Teams we need to cheer against

[Powercat Posse]

More than likely, we are going to be in the 8 vs 9 game.    Probably as an 8 seed.    I still think there is a decent chance that we could get a 7 seed.    Here is my thought process

1)  Lunardi's 8 seeds were Kstate, iowa st, memphis and bama.   Iowa St losing was a good thing.   Texas likely moves in the top 50, giving us another good top 50 win.    We lost to a much better team than Isu did.

2) 2 of Lunardi's 7 seeds are weak IMO.
Gonzaga =  Got 2nd in WCC reg season and tourney.   Best wins are NDame and St marys.  IMO, they are in 8 vs 9 game
N Mexico =  1 good noncon win (St Louis) 1 terrible loss (rpi 303 santa clara).   All top 4 teams in the MWC went 3-3 vs each other

3) Our quality wins could be a big factor.  3 wins vs top 15(2 on road) and 6 wins vs top 50 (If Texas jumps into top 50)


So the teams we need to cheer against =
1. New Mexico (current Lunardi 7 seed) =  play UNLV in Mt West semis
2. SD ST (current 7 seed) =  play Colo St in Mt West semis
3. Memphis (current 8 seed) =  need them to not win Conf Usa champ
4. Cincy (current 9 seed) = Beat Gtown tonight. Play Cuse tommorrow.   
5. Bama (current 8 seed) =   They play Fla 2mrw
6. Purdue (current 9 seed) = They play Ohio St 2mrw
7. Virginia (current 9 seed) = just cant have them beat NC st and UNC

[kso_FAN]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

Cronin! Roy!
Oh boy!

[Powercat Posse]

Yeah, Cincy might be up to an 8 seed with that win over Gtown yday.   They have some good wins like us (Gtown twice, Marquette, Notre Dame, Lousiville).    But their SOS is 94 though because they play a very weak non con (and beat no one in non-con) and have 3 losses outstide of top 150.   If they lose to the Cuse, i still think we are ahead of them in pecking order

Texas did move up into the top 50 (43 according the rpi i look at).   So we now have 6 top 50 wins.   

Most everyone still has in the 8v9 game.   Last year, most experts had us as a 6 seed before we lost to CU in B12 tourney.    Then it seemed like we were going to be a 6, maybe even a 7 seed.    And we got a 5 seed.   I think our big wins vs KU and Texas helped us get that 5 seed.   Just being optomistic that we can be a 7 seed and avoid UK Cuse and UNC

[pissclams]

sorry powercat posse (sp?) but i don't cheer against other teams.  it's unsportsmanlike and therefore uncatlike.

it would be like bringing an outlawed chinese napalm firebomb pizza furnace to a PAK instead of just eating a big container of cat corn.

good grief.

[scottwildcat]

need help deciding, do I pray we drop down to a 10 or cheer against teams to get a 7. Which is most likely? tia  ftb

[kso_FAN]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

Cronin! Roy!
Oh boy!

Updated. I don't really care for a rematch with Bama. 

[kso_FAN]

Here is your full seed comparo for the day:

[Powercat Posse]

I think its  very unlikely we drop to a 10.     I think we are wearing a home jersey (whether it be 7 or 8 seed)

The Mt West is the 5th rated conf.   The WCC is rated 11th.   All 4 current 7 seeds are from those 2 leagues.    I guess i would just be surprised to see 2 teams get 7 seeds from the 11th rated conference...... when neither has a really great body of work.

I agree, the rematch vs Bama in a possible 8 vs 9 game or a rematch vs WVirg in a 7 vs 10 ........... i feel both are unlikely as the committee tries to avoid 1st round rematches.       Any of those other 10 seeds, i would play in a heartbeat.

[JKEYS]

More than likely, we are going to be in the 8 vs 9 game.    Probably as an 8 seed.    I still think there is a decent chance that we could get a 7 seed.    Here is my thought process

1)  Lunardi's 8 seeds were Kstate, iowa st, memphis and bama.   Iowa St losing was a good thing.   Texas likely moves in the top 50, giving us another good top 50 win.    We lost to a much better team than Isu did.

