George Zimmerman is a piece of crap

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

Oh so Martin's friend on the stand is a compulsive liar. Good to know

[CNS]

Pls summarize.  Not watching.

[OregonSmock]

Oh so Martin's friend on the stand is a compulsive liar. Good to know

The defense is actually doing a really poor job of painting that picture.  How in the hell are you a Bill Maher fan?  Bill O'Reilly seems more like your style.

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

Catching bits and pieces at work but she told multiple lies about herself to investigators while being interviewed

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

Oh so Martin's friend on the stand is a compulsive liar. Good to know

The defense is actually doing a really poor job of painting that picture.  How in the hell are you a Bill Maher fan?  Bill O'Reilly seems more like your style.

I'll take that as an insult sir

[OregonSmock]

Pls summarize.  Not watching.

The defense is trying to portray one of the key witnesses as a liar, because (1) she lied about her age (she said she was 16 instead of 18 so she could have a minor's privacy rights), and (2) lied to Trayvon's mom about why she wasn't at his funeral (she said that she was at the hospital).  She's the last person to talk to Martin before he was killed (besides Zimmerman), and she said that Martin told her that he was being chased by a creepy white dude.

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

Her neck is wider than her head

[CNS]

Her neck is wider than her head

If the neck exceeds in width, you must acquit

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

I don't believe a word this liar says

[star seed 7]

Her neck is wider than her head

If the neck exceeds in width, you must acquit

 

[420seriouscat69]

Pls summarize.  Not watching.

The defense is trying to portray one of the key witnesses as a liar, because (1) she lied about her age (she said she was 16 instead of 18 so she could have a minor's privacy rights), and (2) lied to Trayvon's mom about why she wasn't at his funeral (she said that she was at the hospital).  She's the last person to talk to Martin before he was killed (besides Zimmerman), and she said that Martin told her that he was being chased by a creepy white dude.

They'll remove her statement from the trial then.

[steve dave]

Pls summarize.  Not watching.

The defense is trying to portray one of the key witnesses as a liar, because (1) she lied about her age (she said she was 16 instead of 18 so she could have a minor's privacy rights), and (2) lied to Trayvon's mom about why she wasn't at his funeral (she said that she was at the hospital).  She's the last person to talk to Martin before he was killed (besides Zimmerman), and she said that Martin told her that he was being chased by a creepy white dude.

They'll remove her statement from the trial then.

heh

[Stevesie60]

Can't wait until a completely acceptable line of thinking is, "I had a gun. I shot an unarmed person because they could have gotten to my gun and shot me. So.....self defense."

[bubbles4ksu]

They'll remove her statement from the trial then.

how are they going to do that?

[420seriouscat69]

Not sure, it sounded good though, but if they find her statement false, she is mumped and I believe they tell the jury to ignore the statements made by the witness.

[Dugout DickStone]

all this nonsense about how GZ was the only instigator.  oh he shouldn't have had a gun, he shouldn't have gotten out of his car, he shouldn't have called the police on a young child.

yes, all of those things could have probably prevented this.  TM deciding to call the police or go home would have prevented this too.  instead he chose to make the altercation physical.  but all of you pretend that he had no part in getting shot.  TM stays at a distance or calls the police and zimmerman doesn't shoot him (if he did, then zimmerman would be guilty of murder)

my view on people carrying guns is pretty liberal, i don't understand the need for them and don't want people around me carrying me, and i don't think TM deserved to be shot.  but i'm also against beating people, which unfortunately has the consequence of sometimes getting you shot.

No one is saying that.  That's called a strawman

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Not currently watching, but how are her "court nails"? Man, I bet she's gonna get like, totally high after this is all done.

[michigancat]

Not currently watching, but how are her "court nails"? Man, I bet she's gonna get like, totally high after this is all done.

wut

[puniraptor]

half racist, half valleygirlist

[EMAWmeister]

If you aren't on your own property, and the guy is unarmed, it would have to be a very extreme case for me to ever be able to justify deadly force.

I've seen the bloody pictures of the front and back of Zimmerman's head, and I've read the interviews of some of the eyewitnesses describing Martin pinning Zimmerman down and punching the crap out of him. Of thats what happened, then it seems pretty extreme to me.

