George Zimmerman is a piece of crap

[SkinnyBenny]

I'm pretty sure I could guess the results of that experiment.

[star seed 7]

Also about the race thing, if you go back to the beginning of this thread I was pissed it was turning into an issue of race because I thought it would galvanize racists, those proud of it and those who have no clue, and would change the focus that a man stalked and shot an innocent and unarmed citizen on the street like it was rough ridin' pheasant season. Which is why I hope the Zimmerman legal team dies in a car explosion for painting Martin as the angry black kid that you all should be scared of and hide your daughters from.

If this was a white kid, there's no goddamn way we would no or care that he smoked weed. White kids who smoke weed are stoners who should be laughed at. Black kids who smoke weed are dangerous felonious thugs who should be locked up.

Fwiw, none of this is personally relevant to me, but I disagree that if TM was white that the defense would do anything differently.

[SkinnyBenny]

Also about the race thing, if you go back to the beginning of this thread I was pissed it was turning into an issue of race because I thought it would galvanize racists, those proud of it and those who have no clue, and would change the focus that a man stalked and shot an innocent and unarmed citizen on the street like it was rough ridin' pheasant season. Which is why I hope the Zimmerman legal team dies in a car explosion for painting Martin as the angry black kid that you all should be scared of and hide your daughters from.

If this was a white kid, there's no goddamn way we would no or care that he smoked weed. White kids who smoke weed are stoners who should be laughed at. Black kids who smoke weed are dangerous felonious thugs who should be locked up.

Fwiw, none of this is personally relevant to me, but I disagree that if TM was white that the defense would do anything differently.

Come on.

[pissclams]

Also about the race thing, if you go back to the beginning of this thread I was pissed it was turning into an issue of race because I thought it would galvanize racists, those proud of it and those who have no clue, and would change the focus that a man stalked and shot an innocent and unarmed citizen on the street like it was rough ridin' pheasant season. Which is why I hope the Zimmerman legal team dies in a car explosion for painting Martin as the angry black kid that you all should be scared of and hide your daughters from.

If this was a white kid, there's no goddamn way we would no or care that he smoked weed. White kids who smoke weed are stoners who should be laughed at. Black kids who smoke weed are dangerous felonious thugs who should be locked up.

Fwiw, none of this is personally relevant to me, but I disagree that if TM was white that the defense would do anything differently.

what the, i don't even 

[mocat]

If TM was white, Zim would plead guilty

also why hasn't this been Domed up yet?

[DQ12]

I guess I'm a little with Shacks.  I haven't paid too much attention to this, but why the fascination?  I'm not trying to be insensitive here, but tons of murders happen every day. 

Are people that interested in the gun control/Stand Your Ground ramifications of this, or are they just bored?

I think the fascination was not with the crime itself but because it appeared that the Sanford PD wasn't going to do anything at all until they faced pressure and the Florida Bureau of Investigations and the Feds threatened to step in. George Zimmerman wasn't the first bad guy in the story the SPD Chief was.

Yeah I agree.  I had totally forgotten about the origin of this story.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

The state calls John Good to the stand. Testifies that he saw Martin straddling Zimmerman, punching him "MMA style" and "ground and pound." Described the guy on the bottom as "lighter skinned" and "definitely" wearing "red or a lighter color", which matches Zimmerman. He thinks it was Zimmerman who was calling for help. Says that the convenience store photo of Martin earlier that evening matches the description of the guy on top.

I simply cannot believe the state chose to put this guy on, especially since they should have finished with their "star" witness Dee Dee (Diamond, Rachel, whatever her name is). The state's case is 

[steve dave]

kick the states ass ksuw

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

kick the states ass ksuw

Sorry to hijack the thread with evidence from the trial. Let's all get back to talking about how Zimmerman was a racist POS who got what he deserved, and how the hell did he get his ass beat by some skinny 12 year old anyway? Definitely deserves 20 years in prison just for being a pussy, amiright?

[michigancat]

It's clear Zimmerman was the victim here.

[Mrs. Gooch]

One group gets: 20 year old male, black, smokes a lot of pot, hangs out with his friends a lot, is never really home, raised by a single mom, graduated high school with average grades, decided to live at home instead of go to college, has not gotten a real job

The other group gets: 20 year old male, white, smokes a lot of pot, hangs out with his friends a lot, is never really home, raised by a single mom, graduated high school with average grades, decided to live at home instead of go to college, has not gotten a real job

[pissclams]

kick the states ass ksuw

ksuw does seem excited and happy that the state hasn't done a good job so far. maybe he has an ulterior motive. 

