a losing record in the Big10.

We just hired a rough ridin' loser.