Help FP TC etc land his dream job

[FP TC etc.]

So here's the deal, friends. I have a job and it pays pretty well and is in my field, but it's boring and I don't like it. (this is also my first real job)

A job that I would kill a homeless man for just opened up - here is my dilemma. I called the secretary and apparently an HR person is the one going through the applications, not the supervisor of the job I am applying for. However, I know who the person is that would be my supervisor.

Do I send the supervisor a cover letter and resume or just apply online like you are supposed to and not bother him?

I want to do whatever I can to get this job, but I don't want to annoy the supervisor and take myself completely out of the running.

goEMAW, you are in charge of my future. What do I do?

[pissclams]

send the hiring manager an email telling him you're interested and qualified, with a copy of your resume.  tell him you want to meet for 30 mins and discuss the job and what he's looking for, ask him if it would be ok to schedule something.  don't worry about the HR person.

[TheHamburglar]

Easy, apply for the job as normal. Take your resume to the supervisor and express your interest in the job. Tell him that you applied for the job and while telling him you are interest hit the highlights of what is on your cover letter.

[FP TC etc.]

send the hiring manager an email telling him you're interested and qualified, with a copy of your resume.  tell him you want to meet for 30 mins and discuss the job and what he's looking for, ask him if it would be ok to schedule something.  don't worry about the HR person.

Even though the "proper channel" would be to apply online?

[FP TC etc.]

Easy, apply for the job as normal. Take your resume to the supervisor and express your interest in the job. Tell him that you applied for the job and while telling him you are interest hit the highlights of what is on your cover letter.

This is pretty much what I was thinking of doing. Applying online and then sending the supervisor an email expressing my interest and briefly hitting on qualifications/asking to talk further.

I'm just nervous that sending him a personal email would annoy him  Maybe I'm over-thinking it.

[pissclams]

send the hiring manager an email telling him you're interested and qualified, with a copy of your resume.  tell him you want to meet for 30 mins and discuss the job and what he's looking for, ask him if it would be ok to schedule something.  don't worry about the HR person.

Even though the "proper channel" would be to apply online?

first meet w/ him/her to determine how good of a fit it is.  if it goes well, then apply online.  he'll reach out to the HR person and ensure you get pooled with the interviewing candidates. 

no reason to formally apply if you aren't a good candidate, and you're not going around the formal process in any way, just making an informed decision as to whether or not to post for the job.

[willie]

send the hiring manager an email telling him you're interested and qualified, with a copy of your resume.  tell him you want to meet for 30 mins and discuss the job and what he's looking for, ask him if it would be ok to schedule something.  don't worry about the HR person.

Even though the "proper channel" would be to apply online?

Do both.  You're not bothering the supervisor guy if you show interest in working for him (or her).  If he's a dick about it, you probably wouldn't want to work for him anyways.

If you want this job, be aggressive and go get that SOB.

Good luck!!

[FP TC etc.]

send the hiring manager an email telling him you're interested and qualified, with a copy of your resume.  tell him you want to meet for 30 mins and discuss the job and what he's looking for, ask him if it would be ok to schedule something.  don't worry about the HR person.

Even though the "proper channel" would be to apply online?

first meet w/ him/her to determine how good of a fit it is.  if it goes well, then apply online.  he'll reach out to the HR person and ensure you get pooled with the interviewing candidates. 

no reason to formally apply if you aren't a good candidate, and you're not going around the formal process in any way, just making an informed decision as to whether or not to post for the job.

BUT I AM A GOOD CANDIDATE! 

[FP TC etc.]

send the hiring manager an email telling him you're interested and qualified, with a copy of your resume.  tell him you want to meet for 30 mins and discuss the job and what he's looking for, ask him if it would be ok to schedule something.  don't worry about the HR person.

Even though the "proper channel" would be to apply online?

Do both.  You're not bothering the supervisor guy if you show interest in working for him (or her).  If he's a dick about it, you probably wouldn't want to work for him anyways.

