George Zimmerman is a piece of crap

[pissclams]

The defense never should have tried this case as 2nd degree murder.  They may have had a case with voluntary manslaughter, but I just don't think there's enough evidence against Zimmerman to convict him of murder at this point.   

they didn't have a choice

 

they're acting on orders they were given.

[steve dave]

The defense never should have tried this case as 2nd degree murder.  They may have had a case with voluntary manslaughter, but I just don't think there's enough evidence against Zimmerman to convict him of murder at this point.   

they didn't have a choice

 

they're acting on orders they were given.

also it doesn't matter because he can still be convicted of manslaughter. we had a FL bar attorney in this very thread that went over it.

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

Are you dumbasses going to be super butthurt when Zimm is acquitted of 2nd degree murder?

[puniraptor]

Are you dumbasses going to be super butthurt when Zimm is acquitted of 2nd degree murder?

I'm already butthurt that he got away with murder, the acquittal is a formality.

[steve dave]

Are you dumbasses going to be super butthurt when Zimm is acquitted of 2nd degree murder?

who are you directing that question to? I don't remember anyone outside of maybe beems saying they thought he would be convicted.

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

Are you dumbasses going to be super butthurt when Zimm is acquitted of 2nd degree murder?

who are you directing that question to? I don't remember anyone outside of maybe beems saying they thought he would be convicted.

The majority of the posters in this thread. You all might not think he will get convicted but it's pretty obvious most think he should be convicted

[8manpick]

Can't wait for someone to administer some street justice to GZ. What goes around, comes  around, ya know?

[steve dave]

Are you dumbasses going to be super butthurt when Zimm is acquitted of 2nd degree murder?

who are you directing that question to? I don't remember anyone outside of maybe beems saying they thought he would be convicted.

The majority of the posters in this thread. You all might not think he will get convicted but it's pretty obvious most think he should be convicted

you have a very difficult time seperating the trial from the situation

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Are you dumbasses going to be super butthurt when Zimm is acquitted of 2nd degree murder?

who are you directing that question to? I don't remember anyone outside of maybe beems saying they thought he would be convicted.

The majority of the posters in this thread. You all might not think he will get convicted but it's pretty obvious most think he should be convicted

I think that had the case been handled well from jump, including the investigation and the eventual filing of charges, and on through the trial, a conviction on 2nd degree murder would have been very attainable and appropriate.  With what's actually played out, I'll be surprised if he gets convicted of 2nd degree murder, but there's always a chance.  Maybe they'll fly me in to give a kick-ass closing argument.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Are you dumbasses going to be super butthurt when Zimm is acquitted of 2nd degree murder?

who are you directing that question to? I don't remember anyone outside of maybe beems saying they thought he would be convicted.

The majority of the posters in this thread. You all might not think he will get convicted but it's pretty obvious most think he should be convicted

I think that had the case been handled well from jump, including the investigation and the eventual filing of charges, and on through the trial, a conviction on 2nd degree murder would have been very attainable and appropriate.  With what's actually played out, I'll be surprised if he gets convicted of 2nd degree murder, but there's always a chance.  Maybe they'll fly me in to give a kick-ass closing argument.

Which piece of evidence do you think they missed that may have been the deciding factor for the jury to convict on 2nd degree murder? (assuming they won't)

[OregonSmock]

The defense never should have tried this case as 2nd degree murder.  They may have had a case with voluntary manslaughter, but I just don't think there's enough evidence against Zimmerman to convict him of murder at this point.   

they didn't have a choice

 

they're acting on orders they were given.

Woof.  I meant to say "prosecution," not defense.  I'm still recovering from 4th of July vacation week, apparently.

[OregonSmock]

Are you dumbasses going to be super butthurt when Zimm is acquitted of 2nd degree murder?

who are you directing that question to? I don't remember anyone outside of maybe beems saying they thought he would be convicted.

wut


I never said I thought Zimmerman would be convicted.  How dare you!


 

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Are you dumbasses going to be super butthurt when Zimm is acquitted of 2nd degree murder?

who are you directing that question to? I don't remember anyone outside of maybe beems saying they thought he would be convicted.

The majority of the posters in this thread. You all might not think he will get convicted but it's pretty obvious most think he should be convicted

I think that had the case been handled well from jump, including the investigation and the eventual filing of charges, and on through the trial, a conviction on 2nd degree murder would have been very attainable and appropriate.  With what's actually played out, I'll be surprised if he gets convicted of 2nd degree murder, but there's always a chance.  Maybe they'll fly me in to give a kick-ass closing argument.

Which piece of evidence do you think they missed that may have been the deciding factor for the jury to convict on 2nd degree murder? (assuming they won't)

Evidence to support a charge of assault for what Zimmerman did leading up to the altercation and him shooting Martin.

Total coincidence, I was just coming back here to post this: http://www.kansas.com/2013/07/08/2879835/two-arrested-after-threatening.html

[Rage Against the McKee]

Are you dumbasses going to be super butthurt when Zimm is acquitted of 2nd degree murder?

who are you directing that question to? I don't remember anyone outside of maybe beems saying they thought he would be convicted.

