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Re: Trayvon Martin
« Reply #1050 on: July 03, 2013, 07:33:36 AM »
So hold on, you're automatically racist in this case if you believe Zimmerman?  :frown:

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Re: Trayvon Martin
« Reply #1051 on: July 03, 2013, 07:38:44 AM »
So hold on, you're automatically racist in this case if you believe Zimmerman?  :frown:

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Re: Trayvon Martin
« Reply #1052 on: July 03, 2013, 07:41:18 AM »
So hold on, you're automatically racist in this case if you believe Zimmerman?  :frown:

No, gullibility doesn't necessarily equal racism.

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Re: Trayvon Martin
« Reply #1053 on: July 03, 2013, 07:47:00 AM »
I do believe Zimmerman is a rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), however. He should be pinned up for that alone. Stay in your rough ridin' car, dumbass or drive away and who gives a eff if anything happens? :dunno: Not your problem, you're not the cops.

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Re: Trayvon Martin
« Reply #1054 on: July 03, 2013, 07:47:12 AM »
do some of you really think that that 16 year old was whipping GZ's ass that badly?  are you dumb?

I bet 16 year old me could have whooped GZ's ass :dunno:

He would have shot you dead.

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Re: Trayvon Martin
« Reply #1055 on: July 03, 2013, 07:52:52 AM »
As lawyers (Trim, Limestone, etc.) do you automatically think everyone is full of crap? By instinct?

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« Reply #1056 on: July 03, 2013, 07:53:06 AM »
do some of you really think that that 16 year old was whipping GZ's ass that badly?  are you dumb?

I bet 16 year old me could have whooped GZ's ass :dunno:

He would have shot you dead.

it's kind of sucky that the only teenagers that would have survived that confrontation are the biggest puds

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« Reply #1057 on: July 03, 2013, 08:02:00 AM »
As lawyers (Trim, Limestone, etc.) do you automatically think everyone is full of crap? By instinct?

I'm no attorney, but your bullshit detector should probably be going off on any story from someone who shoots and kills an unarmed teenager with no apparent history of violence. Especially when the shooter DOES have a history of violence. If it doesn't go off, then yeah, you're definitely racist.

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Re: Trayvon Martin
« Reply #1058 on: July 03, 2013, 08:05:02 AM »
Good point.

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Re: Trayvon Martin
« Reply #1059 on: July 03, 2013, 08:50:51 AM »
do some of you really think that that 16 year old was whipping GZ's ass that badly?  are you dumb?

 No and maybe.

I just choose not to ignore certain things that are on the table just because they don't line up with reaching the conclusion I want to reach.

Also, "facts" was a bad word choice in my prev post.

I'm not ignoring anything.  Let your common sense guide you.

Isn't that the rub, though? My common sense guides me to what I think is the same conclusion as your's about what actually happened. However, my conclusion is based on a bunch of facts and suppositions that the jury doesn't have or, although a reasonable conclusion, still leaves room for reasonable doubt.

So we're left in a situation where the law requires GZ to be allowed to get away with something I think he should be punished for. How do we correct that? Should the jury ignore the reasonable doubt standard? Should there be a different standard in a self defense case where the evidence is lacking because the defendant killed a key witness? Should GZ not be allowed to claim self defense because his prior actions, although not necessarily unlawful, precipitated the entire event?

Also, guns are here to stay in the US, imo. Is there a way to keep them away from idiots like GZ? I don't think so (provided said idiot doesn't have a restraing order as GZ did). Plus the idiocy gets compounded by the fact that the idiot is emboldened by carrying the gun. No fix for that from what I can see.

TM shouldn't have to be afraid to walk to kwik shop in his dad's neighborhood, but should neighborhood watch be allowed to ask a stranger what he's doing in the neighborhood at night?  If so, how far should the watchman be allowed to go before the stranger is allowed to protect himself from the watchman? I don't think TM should be allowed to attack him the second GZ got out of the truck, but there is a line somewhere.  Does the watchman get any of considerations (obviously not all) that a cop gets in the situation?

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Re: Trayvon Martin
« Reply #1060 on: July 03, 2013, 08:56:25 AM »
a lot of people seem to have a hard time discussing their feelings re. the situation v. their feelings re. the trial and legal process.

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« Reply #1061 on: July 03, 2013, 08:58:12 AM »
I always did a minute or so during closing to explain to any dumbasses that slipped onto the jury what reasonable doubt is. Worked fine. All the bad guys went to prison.

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« Reply #1062 on: July 03, 2013, 08:59:24 AM »
do some of you really think that that 16 year old was whipping GZ's ass that badly?  are you dumb?

 No and maybe.

I just choose not to ignore certain things that are on the table just because they don't line up with reaching the conclusion I want to reach.

Also, "facts" was a bad word choice in my prev post.

I'm not ignoring anything.  Let your common sense guide you.

Isn't that the rub, though? My common sense guides me to what I think is the same conclusion as your's about what actually happened. However, my conclusion is based on a bunch of facts and suppositions that the jury doesn't have or, although a reasonable conclusion, still leaves room for reasonable doubt.

