Coaching update

[MakeItRain]

Only PepperJaxBeems would take my point about K-State being able to match anything Illinois could offer financially if it choose to do so and have a complete bi-polar meltdown about it.

The numbers are the numbers, K-State athletics is vastly more profitable than Illinois athletics.

Profitability doesn't mean anything.  The ability to generate revenue is what you should focus on.

K-State athletics blew Illinois out of the water in both net and gross revenues.   

well there you go.  hard for me to believe it but I'll take your word.  but i think you're full of crap and it's not true.

FY 2011 Equity in Athletics Report to the DOE:

K-State:  Gross Revenues:  $68.8  Million   Net Revenue:  $23.5 Million

Illinois:  Gross Revenue:  $57.5 Million   Net Revenue:  $1.7 Million

i was only kidding but thx for pulling those.  just goes to show that Illinois isn't afraid to get out the Amex Black.

I've already told you that Illinois' basketball only revenues dwarf that of KSU's but their basketball expenditures are nearly identical.

[sonofdaxjones]

Wow, so Weber takes them to the Final Four and they were only paying him $1.5 million a year.

Frank makes more.

[pissclams]

Only PepperJaxBeems would take my point about K-State being able to match anything Illinois could offer financially if it choose to do so and have a complete bi-polar meltdown about it.

The numbers are the numbers, K-State athletics is vastly more profitable than Illinois athletics.

Profitability doesn't mean anything.  The ability to generate revenue is what you should focus on.

K-State athletics blew Illinois out of the water in both net and gross revenues.   

well there you go.  hard for me to believe it but I'll take your word.  but i think you're full of crap and it's not true.

FY 2011 Equity in Athletics Report to the DOE:

K-State:  Gross Revenues:  $68.8  Million   Net Revenue:  $23.5 Million

Illinois:  Gross Revenue:  $57.5 Million   Net Revenue:  $1.7 Million

i was only kidding but thx for pulling those.  just goes to show that Illinois isn't afraid to get out the Amex Black.

I've already told you that Illinois' basketball only revenues dwarf that of KSU's but their basketball expenditures are nearly identical.

but i thought you were lying.  no one refutes dax when it comes to AD money stuff.  he's the gold standard.

[CHONGS]

Wow, so Weber takes them to the Final Four and they were only paying him $1.5 million a year.

Frank makes more.

they knew it was with Bill's kids

[MakeItRain]

henson. lou henson. also, no. no self was not better in the couple of years he was there than henson was. gill, anderson, bardo? eff me. the guy averaged over twenty wins during a twenty year coaching period while at illinois. jesus christ and you can't even get his name right.

Dude it was auto corrected on my phone and I missed it, rough ridin' chill.  You don't think I know who Lou Henson is?  Get rough ridin' real man.  I have the program from his final four.  Speaking of which, after his final four he won 1 tournament game his last 7 years including missing the tournament altogether in that time frame.

how would i know what you know and what you don't? i'm not a mind reader and i certainly didn't program code on whatever auto corrected "henson" to "benson".

that aside, henson also averaged over twenty wins over twenty years at that school, meanwhile bill self inherited a lon kruger team full of future nbaers  and then promptly went to an elite 8, a sweet 16 and then the second round exit in the ncaa tournament. i would hardly call not making a final four and finishing worse every single year he was there "amazing". maybe your phone autocorrect "pretty good" to "amazing" though. 

You didn't have to know what my intent was, you chose not to give me the benefit of the doubt on a word, I defended myself so that's done. 

As far as the actual point that we should be discussing I'm comfortable with what I said.  We've discussed what Henson didn't do his last 7 years, Kruger coached at Illinois one year longer than Self and he won two less conference titles and only three more games.  Sure Kruger gets credit for setting Self up to succeed and winning after Henson, but Self would have won a title there within 5 years.

[MakeItRain]

henson. lou henson. also, no. no self was not better in the couple of years he was there than henson was. gill, anderson, bardo? eff me. the guy averaged over twenty wins during a twenty year coaching period while at illinois. jesus christ and you can't even get his name right.