The majority of the posters in this thread. You all might not think he will get convicted but it's pretty obvious most think he should be convicted

I fall into this category. There just isn't any way to justify the actions of George Zimmerman. He won't get convicted because he is in Florida, the victim is black, and the prosecution and police did a horrible job. As a juror, I would never vote in favor of somebody claiming self defense unless I thought there was a legitimate threat to that person's life.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Are you dumbasses going to be super butthurt when Zimm is acquitted of 2nd degree murder?

who are you directing that question to? I don't remember anyone outside of maybe beems saying they thought he would be convicted.

The majority of the posters in this thread. You all might not think he will get convicted but it's pretty obvious most think he should be convicted

I think that had the case been handled well from jump, including the investigation and the eventual filing of charges, and on through the trial, a conviction on 2nd degree murder would have been very attainable and appropriate.  With what's actually played out, I'll be surprised if he gets convicted of 2nd degree murder, but there's always a chance.  Maybe they'll fly me in to give a kick-ass closing argument.

Which piece of evidence do you think they missed that may have been the deciding factor for the jury to convict on 2nd degree murder? (assuming they won't)

Evidence to support a charge of assault for what Zimmerman did leading up to the altercation and him shooting Martin.

Total coincidence, I was just coming back here to post this: http://www.kansas.com/2013/07/08/2879835/two-arrested-after-threatening.html

I'm not sure they could conjure up a witness at any point to say GZ threatened him with a weapon or even threatened him verbally. I imagine they would have come forward by now.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I'm not sure they could conjure up a witness at any point to say GZ threatened him with a weapon or even threatened him verbally. I imagine they would have come forward by now.

I think chasing Martin down constitutes a threat of some sort.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Are you dumbasses going to be super butthurt when Zimm is acquitted of 2nd degree murder?

who are you directing that question to? I don't remember anyone outside of maybe beems saying they thought he would be convicted.

The majority of the posters in this thread. You all might not think he will get convicted but it's pretty obvious most think he should be convicted

I think that had the case been handled well from jump, including the investigation and the eventual filing of charges, and on through the trial, a conviction on 2nd degree murder would have been very attainable and appropriate.  With what's actually played out, I'll be surprised if he gets convicted of 2nd degree murder, but there's always a chance.  Maybe they'll fly me in to give a kick-ass closing argument.

Which piece of evidence do you think they missed that may have been the deciding factor for the jury to convict on 2nd degree murder? (assuming they won't)

Evidence to support a charge of assault for what Zimmerman did leading up to the altercation and him shooting Martin.

Total coincidence, I was just coming back here to post this: http://www.kansas.com/2013/07/08/2879835/two-arrested-after-threatening.html

I'm not sure they could conjure up a witness at any point to say GZ threatened him with a weapon or even threatened him verbally. I imagine they would have come forward by now.

Right. I'm pretty sure they interviewed everyone in the neighborhood, looked for surveillance tape, etc. What else should the police have done to find more evidence that GZ initiated the fight? Or did they not interrogate GZ hard enough?

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

The whole, "Martin is dead so Zimm must be lying" argument is pretty great

[puniraptor]

smell test

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

Zimm's trainer (and ground and pound expert) now testifying that Zimm was an unathletic, fat piece of crap

[Rage Against the McKee]

The whole, "Martin is dead so Zimm must be lying" argument is pretty great

Let's say everything that Zimmerman said is true. It still does not qualify as self defense to me.

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http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0784/Sections/0784.011.html

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

The whole, "Martin is dead so Zimm must be lying" argument is pretty great

Let's say everything that Zimmerman said is true. It still does not qualify as self defense to me.

jfc 

[Rage Against the McKee]

The whole, "Martin is dead so Zimm must be lying" argument is pretty great

Let's say everything that Zimmerman said is true. It still does not qualify as self defense to me.

jfc 

Just look at the facts.

Zimmerman assaults Martin (see Trim's post).

Martin retaliates with a punch to the nose.

Martin gets on top of Zimmerman, maybe punches him once, and covers his mouth to keep him from screaming for help.

The cops are already on their way and should be arriving any minute.

Zimmerman has a gun and can use it if he continues to get punched. He does not look like he was punched more than once or twice.

Multiple eyewitnesses are present to potentially break up the fight and have told Zimmerman that they are calling 911.

Zimmerman shoots Martin in the chest. Has very minor wounds consisting of a bloody nose (no break) and 4 or 5 tiny scratches on the back of his head.

[Unruly]

The whole, "Martin is dead so Zimm must be lying" argument is pretty great

Let's say everything that Zimmerman said is true. It still does not qualify as self defense to me.

jfc 

Just look at the facts.

Zimmerman assaults Martin (see Trim's post).

Martin retaliates with a punch to the nose.

Martin gets on top of Zimmerman, maybe punches him once, and covers his mouth to keep him from screaming for help.

The cops are already on their way and should be arriving any minute.

Zimmerman has a gun and can use it if he continues to get punched. He does not look like he was punched more than once or twice.

Multiple eyewitnesses are present to potentially break up the fight and have told Zimmerman that they are calling 911.

Zimmerman shoots Martin in the chest. Has very minor wounds consisting of a bloody nose (no break) and 4 or 5 tiny scratches on the back of his head.

But per trims post GZ didn't assault him.