If you want this job, be aggressive and go get that SOB.

Good luck!!

This is a good point. Thank you 

[TheHamburglar]

Easy, apply for the job as normal. Take your resume to the supervisor and express your interest in the job. Tell him that you applied for the job and while telling him you are interest hit the highlights of what is on your cover letter.

This is pretty much what I was thinking of doing. Applying online and then sending the supervisor an email expressing my interest and briefly hitting on qualifications/asking to talk further.

I'm just nervous that sending him a personal email would annoy him  Maybe I'm over-thinking it.

You are way overthinking it.  I'm with 'clams on how to handle it.  Send him an email say that you are interest in the job and would like 15-30 minutes of his time to talk about it.  You won't annoy him at all.  You may not get a response for a few days, but don't take it personal.  It's nothing more than that he will email you back when he has a timeframe of when he wants to talk to you.

[TheHamburglar]

Another peice of advice.  You have to tell your current boss your intentions before you do anything if you want to keep a good relationship with them.  If you have a good relationship with them and you believe they have a good relationship with the supervisor you want to work for you can work it to your advantage.  Frame it as it would be a great opportunity to grow your career with that company.  Do anything you can to keep your current boss in your corner.  If you don't inform them from the very beginning your potential new boss may be apprehensive about you because they don't want the image of stealling you or hurting another department.  When you meet with him he will ask you if your current boss knows of your aspirations, you need to be prepared to tell him "yes" honestly and hopefully you can honestly follow that up with "and they think this is an excellent opportunity for me as well."

[pissclams]

the only reason I suggest meeting w/ the hiring manager first, before applying, is because in some companies you can be looked down upon if you're applying for a bunch of jobs and not getting them. 

meeting first will give you an indication of how he feels about you as a candidate.  it really doesn't matter if you think you're a good fit. 

[FP TC etc.]

Another peice of advice.  You have to tell your current boss your intentions before you do anything if you want to keep a good relationship with them.  If you have a good relationship with them and you believe they have a good relationship with the supervisor you want to work for you can work it to your advantage.  Frame it as it would be a great opportunity to grow your career with that company.  Do anything you can to keep your current boss in your corner.  If you don't inform them from the very beginning your potential new boss may be apprehensive about you because they don't want the image of stealling you or hurting another department.  When you meet with him he will ask you if your current boss knows of your aspirations, you need to be prepared to tell him "yes" honestly and hopefully you can honestly follow that up with "and they think this is an excellent opportunity for me as well."

Already taken care of. I'm good friends with my current boss and he completely understands my situation.

the only reason I suggest meeting w/ the hiring manager first, before applying, is because in some companies you can be looked down upon if you're applying for a bunch of jobs and not getting them. 

meeting first will give you an indication of how he feels about you as a candidate.  it really doesn't matter if you think you're a good fit. 

Gotcha. I will consider this. What about the initial email? Should I use that opportunity to talk about my qualifications or keep that to a minimum?

[pissclams]

Hi (insert name),
I saw your recent job posting for the (insert position here) position and wanted to reach out to you and see if it would be ok to set up a quick meeting to discuss the position further.  I have extensive (insert experience here) within (insert company here) and have an interest in building further on that skillset.
Please let me know and I will set some time up.
Thanks!
FP TC etc

^i'd go something along these lines.  too long and he/she won't read it all.  include your resume so he/she can review.

[FP TC etc.]

Hi (insert name),
I saw your recent job posting for the (insert position here) position and wanted to reach out to you and see if it would be ok to set up a quick meeting to discuss the position further.  I have extensive (insert experience here) within (insert company here) and have an interest in building further on that skillset.
Please let me know and I will set some time up.
Thanks!
FP TC etc

^i'd go something along these lines.  too long and he/she won't read it all.  include your resume so he/she can review.