Dude it was auto corrected on my phone and I missed it, rough ridin' chill.  You don't think I know who Lou Henson is?  Get rough ridin' real man.  I have the program from his final four.  Speaking of which, after his final four he won 1 tournament game his last 7 years including missing the tournament altogether in that time frame.

how would i know what you know and what you don't? i'm not a mind reader and i certainly didn't program code on whatever auto corrected "henson" to "benson".

that aside, henson also averaged over twenty wins over twenty years at that school, meanwhile bill self inherited a lon kruger team full of future nbaers  and then promptly went to an elite 8, a sweet 16 and then the second round exit in the ncaa tournament. i would hardly call not making a final four and finishing worse every single year he was there "amazing". maybe your phone autocorrect "pretty good" to "amazing" though. 

careful rick...how dare you question MIR when it comes to basketball?

What the hell is that about Chings?  Am I not allowed to defend myself?  Telling him my phone auto corrected is the same as telling him he isn't smart enough to have a conversation with me?  Whatever

[Pete]

henson. lou henson. also, no. no self was not better in the couple of years he was there than henson was. gill, anderson, bardo? eff me. the guy averaged over twenty wins during a twenty year coaching period while at illinois. jesus christ and you can't even get his name right.

Dude it was auto corrected on my phone and I missed it, rough ridin' chill.  You don't think I know who Lou Henson is?  Get rough ridin' real man.  I have the program from his final four.  Speaking of which, after his final four he won 1 tournament game his last 7 years including missing the tournament altogether in that time frame.

how would i know what you know and what you don't? i'm not a mind reader and i certainly didn't program code on whatever auto corrected "henson" to "benson".

that aside, henson also averaged over twenty wins over twenty years at that school, meanwhile bill self inherited a lon kruger team full of future nbaers  and then promptly went to an elite 8, a sweet 16 and then the second round exit in the ncaa tournament. i would hardly call not making a final four and finishing worse every single year he was there "amazing". maybe your phone autocorrect "pretty good" to "amazing" though. 

careful rick...how dare you question MIR when it comes to basketball?

What the hell is that about Chings?  Am I not allowed to defend myself?  Telling him my phone auto corrected is the same as telling him he isn't smart enough to have a conversation with me?  Whatever

Chings is on the war path today!   

[CHONGS]

I am I don't really enjoy my arguments being called cute.  Its rough ridin' patronizing I don't think  I need to be defenseless to that.

[sonofdaxjones]

Illinois is one of those "should be a great job" places . . . they've had a pretty fair share of success, but they've only been to 2 Final Fours in the last 60 years.  As an athletic program they're slightly more successful than mu, yet, like mu they are the only major public D1 school in a higher population state.

Gotta be pretty frustrating if you're an Illini fan.

[MakeItRain]

How in the world does that involve you to me?  Drive by cross fire?

[ChiComCat]

How in the world does that involve you to me?  Drive by cross fire?

You called his argument cute.  You were the target of the drive by

[CHONGS]

Illinois is one of those "should be a great job" places . . . they've had a pretty fair share of success, but they've only been to 2 Final Fours in the last 60 years.  As an athletic program they're slightly more successful than mu, yet, like mu they are the only major public D1 school in a higher population state.

Gotta be pretty frustrating if you're an Illini fan.

This is all true.  They are very frustrated much like mizzou fans.  the truth is, however, like mizzou they have the reputation of being a great job (actually even more so than mizzou).   

[CHONGS]

How in the world does that involve you to me?  Drive by cross fire?

You called his argument cute.  You were the target of the drive by

I am not above a drive by.  It's in my people's blood.

[Pete]

This is horrible.  I love them both. 

[MakeItRain]

Illinois is one of those "should be a great job" places . . . they've had a pretty fair share of success, but they've only been to 2 Final Fours in the last 60 years.  As an athletic program they're slightly more successful than mu, yet, like mu they are the only major public D1 school in a higher population state.

Gotta be pretty frustrating if you're an Illini fan.

I agree with this but I think the opportunity a program can take advantage of the things you pointed out is far less these days.  The world is getting smaller.  More programs have money and access to easy travel and as pointed out, recruiting is no longer regional.

[MakeItRain]

How in the world does that involve you to me?  Drive by cross fire?

You called his argument cute.  You were the target of the drive by

I am not above a drive by.  It's in my people's blood.

What?  Where?  Point it out to me and I'll apologize or explain.  I'm well aware that Chingon is smarter than me.

[CNS]

Which job would allow more cash payouts and other types of illegal recruiting?  How about looking the other way once the recruits signed and were on campus? 

