Frank watch 2012:

[8manpick]

If I'm Frank, and I'm arguably the best basketball coach K-State has had, certainly the best in the modern era, and our athletic department made $25MM in profit last year, I want a rough ridin' raise. Period. 

I could give a crap how he decides to go about it.  There are approximately 1000 K-State fans even aware that Frank's name is being mentioned in connection with the South Carolina job.

[Panjandrum]

No, you assume he will.  His boss may not be willing to give him a raise unless someone comes at him with a better offer.

You are assuming Currie will do the right thing.  Do not make that assumption when the manager/employee have a strained relationship.

And you assume he won't.  Currie may be willing to give him a raise even if nobody else comes at him with a better offer.  See 2010. 

You are assuming Currie will do the wrong thing.  Do not make that assumption when the manager/employee may not have a strained relationship.

Frank was being paid, what, 700k in 2010 as the Big 12 Coach of the Year?

If we didn't give him a raise, we would have looked disgustingly cheap.

And we know that they do have a strained relationship.  This isn't an assumption.  It's out there in the open.

[Kat Kid]

frank's a dumbass and needs to...I don't know...act like a man?

Yeah, there's lots of dumb personality-trait stuff that Frank does.  I give him a pass on almost all of it because I'm a sellout for wins. 

I'm willing to give a pass for everything basketball related, but this isn't basketball related.*

*I guess it is, because the this annual bullshit will ultimately cost us wins if it keeps up (even if he stays).

Link please.

I feely admit I find this tactic annoying and boorish.  But why do you find it so impossible to think that frank feels he has to fight for his right to party?  Like trim this all comes back to the currie relationship for me because we absolutey know that it sucks.  I begin and end every thought about frank's behavior with regards to currie with the fact that they don't get along in mind.

[Belvis Noland]

Yeah, there's lots of dumb personality-trait stuff that Frank does.  I give him a pass on almost all of it because I'm a sellout for wins.

I give him a pass too.  But, this contract stuff makes our school look bad, and that pisses me off.  I dunno, maybe I'm too thin skinned.  But, I'm surrounded by KU douche nozzles in KC who are all like..

"Heard Martin's going to SC..  Why would he go there?  SC sucks..  Welp, guess it's still a better job than KSU."   

[Trim]

Yeah, there's lots of dumb personality-trait stuff that Frank does.  I give him a pass on almost all of it because I'm a sellout for wins.

I give him a pass too.  But, this contract stuff makes our school look bad, and that pisses me off.  I dunno, maybe I'm too thin skinned.  But, I'm surrounded by KU douche nozzles in KC who are all like..

"Heard Martin's going to SC..  Why would he go there?  SC sucks..  Welp, guess it's still a better job than KSU."   

Choke them.

[Belvis Noland]

There are approximately 1000 K-State fans even aware that Frank's name is being mentioned in connection with the South Carolina job.

Considering Petro mentioned it on his show the other day...   

[Belvis Noland]

Frank was being paid, what, 700k in 2010 as the Big 12 Coach of the Year?

If we didn't give him a raise, we would have looked disgustingly cheap.

And we did give him a raise.  $1.5mil base + incentives.  Remember, Frank was all crying about his childhood and how much he loved K-State? 

I remember it.  I watched the press conference. 

[michigancat]

Link please.

If you have an example of something Currie is doing to piss off Frank that is basketball related, I'd love to see it. Belvis has listed plenty of things that Currie has done for him. I mean I guess you could consider the Jamar situation, but I would guess 95% of AD's would have acted the exact same way.

I feely admit I find this tactic annoying and boorish.  But why do you find it so impossible to think that frank feels he has to fight for his right to party?  Like trim this all comes back to the currie relationship for me because we absolutey know that it sucks.  I begin and end every thought about frank's behavior with regards to currie with the fact that they don't get along in mind.

I don't really give a crap how Frank feels about Currie, he's acting like a dumbass when he does this crap. If he wants to screw Currie by going to South Carolina, he's a childish dumbass. If it's simple posturing so he can party hardy, Frank's still a childish dumbass who is making is current job look like crap.

