If everything else remained constant, and K-State kept their current coaching staff (outside of Frank) and KU kept their coaching staff (outside of Manning), you could make the argument that KU lost more than K-State. Frank was basically a celebrity who acted like a maniac on the sidelines and gave great interviews, but Underwood and Delonte Hill did most of the coaching/recruiting. Manning was a big draw in recruiting big men, and he developed a lot of talent over the years.