Look, I don't know the answer, but I would say that whichever is better at the above is the better job regardless of any budget issues(other than HC pay, cause eff being underpaid).

[CHONGS]

Why do you people think how close to Chicago matters? I love how dumbasses like 'clams uses the it isn't 1950 argument and then in the next breath acts like college basketball is still regional like it was the 50's.  Which is it

The talk about Illinois' potential is cute but you can say that about literally any school.  Illinois is such a great basketball school and they have so much money and prestige that their final four coach made $200,000 more than our high school coach.  Last year Illinois spent $600,000 more on their basketball program than we did.  Want to guess what that will look like in 2012 since we now have a practice facility?  KSU spent $300,000 more on recruiting than Illinois.  We're not poor, we do have a burdensome sense of inferiority though.

but whatever, I don't care if someone calls out what  say, its just that it was a bit patronizing and I have a very bad temper when it comes to that.

[ChiComCat]

smart people are supposed to be patronizing dumb people.  Chings is too smart for that crap

[MakeItRain]

Oooooh I didn't have you in mind when I posted that, kinda sad that you would think I would treat you like a common dummy like kim carnes.  I actually had to go back and reread your posts because everything I read from you I agreed with and I do agree with you with one exception.  They have not taken control of their built in advantages ever.  With the exception of the three years of Self and the two after their success has been sporadic.  And also as I just said the opportunity to take control of those advantages is waning.

I think the jumping off point is that some are saying that Illinois is a much better job because of those advantages.  I acknowledge the advantages exist on some level but they have to grasp them before they get blanket credit for having them.

[michigancat]

Oooooh I didn't have you in mind when I posted that, kinda sad that you would think I would treat you like a common dummy like kim carnes.  I actually had to go back and reread your posts because everything I read from you I agreed with and I do agree with you with one exception.  They have not taken control of their built in advantages ever.  With the exception of the three years of Self and the two after their success has been sporadic.  And also as I just said the opportunity to take control of those advantages is waning.

I think the jumping off point is that some are saying that Illinois is a much better job because of those advantages.  I acknowledge the advantages exist on some level but they have to grasp them before they get blanket credit for having them.

I don't think anyone but kim carnes and beems were saying Illinois was MUCH better. Will not go back and reread to confirm.

[MakeItRain]

Oooooh I didn't have you in mind when I posted that, kinda sad that you would think I would treat you like a common dummy like kim carnes.  I actually had to go back and reread your posts because everything I read from you I agreed with and I do agree with you with one exception.  They have not taken control of their built in advantages ever.  With the exception of the three years of Self and the two after their success has been sporadic.  And also as I just said the opportunity to take control of those advantages is waning.

I think the jumping off point is that some are saying that Illinois is a much better job because of those advantages.  I acknowledge the advantages exist on some level but they have to grasp them before they get blanket credit for having them.

I don't think anyone but kim carnes and beems were saying Illinois was MUCH better. Will not go back and reread to confirm.

Yeah they hooked me.  I threw a grenade in retaliation and took out some of my people.  Weird that I knew Illini In The Know was a sock but let beems hook me anyway.  I feel dumb.

[CHONGS]

Oooooh I didn't have you in mind when I posted that, kinda sad that you would think I would treat you like a common dummy like kim carnes.  I actually had to go back and reread your posts because everything I read from you I agreed with and I do agree with you with one exception.  They have not taken control of their built in advantages ever.  With the exception of the three years of Self and the two after their success has been sporadic.  And also as I just said the opportunity to take control of those advantages is waning.

I think the jumping off point is that some are saying that Illinois is a much better job because of those advantages.  I acknowledge the advantages exist on some level but they have to grasp them before they get blanket credit for having them.

I don't think anyone but kim carnes and beems were saying Illinois was MUCH better. Will not go back and reread to confirm.

Yeah they hooked me.  I threw a grenade in retaliation and took out some of my people.  Weird that I knew Illini In The Know was a sock but let beems hook me anyway.  I feel dumb.

pro tip: not a beems sock

strange but true

[joda]

Can we channel some of the anger in this thread into the team? Damn, they'd go all the way.

[CHONGS]

Can we channel some of the anger in this thread into the team? Damn, they'd go all the way.

I would love to joda. 

I love ksu hoops so much.