[Skipper44]

kick the states ass ksuw

ksuw does seem excited and happy that the state hasn't done a good job so far. maybe he has an ulterior motive.

i bet there is some punk kid he wants to initiate a confrontation with and then Judge

[OK_Cat]

kick the states ass ksuw

Sorry to hijack the thread with evidence from the trial. Let's all get back to talking about how Zimmerman was a racist POS who got what he deserved, and how the hell did he get his ass beat by some skinny 12 year old anyway? Definitely deserves 20 years in prison just for being a pussy, amiright?

he killed a kid

[Daddy Claxton]

...  a man stalked and shot an innocent and unarmed citizen on the street like it was rough ridin' pheasant season.

If you don't want it to be about race, why ignore all the facts that make this case actually interesting? There is Zimm's bloody nose/bashed head, witnesses saying that Martin was the agressor at the time he was shot, and Zimm's unrefuted story that Martin said he was going to use the gun to kill Zimm.  To me, this brings up a very intriguing question as to whether a gun-toting fool can still claim self defense if he confronts someone, is subdued, and then by the use of his own gun, feels his life is in danger.  There is also an interesting angle about the accused killing the person that could contradict the claims of threats to the accused's life.  All of that is more intriguing than another racist american and pd .

[Rage Against the McKee]

kick the states ass ksuw

Sorry to hijack the thread with evidence from the trial. Let's all get back to talking about how Zimmerman was a racist POS who got what he deserved, and how the hell did he get his ass beat by some skinny 12 year old anyway? Definitely deserves 20 years in prison just for being a pussy, amiright?

Zimmerman hasn't gotten what he deserves yet, and he probably won't. He is a racist POS who murdered a kid.

[steve dave]

To me, this brings up a very intriguing question as to whether a gun-toting fool can still claim self defense if he confronts someone, is subdued, and then by the use of his own gun, feels his life is in danger. 

this is interesting to me as well. especially if TM never had possession of the gun.

[Daddy Claxton]

To me, this brings up a very intriguing question as to whether a gun-toting fool can still claim self defense if he confronts someone, is subdued, and then by the use of his own gun, feels his life is in danger. 

this is interesting to me as well. especially if TM never had possession of the gun.

Yep, but i think we would agree that if someone has a gun within reach and says they are going to kill you while bashing your head against the ground, there is a legitmate fear for your life. The fact that the gun is in the belt of guy claiming to fear for his life and who in fact fired the gun, makes it interesting.

I also think we agree that in reality Zimm never really feared for his life, which provides an interesting question about the legal process in relation to gun nuts that kill the person they claimed was threatening them.

[michigancat]

I love it when people talk about Zimmerman's claims being "unrefuted". Well know crap he killed the only person who could refute them.

[steve dave]

To me, this brings up a very intriguing question as to whether a gun-toting fool can still claim self defense if he confronts someone, is subdued, and then by the use of his own gun, feels his life is in danger. 

this is interesting to me as well. especially if TM never had possession of the gun.

Yep, but i think we would agree that if someone has a gun within reach and says they are going to kill you while bashing your head against the ground, there is a legitmate fear for your life. The fact that the gun is in the belt of guy claiming to fear for his life and who in fact fired the gun, makes it interesting.

I also think we agree that in reality Zimm never really feared for his life, which provides an interesting question about the legal process in relation to gun nuts that kill the person they claimed was threatening them.

could he not get his own gun (obviously he could and did) and shoot it in the air, to the side, hold it away from TM, keep it held in his pants/holster/whatever, throw it to the side, do anything else with his gun? even if he had legitimate fear that his life was in danger (which we agree he may not have had) what is his responsibility (as the only participant bringing a weapon into the fight) to use less than deadly force? could he have? can you flip it and say TM had to beat his ass so badly because he saw he had a gun and had a legitimate fear for his own life given he was just tracked and confronted by a gun toting stranger? lots of stuff going on. ultimately I think no matter the legal process result it makes gun toting dumbasses look like even bigger dumbasses and should bring gun laws under higher scrutiny.