Now, if you're Zimmerman, are you thinking at that point: "golly, I wonder if this is extreme enough for me to shoot this guy?" Probably not. You'd probably shoot him. Or at least you pull your piece and tell him to back the eff off, and pray he doesn't grab it from you. Personally, I'd rather pull the trigger than take that chance.

And please, save the oh so predictable response "we'll I wouldn't have stalked the kid and started a fight with him." Ive not yet seen a shred of evidence that Zimmerman started the physical altercation, and there's nothing wrong with asking a stranger what they're doing in your neighborhood. If there was, this would be a much easier case for the state.

As for the "skittles and ice tea aren't a weapon" tripe, jfc. Martins fists evidently were weapons, unless you're also suggesting Zimmermam did that to himself.

If I'm zimmerman I don't have a gun and I leave him the eff alone after the 911 operator tells me to leave him the eff alone. Actually I probably don't do anything but drive my fat half-hispanic ass home.

Another testament to the ineptitude of the Sanford PD is that they didn't explicitly tell him to not pursue.  "Are you following him? Okay, we don't really need you to do that" isn't how I would explicitly tell a neighborhood watch captain who believes this is his duty to stop pursuit. Especially after he said "Have them call me and I'll tell them where I am". No, you'll get the eff back in your car and wait for a police officer.

[bubbles4ksu]

Not sure, it sounded good though, but if they find her statement false, she is mumped and I believe they tell the jury to ignore the statements made by the witness.

witness accuracy and credibility is for the jury to decide.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Not currently watching, but how are her "court nails"? Man, I bet she's gonna get like, totally high after this is all done.

wut

Google. Look for smoking gun.

[star seed 7]

If you aren't on your own property, and the guy is unarmed, it would have to be a very extreme case for me to ever be able to justify deadly force.

The dispatcher isn't a cop, and isn't allowed to give direct orders because of liability.  Read that somewhere, and makes sense.

I've seen the bloody pictures of the front and back of Zimmerman's head, and I've read the interviews of some of the eyewitnesses describing Martin pinning Zimmerman down and punching the crap out of him. Of thats what happened, then it seems pretty extreme to me.

Now, if you're Zimmerman, are you thinking at that point: "golly, I wonder if this is extreme enough for me to shoot this guy?" Probably not. You'd probably shoot him. Or at least you pull your piece and tell him to back the eff off, and pray he doesn't grab it from you. Personally, I'd rather pull the trigger than take that chance.

And please, save the oh so predictable response "we'll I wouldn't have stalked the kid and started a fight with him." Ive not yet seen a shred of evidence that Zimmerman started the physical altercation, and there's nothing wrong with asking a stranger what they're doing in your neighborhood. If there was, this would be a much easier case for the state.

As for the "skittles and ice tea aren't a weapon" tripe, jfc. Martins fists evidently were weapons, unless you're also suggesting Zimmermam did that to himself.

If I'm zimmerman I don't have a gun and I leave him the eff alone after the 911 operator tells me to leave him the eff alone. Actually I probably don't do anything but drive my fat half-hispanic ass home.

Another testament to the ineptitude of the Sanford PD is that they didn't explicitly tell him to not pursue.  "Are you following him? Okay, we don't really need you to do that" isn't how I would explicitly tell a neighborhood watch captain who believes this is his duty to stop pursuit. Especially after he said "Have them call me and I'll tell them where I am". No, you'll get the eff back in your car and wait for a police officer.

I've read that since the dispatcher isn't a cop, they are directed to not give direct orders like that because of liability.

[sys]

yeah, lots of folks (myself included) have said that Zimmerman will probably be found not guilty you dopes.

if we humans weren't vengeful, irrational pieces of crap, it'd be almost impossible to convict anyone of anything in our legal system.  reasonable doubt is pretty nearly an impossible standard.


on the only jury i ever served on, i was solely responsible for not convicting a guy of assault on a cop.  i want that on my contrarian permanent record.

[OK_Cat]

Not sure, it sounded good though, but if they find her statement false, she is mumped and I believe they tell the jury to ignore the statements made by the witness.

sit this one out, fanning