Author Topic: JO leader (Read 4138 times)

EMAWzified · « **on:** March 17, 2012, 02:43:01 PM »

Announcers said he was hotly chewing out Diaz during a Cuse FT attempt for, I think, not getting back on defense.
Amazing how far he's come. Hope he gets some international experience this summer.

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #1 on:** March 17, 2012, 02:44:38 PM »

I am on team JO

Cartierfor3 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 17, 2012, 02:49:27 PM »

He had me at "you played your heart out C"

j-dub · « **Reply #3 on:** March 17, 2012, 03:07:56 PM »

Quote from: CartierFor3 on March 17, 2012, 02:49:27 PM

He had me at "you played your heart out C"

this. he was amazing this tourney. i'm very proud of him.

sys · « **Reply #4 on:** March 17, 2012, 03:08:59 PM »

hard for a big to be a leader.

SuperG · « **Reply #5 on:** March 17, 2012, 11:34:59 PM »

Do you guys think he will average a dub-dub next year?

I'm leaning toward.... YES!!!!!

puniraptor · « **Reply #6 on:** March 17, 2012, 11:35:56 PM »

Quote from: SuperG on March 17, 2012, 11:34:59 PM

Do you guys think he will average a dub-dub next year?

I'm leaning toward.... YES!!!!!

Super yes.

EMAWmeister · « **Reply #7 on:** March 17, 2012, 11:38:51 PM »

Quote from: CartierFor3 on March 17, 2012, 02:49:27 PM

He had me at "you played your heart out C"

Where is this video again? Would love to watch

MakeItRain · « **Reply #8 on:** March 17, 2012, 11:40:18 PM »

Quote from: sys on March 17, 2012, 03:08:59 PM

hard for a big to be a leader.

100% agree

Stevesie60 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 17, 2012, 11:42:23 PM »

Quote from: sys on March 17, 2012, 03:08:59 PM

hard for a big to be a leader.

Why is that?

EMAWzified · « **Reply #10 on:** March 17, 2012, 11:46:55 PM »

Floor leader, maybe. Locker room, practice leader, not at all. Haven't you heard Frank go on about Colon?

MakeItRain · « **Reply #11 on:** March 17, 2012, 11:51:51 PM »

Quote from: Stevesie60 on March 17, 2012, 11:42:23 PM

Quote from: sys on March 17, 2012, 03:08:59 PM
hard for a big to be a leader.

Why is that?

I think just by nature of the game it works best when your leader on the floor is a facilitator. Just like outfielders in baseball, linemen in football, and goalies in hockey. A big can lead other bigs but not the team. I can't think of one championship level team college or pro that was lead by a big.

Panjandrum · « **Reply #12 on:** March 17, 2012, 11:53:25 PM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on March 17, 2012, 11:51:51 PM

Quote from: Stevesie60 on March 17, 2012, 11:42:23 PM
Quote from: sys on March 17, 2012, 03:08:59 PM
hard for a big to be a leader.

Why is that?

I think just by nature of the game it works best when your leader on the floor is a facilitator. Just like outfielders in baseball, linemen in football, and goalies in hockey. A big can lead other bigs but not the team. I can't think of one championship level team college or pro that was lead by a big.

Spurs?

EMAWzified · « **Reply #13 on:** March 18, 2012, 12:03:01 AM »

Bill Russell, Rick Berry, Wes Unseld, Bill Walton, Jabbar (before Magic), Olajuwan, and -- eff him -- Hansbrough at North Carolina.

Stevesie60 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 18, 2012, 12:04:48 AM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on March 17, 2012, 11:51:51 PM

Quote from: Stevesie60 on March 17, 2012, 11:42:23 PM
Quote from: sys on March 17, 2012, 03:08:59 PM
hard for a big to be a leader.

Why is that?

I think just by nature of the game it works best when your leader on the floor is a facilitator. Just like outfielders in baseball, linemen in football, and goalies in hockey. A big can lead other bigs but not the team. I can't think of one championship level team college or pro that was lead by a big.

I couldn't think of any either, I was just wondering why that was. Your explanation sounds good to me.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #15 on:** March 18, 2012, 12:06:34 AM »

Quote from: Panjandrum on March 17, 2012, 11:53:25 PM

Quote from: MakeItRain on March 17, 2012, 11:51:51 PM
Quote from: Stevesie60 on March 17, 2012, 11:42:23 PM
Quote from: sys on March 17, 2012, 03:08:59 PM
hard for a big to be a leader.

Why is that?

I think just by nature of the game it works best when your leader on the floor is a facilitator. Just like outfielders in baseball, linemen in football, and goalies in hockey. A big can lead other bigs but not the team. I can't think of one championship level team college or pro that was lead by a big.

Spurs?

Avery Johnson and Ginobili. Tim Duncan is an amazing player, LOL at him being a leader in any fashion. Best player doesn't at all mean leader, see O'Neal, Shaq. The closest example I can think of is the Wolves under KG but to my point, they sucked when they didn't have strong veteran guards.

nicname · « **Reply #16 on:** March 18, 2012, 12:09:18 AM »

Vocal, and defensive definitely yes. If JO can be a consistent force defensively he will command a lot of respect. When you are as good of a last line of defense as he can be your words carry a lot of weight.

EMAWzified · « **Reply #17 on:** March 18, 2012, 12:10:41 AM »

If by big you mean only center, I guess Rick Berry doesn't count, nor Larry Bird.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #18 on:** March 18, 2012, 12:11:51 AM »

Quote from: EMAWzified on March 18, 2012, 12:03:01 AM

Bill Russell, Rick Berry, Wes Unseld, Bill Walton, Jabbar (before Magic), Olajuwan, and -- eff him -- Hansbrough at North Carolina.

That's a list of good players not team leaders. Kareem and Barry, lol, those guys were hated by everyone who ever played with them. Literally the worst possible examples of leaders.

EMAWzified · « **Reply #19 on:** March 18, 2012, 12:20:35 AM »

Bill Russell was player/coach for christ sakes.
There's nothing that says you have to be loved to lead.
Berry may not have been popular, but no question he was the leader of the Golden State championship team. Arrogant bad person maybe, but the paradox that he was a good team ballplayer -- great defender and good rebounder for his size.

nicname · « **Reply #20 on:** March 18, 2012, 12:31:54 AM »

Both

College

MakeItRain · « **Reply #21 on:** March 18, 2012, 12:55:53 AM »

Every single one of those players with DC being the exception played with at least one hall of fame guard. DC played with 5 NBAers at Syracuse and is also another example of confusing the teams best player with being the team leader.

michigancat · « **Reply #22 on:** March 18, 2012, 01:22:49 AM »

Leadership is a myth.

nicname · « **Reply #23 on:** March 18, 2012, 02:03:20 AM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on March 18, 2012, 12:55:53 AM

Every single one of those players with DC being the exception played with at least one hall of fame guard. DC played with 5 NBAers at Syracuse and is also another example of confusing the teams best player with being the team leader.

John Wallace. Bold not relevant, all those guys were hard-nosed kick your ass leaders that I hope JO can be like.

jtksu · « **Reply #24 on:** March 18, 2012, 02:11:50 AM »

Leadership is today's college game is super overrated, unless you're a midmajor.