[steve dave]

I love it when people talk about Zimmerman's claims being "unrefuted". Well know crap he killed the only person who could refute them.

you shoot enough people and all claims are unrefuted

[michigancat]

I love it when people talk about Zimmerman's claims being "unrefuted". Well know crap he killed the only person who could refute them.

[Daddy Claxton]

To me, this brings up a very intriguing question as to whether a gun-toting fool can still claim self defense if he confronts someone, is subdued, and then by the use of his own gun, feels his life is in danger. 

this is interesting to me as well. especially if TM never had possession of the gun.

Yep, but i think we would agree that if someone has a gun within reach and says they are going to kill you while bashing your head against the ground, there is a legitmate fear for your life. The fact that the gun is in the belt of guy claiming to fear for his life and who in fact fired the gun, makes it interesting.

I also think we agree that in reality Zimm never really feared for his life, which provides an interesting question about the legal process in relation to gun nuts that kill the person they claimed was threatening them.

maybe. I think it leaves a lot of opening though. could he not get his own gun (obviously he could and did) and shoot it in the air, to the side, hold it away from TM, keep it held in his pants/holster/whatever, throw it to the side, do anything else with his gun? even if he had legitimate fear that his life was in danger (which we agree he may not have had) what is his responsibility (as the only participant bringing a weapon into the fight) to use less than deadly force? could he have? can you flip it and say TM had to beat his ass so badly because he saw he had a gun and had a legitimate fear for his own life given he was just tracked and confronted by a gun toting stranger? lots of stuff going on. ultimately I think no matter the legal process result it makes gun toting dumbasses look like even bigger dumbasses and should bring gun laws under higher scrutiny.

All of those are great questions and I am anxious to see how/if they are sorted out.  And it's much more intersting than 'another black kid gets killed and (half) white people don't care.'

[steve dave]

To me, this brings up a very intriguing question as to whether a gun-toting fool can still claim self defense if he confronts someone, is subdued, and then by the use of his own gun, feels his life is in danger. 

this is interesting to me as well. especially if TM never had possession of the gun.

Yep, but i think we would agree that if someone has a gun within reach and says they are going to kill you while bashing your head against the ground, there is a legitmate fear for your life. The fact that the gun is in the belt of guy claiming to fear for his life and who in fact fired the gun, makes it interesting.

I also think we agree that in reality Zimm never really feared for his life, which provides an interesting question about the legal process in relation to gun nuts that kill the person they claimed was threatening them.

maybe. I think it leaves a lot of opening though. could he not get his own gun (obviously he could and did) and shoot it in the air, to the side, hold it away from TM, keep it held in his pants/holster/whatever, throw it to the side, do anything else with his gun? even if he had legitimate fear that his life was in danger (which we agree he may not have had) what is his responsibility (as the only participant bringing a weapon into the fight) to use less than deadly force? could he have? can you flip it and say TM had to beat his ass so badly because he saw he had a gun and had a legitimate fear for his own life given he was just tracked and confronted by a gun toting stranger? lots of stuff going on. ultimately I think no matter the legal process result it makes gun toting dumbasses look like even bigger dumbasses and should bring gun laws under higher scrutiny.

All of those are great questions and I am anxious to see how/if they are sorted out.  And it's much more intersting than 'another black kid gets killed and (half) white people don't care.'

sure, I think there are many interesting parts to the case. those are interesting and the racial issue is interesting and the gun issue is interesting and it's all sad. I'm not going to ignore a part because another part is interesting though.

[Dugout DickStone]

...  a man stalked and shot an innocent and unarmed citizen on the street like it was rough ridin' pheasant season.

If you don't want it to be about race, why ignore all the facts that make this case actually interesting? There is Zimm's bloody nose/bashed head, witnesses saying that Martin was the agressor at the time he was shot, and Zimm's unrefuted story that Martin said he was going to use the gun to kill Zimm.  To me, this brings up a very intriguing question as to whether a gun-toting fool can still claim self defense if he confronts someone, is subdued, and then by the use of his own gun, feels his life is in danger.  There is also an interesting angle about the accused killing the person that could contradict the claims of threats to the accused's life.  All of that is more intriguing than another racist american and pd .

It is currently unrefuted that Odin lloyd threatened to murder Aaron Hernandez too.