Frank quite simply isn't good enough to be considered for a job that wouldn't make it seem like he's a dumbass for either taking or using for leverage. The best thing Frank can do for himself is get better so he can be considered for those jobs.

[Belvis Noland]

this all comes back to the currie relationship for me because we absolutey know that it sucks. 

We don't know this.  That's the thing.  Clearly Frank and Currie don't see eye to eye on all things.  And I'm sure Currie does things that piss Frank off, and vice versa. 

It's an employment relationship.  their grown ass men in a cut-throat occupation.  They don't have to be besties that send eachother Easter baskets and birthday cards. 

Frank does the winning.  Currie writes the checks.  That's how this works.  If Frank gets mad that Currie wants him to stop cursing, he should just look at his bank balance and shut his mouth. 

     

[Mikeyis4dcats]

this all comes back to the currie relationship for me because we absolutey know that it sucks. 

We don't know this.  That's the thing.  Clearly Frank and Currie don't see eye to eye on all things.  And I'm sure Currie does things that piss Frank off, and vice versa. 

It's an employment relationship.  their grown ass men in a cut-throat occupation.  They don't have to be besties that send eachother Easter baskets and birthday cards. 

Frank does the winning.  Currie writes the checks.  That's how this works.  If Frank gets mad that Currie wants him to stop cursing, he should just look at his bank balance and shut his mouth. 

   

FWIW from what I was told, Frank cleaned up his act because he felt the fanbase was out of control, not because Currie told him to.

[michigancat]

when did Frank clean up his act? Did I completely miss something or was it after Frank clearly called Spradling a "rough ridin' coward" at the end of a win over a top 10 team?

[Cartierfor3]

when did Frank clean up his act? Did I completely miss something or was it after Frank clearly called Spradling a "rough ridin' coward" at the end of a win over a top 10 team?

To be fair Will made the 2nd free throw. 

[Kat Kid]

Link please.

If you have an example of something Currie is doing to piss off Frank that is basketball related, I'd love to see it. Belvis has listed plenty of things that Currie has done for him. I mean I guess you could consider the Jamar situation, but I would guess 95% of AD's would have acted the exact same way.

I feely admit I find this tactic annoying and boorish.  But why do you find it so impossible to think that frank feels he has to fight for his right to party?  Like trim this all comes back to the currie relationship for me because we absolutey know that it sucks.  I begin and end every thought about frank's behavior with regards to currie with the fact that they don't get along in mind.

I don't really give a crap how Frank feels about Currie, he's acting like a dumbass when he does this crap. If he wants to screw Currie by going to South Carolina, he's a childish dumbass. If it's simple posturing so he can party hardy, Frank's still a childish dumbass who is making is current job look like crap.

Frank quite simply isn't good enough to be considered for a job that wouldn't make it seem like he's a dumbass for either taking or using for leverage. The best thing Frank can do for himself is get better so he can be considered for those jobs.

You asserted Frank Watch was going to start costing us games.  So who are the comparables and how many games?

I can't believe you actually typed out this:

Frank quite simply isn't good enough to be considered for a job that wouldn't make it seem like he's a dumbass for either taking or using for leverage. The best thing Frank can do for himself is get better so he can be considered for those jobs.

And yet still think this is all about Frank.

 

[Kat Kid]

this all comes back to the currie relationship for me because we absolutey know that it sucks. 

We don't know this.  That's the thing.  Clearly Frank and Currie don't see eye to eye on all things.  And I'm sure Currie does things that piss Frank off, and vice versa. 

It's an employment relationship.  their grown ass men in a cut-throat occupation.  They don't have to be besties that send eachother Easter baskets and birthday cards. 

Frank does the winning.  Currie writes the checks.  That's how this works.  If Frank gets mad that Currie wants him to stop cursing, he should just look at his bank balance and shut his mouth.

Yeah, the AD witch hunt at KU over coach-player relations certainly gives me a lot to look forward to if Currie decides to toe the line.  I guess we'll be in prime position to bring in a Turner Gill type to get us on the path to rightousness.

And Currie may well write the checks, but he sure doesn't fill the bank account.  He wants to pull rank of Frank?  He needs to be reminded who he works for.