2) 2 of Lunardi's 7 seeds are weak IMO.
Gonzaga =  Got 2nd in WCC reg season and tourney.   Best wins are NDame and St marys.  IMO, they are in 8 vs 9 game
N Mexico =  1 good noncon win (St Louis) 1 terrible loss (rpi 303 santa clara).   All top 4 teams in the MWC went 3-3 vs each other

3) Our quality wins could be a big factor.  3 wins vs top 15(2 on road) and 6 wins vs top 50 (If Texas jumps into top 50)


So the teams we need to cheer against =
1. New Mexico (current Lunardi 7 seed) =  play UNLV in Mt West semis
2. SD ST (current 7 seed) =  play Colo St in Mt West semis
3. Memphis (current 8 seed) =  need them to not win Conf Usa champ
4. Cincy (current 9 seed) = Beat Gtown tonight. Play Cuse tommorrow.   
5. Bama (current 8 seed) =   They play Fla 2mrw6. Purdue (current 9 seed) = They play Ohio St 2mrw
7. Virginia (current 9 seed) = just cant have them beat NC st and UNC

LOL @ FLA shooting THIRTY 3's in this game...wow.

[kso_FAN]

So the teams we need to cheer against
1. New Mexico (current Lunardi 7 seed) =  won
2. SD ST (current 7 seed) =  won
3. Memphis (current 8 seed) =  won
4. Cincy (current 9 seed) = won   
5. Bama (current 8 seed) =   lost
6. Purdue (current 9 seed) = lost
7. Virginia (current 9 seed) = lost

We weren't helped yesterday. In the end it will come down to what the committee values and where quality wins falls on the list. I suppose it wouldn't hurt for Missouri to win the #big12 now; at least we have that sweep. I'd still say the 8/9 is most likely, but perhaps 8/9 with a favorable location (Omaha).

[MakeItRain]

All of this seed talk is so frustratingly stupid.  It's like 99% of college basketball fans are content with being ignorant of the process.  Looking at Lunardi's projection along with anyone else's and trying to project seeding for seeds 3-13 is ridiculous.  His projection doesn't take into account what happens if Marshall and/or Colorado wins today, there are a million other factors that effect seeding that make it impossible to know exactly who is where in the middle of the S-curve right now.

We could be an 11 on the S curve right now for all anyone knows.  Teeth knashing over potentially being an 8/9 is the biggest waste of time in the history of the internets.

[kso_FAN]

All of this seed talk is so frustratingly stupid.  It's like 99% of college basketball fans are content with being ignorant of the process.  Looking at Lunardi's projection along with anyone else's and trying to project seeding for seeds 3-13 is ridiculous.  His projection doesn't take into account what happens if Marshall and/or Colorado wins today, there are a million other factors that effect seeding that make it impossible to know exactly who is where in the middle of the S-curve right now.

We could be an 11 on the S curve right now for all anyone knows.  Teeth knashing over potentially being an 8/9 is the biggest waste of time in the history of the internets.

These posts of yours are annoying. If you don't want to discuss seeding, don't discuss it. Of course none of us know what we'll be and all of what you said is correct, but if we like to talk about it we aren't being stupid, we are being fans and discussing the process.

[Powercat Posse]

The seeding talk is not annoying to me.   Like FAN said, if you dont like the topic, dont freaking post on it.   
For me, it is fun to try and project the field and the seeds.  I enjoyed when Ksu was not in the discussion for the NCAA. 


Our chances definatly went down with Cincy pulling off the upset of Syracuse, and with NMexico and SDSU being in the MWC finals with one guarenteed to win it.    And Memphis is now on their way to winning C-Usa title

If we do end up getting a 7 seed.......... it will have A LOT to do with our 3 big wins and 6 top 50 wins.  I think our chances are now about 10% of getting a 7.   That said, i would thought our chances of getting a 5 seed last year were about 10% too.   

If we are in that 8 vs 9 game like it appears......... lets hope the first rd matchup is a decent one for us and just realize no matter who the 1 seed is, we are going to have to bring our A game to beat that team

[ChiComCat]

I am guessing we will be put at the lowest 7, but they will have to move us around because KU or MU will be the top 2.  Michigan St in the second round, hopefully Southern Miss in the first.

[MakeItRain]

There's nothing wrong with trying to project the field, the issue I have is speaking about middle of the pack seeds like they are set and one team winning a random game here and there are the only factors that go into seeding.  Want to talk about KSU's seed, I have no problem with that but if you do it don't sound like a simp who starts watching basketball in March.  Why not discuss other important factors like how many Big East bubble teams are going to get in and how the s curve will have to be manipulated to fit 10 teams from one conference?  Remember '08?  We were projected by bracketologists as an 7/8/9, but ended up as an 11 because the NCAA wanted another team in Omaha who was close.

My issue isn't with you two as much as I am with the whole discussion and the simplicity and disregard for the process.  We know enough to know this isn't how the committee works yet everywhere you turn you are bombarded with how this loss changes this about the bracket and this win changes that.  A freaking Miami vs. Florida State game on a Friday night of a conference quarter final isn't going to make the s curve move, it doesn't effect a body of work.