So we're left in a situation where the law requires GZ to be allowed to get away with something I think he should be punished for. How do we correct that? Should the jury ignore the reasonable doubt standard? Should there be a different standard in a self defense case where the evidence is lacking because the defendant killed a key witness? Should GZ not be allowed to claim self defense because his prior actions, although not necessarily unlawful, precipitated the entire event?

Also, guns are here to stay in the US, imo. Is there a way to keep them away from idiots like GZ? I don't think so (provided said idiot doesn't have a restraing order as GZ did). Plus the idiocy gets compounded by the fact that the idiot is emboldened by carrying the gun. No fix for that from what I can see.

TM shouldn't have to be afraid to walk to kwik shop in his dad's neighborhood, but should neighborhood watch be allowed to ask a stranger what he's doing in the neighborhood at night?  If so, how far should the watchman be allowed to go before the stranger is allowed to protect himself from the watchman? I don't think TM should be allowed to attack him the second GZ got out of the truck, but there is a line somewhere.  Does the watchman get any of considerations (obviously not all) that a cop gets in the situation?

Go cats.

If GZ walks, then we really need to look at what the standard for self defense is. Even if everything Zimmerman said were true, I don't really believe his life was in danger, and his injuries were not severe at all. His doctor said he didn't even have a broken nose. Getting punched once or twice and then being held on the ground (the injuries don't really support a ground and pound scenario at all) should not give you free license to take a life.

Ideally, GZ would have followed the rules of the neighborhood watch and not been toting a gun around while performing his watch role. Zimmerman absolutely has the right to walk around the neighborhood and ask questions. He just doesn't have the right to take a life when that questioning turns into a minor scuffle. If Martin attacked Zimmerman first, I would fully support him being charged with assault.

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Re: Trayvon Martin
« Reply #1063 on: July 03, 2013, 09:09:35 AM »
a lot of people seem to have a hard time discussing their feelings re. the situation v. their feelings re. the trial and legal process.

Ouch, if you're talking about me.

NK, i don't think you are taking everything GZ said as true, but maybe the portions you are ignoring are not credible enough to introduce reasonable doubt. 

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« Reply #1064 on: July 03, 2013, 09:10:49 AM »
a lot of people seem to have a hard time discussing their feelings re. the situation v. their feelings re. the trial and legal process.

exactly


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« Reply #1065 on: July 03, 2013, 09:17:12 AM »
TM shouldn't have to be afraid to walk to kwik shop in his dad's neighborhood, but should neighborhood watch be allowed to ask a stranger what he's doing in the neighborhood at night?  If so, how far should the watchman be allowed to go before the stranger is allowed to protect himself from the watchman? I don't think TM should be allowed to attack him the second GZ got out of the truck, but there is a line somewhere.  Does the watchman get any of considerations (obviously not all) that a cop gets in the situation?

The fact that GZ was neighborhood watch needs to be removed from the discussion IMO.  TM didn't know he was neighborhood watch, he was just a guy (with a gun) stalking/chasing him through the neighborhood
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« Reply #1066 on: July 03, 2013, 09:23:03 AM »
a lot of people seem to have a hard time discussing their feelings re. the situation v. their feelings re. the trial and legal process.

Ouch, if you're talking about me.

NK, i don't think you are taking everything GZ said as true, but maybe the portions you are ignoring are not credible enough to introduce reasonable doubt.

I'm taking what GZ said as basically true, and just weeding out the bullshit that doesn't match the physical evidence.

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Re: Trayvon Martin
« Reply #1067 on: July 03, 2013, 09:24:56 AM »
Zimmerman is walking and my prediction is that someone Kennedy assassin the killer of the killer.

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« Reply #1068 on: July 03, 2013, 09:25:17 AM »
TM shouldn't have to be afraid to walk to kwik shop in his dad's neighborhood, but should neighborhood watch be allowed to ask a stranger what he's doing in the neighborhood at night?  If so, how far should the watchman be allowed to go before the stranger is allowed to protect himself from the watchman? I don't think TM should be allowed to attack him the second GZ got out of the truck, but there is a line somewhere.  Does the watchman get any of considerations (obviously not all) that a cop gets in the situation?

The fact that GZ was neighborhood watch needs to be removed from the discussion IMO.  TM didn't know he was neighborhood watch, he was just a guy (with a gun) stalking/chasing him through the neighborhood

wtf are you talking about?

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« Reply #1069 on: July 03, 2013, 09:26:28 AM »
someone Kennedy assassin the killer of the killer.

I'm just not sure what you are trying to say here, fanning.

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« Reply #1070 on: July 03, 2013, 09:26:48 AM »
Zimmerman is walking and my prediction is that someone Kennedy assassin the killer of the killer.

It'd be something else if somebody kills Zimmerman Zimmerman-style.

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« Reply #1071 on: July 03, 2013, 09:27:48 AM »
Zimmerman is walking and my prediction is that someone Kennedy assassin the killer of the killer.

congrats, fanning, you've topped yourself. 

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Re: Trayvon Martin
« Reply #1072 on: July 03, 2013, 09:34:29 AM »
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Re: Trayvon Martin
« Reply #1073 on: July 03, 2013, 09:39:05 AM »
He means someone's going Jack Ruby on GZ.

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« Reply #1074 on: July 03, 2013, 09:56:54 AM »
He means someone's going Jack Ruby on GZ.


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