[CHONGS]

yep most beloved

[CNS]

Yeah, there's lots of dumb personality-trait stuff that Frank does.  I give him a pass on almost all of it because I'm a sellout for wins.

I give him a pass too.  But, this contract stuff makes our school look bad, and that pisses me off.  I dunno, maybe I'm too thin skinned.  But, I'm surrounded by KU douche nozzles in KC who are all like..

"Heard Martin's going to SC..  Why would he go there?  SC sucks..  Welp, guess it's still a better job than KSU."   

Choke them.

Sounds like the problem is being personally owned by retards rather than any actual KSU/Frank details

[Kat Kid]

yep most beloved

No kidding.  I feel like I've got to defend Frank to even goEMAW.

 

[CNS]

when did Frank clean up his act? Did I completely miss something or was it after Frank clearly called Spradling a "rough ridin' coward" at the end of a win over a top 10 team?

To be fair, I would assume that his opinion of Sprads is cumulative, rather than specifically based off the win over a top 10 team. 

[Belvis Noland]

Yeah, the AD witch hunt at KU over coach-player relations certainly gives me a lot to look forward to if Currie decides to toe the line.  I guess we'll be in prime position to bring in a Turner Gill type to get us on the path to rightousness.

And Currie may well write the checks, but he sure doesn't fill the bank account.  He wants to pull rank of Frank?  He needs to be reminded who he works for.

what the eff are you talking about?  serious question. 

[michigancat]

You asserted Frank Watch was going to start costing us games.  So who are the comparables and how many games?

Granted, I don't have comparables. Most coaches in Frank's position wouldn't be floating for jobs that are clearly worse situations. I think going through this every other year will hurt recruiting which would lead to fewer wins (approximately 2 conference games per year).

I can't believe you actually typed out this:

Frank quite simply isn't good enough to be considered for a job that wouldn't make it seem like he's a dumbass for either taking or using for leverage. The best thing Frank can do for himself is get better so he can be considered for those jobs.

And yet still think this is all about Frank.

When did I say it is all about Frank? My point stands even if Currie is 100% responsible for Frank's unhappyness. When you add up the things Belvis listed

[Belvis Noland]

btw, based on Frank's on-the-court record (including recruiting) over the past 5 years, to what number should his salary be raised and why?

Throw out some numbers.  what $$$ should make Frank happy? 

[Dr Rick Daris]

btw, based on Frank's on-the-court record (including recruiting) over the past 5 years, to what number should his salary be raised and why?

Throw out some numbers.  what $$$ should make Frank happy?

make a list of all of the coaches that have made the tournament 4 out of the last five years. add their salaries together and then divide by the number of people on that list.

[michigancat]

This is a year old, but I'd say Frank should be pretty happy with $1.7 or 1.8, and that's probably about what he deserves.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2011-coaches-salary-database.htm

[sonofdaxjones]

I'll just drop this reminder in . . .

In a month Frank will be paid a $250K bonus just for being at K-State.  (Also don't forget he was paid another $468K bonus just for signing his re-done contract a couple of years ago). 

He's also going to get a $104K bonus for reaching the NCAA tourney, he's going to get a $25K bonus for for K-State's rising APR score, he might get another $50K bonus if men's basketball's GSR is higher than the student body.   

Frank's total salary/bonus compensation (does not include the laundry list of fringe benefits like cars, clubs, travel, expense accounts) for this year . . . projected $1.679 million to $1.729 million.

Oh, don't forget basketball camps, probably pushes Frank near the $2 milllion mark.

[Belvis Noland]

make a list of all of the coaches that have made the tournament 4 out of the last five years. add their salaries together and then divide by the number of people on that list.

Along the same lines of the "Frank is one of the best coaches in America" talking point...

Currie renegotiated Martin's contract two years ago which included annual increases of $100k, $250k 'bonus' this year for staying for the past two seasons and another $500k bonus if he stays until year 5 of that agreement. His team finished 3rd in the Big 12 the year he renegotiated, finished 4th last year and 5th this year.

But, yeah should be paid elite money like elite coaches becuase he's advanced to the 2nd round of the tourney a lot.