Of course you can discuss it, I'm not your dad, but discussing seeding in this manner is like using points per game to figure out who the best defensive teams are.

[MakeItRain]

The seeding talk is not annoying to me...

If we do end up getting a 7 seed.......... it will have A LOT to do with our 3 big wins and 6 top 50 wins.

Or they needed to move a team or teams to avoid matching up conference opponents in the second round, or to keep a team closer to home, or the s curve being moved so a team isn't playing on their home court, or to avoid a religious institution playing on whatever Sabbath they may have, etc.

I agree seeding talk isn't annoying, people refusing to acknowledge the actual process is.

[kso_FAN]

I understand the process. I look at all of that, but honestly I don't care that much about the process to discuss every scenario and every point. I choose to narrow my focus to the 2/3 seeds above us and below us, but I know there are other games around the country that factor in as well.

[MakeItRain]

I understand the process. I look at all of that, but honestly I don't care that much about the process to discuss every scenario and every point. I choose to narrow my focus to the 2/3 seeds above us and below us, but I know there are other games around the country that factor in as well.

I know you understand.  You agree that cheering for or against Memphis like it has a direct correlation to our seed it really simple though, right?

[kso_FAN]

I understand the process. I look at all of that, but honestly I don't care that much about the process to discuss every scenario and every point. I choose to narrow my focus to the 2/3 seeds above us and below us, but I know there are other games around the country that factor in as well.

I know you understand.  You agree that cheering for or against Memphis like it has a direct correlation to our seed it really simple though, right?

Extremely.

[MakeItRain]

I understand the process. I look at all of that, but honestly I don't care that much about the process to discuss every scenario and every point. I choose to narrow my focus to the 2/3 seeds above us and below us, but I know there are other games around the country that factor in as well.

I know you understand.  You agree that cheering for or against Memphis like it has a direct correlation to our seed it really simple though, right?

Extremely.

That was my only point and as I said it wasn't directly aimed at you but at the the thinking of many on the subject.  My rant was mainly born out of the fact that its almost difficult to find intelligent discourse on the subject outside of the CBS College Basketball podcast.  Sorry for the previous rambling rant.

I like your nitty gritty chart.

[Dr Rick Daris]

I understand the process. I look at all of that, but honestly I don't care that much about the process to discuss every scenario and every point. I choose to narrow my focus to the 2/3 seeds above us and below us, but I know there are other games around the country that factor in as well.

I know you understand.  You agree that cheering for or against Memphis like it has a direct correlation to our seed it really simple though, right?

obviously it's simple but it's something that can actually be discussed by people. things like how many teams the committee may or may not want in a certain town or having to move a team up or down so conference teams don't meet up is pretty much beyond hypothetical because it involves conversations which we aren't and won't be privy to. that memphis game or whatever is on tv. seems like i understand the people who want to talk about it. i'll personally pass, but i get it.

[MakeItRain]

I understand the process. I look at all of that, but honestly I don't care that much about the process to discuss every scenario and every point. I choose to narrow my focus to the 2/3 seeds above us and below us, but I know there are other games around the country that factor in as well.

I know you understand.  You agree that cheering for or against Memphis like it has a direct correlation to our seed it really simple though, right?

obviously it's simple but it's something that can actually be discussed by people. things like how many teams the committee may or may not want in a certain town or having to move a team up or down so conference teams don't meet up is pretty much beyond hypothetical because it involves conversations which we aren't and won't be privy to. that memphis game or whatever is on tv. seems like i understand the people who want to talk about it. i'll personally pass, but i get it.

I get people who think free throw percentage is a relevant stat, doesn't make the argument less absurd.

[ednksu]

at least seed selection is less absurd than bowl selection

[MakeItRain]

at least seed selection is less absurd than bowl selection

Interesting you bring that up, I was just thinking that the win automatically move up/lose automatically move down line of thinking stems from following the BCS.

[ednksu]

at least seed selection is less absurd than bowl selection

Interesting you bring that up, I was just thinking that the win automatically move up/lose automatically move down line of thinking stems from following the BCS.

I can see that.  The thing that sticks out in my head is the ridiculous way the BCS finally selects teams.  Ticket sales might influence where a seed goes, but I don't think it has a dramatic effect on the seed itself, with a spot or two (I think KSU/USC is an example here).  Whereas we know that BCS bowls have little to do with competitive reality when it actually comes to selections (Va-Tech/MU in Sugar).