That seems a little informal to me. Could just be me over-thinking it again though. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

Hi (insert name),
I saw your recent job posting for the (insert position here) position and wanted to reach out to you and see if it would be ok to set up a quick meeting to discuss the position further.  I have extensive (insert experience here) within (insert company here) and have an interest in building further on that skillset.
Please let me know and I will set some time up.
Thanks!
FP TC etc

^i'd go something along these lines.  too long and he/she won't read it all.  include your resume so he/she can review.

That seems a little informal to me. Could just be me over-thinking it again though. 

It doesn't really need to be that formal, especially if you already know the supervisor. This is not your cover letter. This is just an email stating that you might be interested in the position, but you would like to discuss what the job entails first.

[FP TC etc.]

Hi (insert name),
I saw your recent job posting for the (insert position here) position and wanted to reach out to you and see if it would be ok to set up a quick meeting to discuss the position further.  I have extensive (insert experience here) within (insert company here) and have an interest in building further on that skillset.
Please let me know and I will set some time up.
Thanks!
FP TC etc

^i'd go something along these lines.  too long and he/she won't read it all.  include your resume so he/she can review.

That seems a little informal to me. Could just be me over-thinking it again though. 

It doesn't really need to be that formal, especially if you already know the supervisor. This is not your cover letter. This is just an email stating that you might be interested in the position, but you would like to discuss what the job entails first.

I don't know him, I just looked up who he is because the posting listed his position as the supervisor to the one I'm applying for.

[SdK]

I don't know jackshit about these things, but I have a lifetime of overthinking. It's best to pick out what you are going to do from the advice you have here and set your mind that way and keep thinking about how great that plan is going to be and how it is the best course of action.


You are clearly motivated and want the job, and that's why you are overthinking. You want to do well. Go look in the mirror, compliment yourself, build yourself up, reflect on your biggest accomplishments and go fire up that email. The hardest part is doing something, once it's done, it's done. Find the best version of yourself, present it in the best manner you can, and go get that rough ridin' job.


Also, I vote for pissclams advice.

[FP TC etc.]

I don't know jackshit about these things, but I have a lifetime of overthinking. It's best to pick out what you are going to do from the advice you have here and set your mind that way and keep thinking about how great that plan is going to be and how it is the best course of action.


You are clearly motivated and want the job, and that's why you are overthinking. You want to do well. Go look in the mirror, compliment yourself, build yourself up, reflect on your biggest accomplishments and go fire up that email. The hardest part is doing something, once it's done, it's done. Find the best version of yourself, present it in the best manner you can, and go get that rough ridin' job.


Also, I vote for pissclams advice.

I just don't want to mess this up 

Come on Donaghy. You've skied Mount St. Helen's, made eye contact with Michelle Bachman, been trapped under a boulder for 128 hours, you're not scared of anything.

[Bloodfart]

Can some one make a flow chart so he doesn't mess this crap up. 

[FP TC etc.]

Can some one make a flow chart so he doesn't mess this crap up. 

I'm not really a "chart guy" 

[Rage Against the McKee]

I don't know jackshit about these things, but I have a lifetime of overthinking. It's best to pick out what you are going to do from the advice you have here and set your mind that way and keep thinking about how great that plan is going to be and how it is the best course of action.


You are clearly motivated and want the job, and that's why you are overthinking. You want to do well. Go look in the mirror, compliment yourself, build yourself up, reflect on your biggest accomplishments and go fire up that email. The hardest part is doing something, once it's done, it's done. Find the best version of yourself, present it in the best manner you can, and go get that rough ridin' job.


Also, I vote for pissclams advice.

I just don't want to mess this up 

Come on Donaghy. You've skied Mount St. Helen's, made eye contact with Michelle Bachman, been trapped under a boulder for 128 hours, you're not scared of anything.

You won't mess anything up by asking the supervisor for 15 minutes of his time to talk about the position. He will respect you for valuing his time and yours by making sure the position would be a good fit before you take the time to apply and make him take the time to review your application.

[SdK]

You can't mess it up. If you are the right person for the job, you will get the job. Everything you do, good and bad, is a reflection of you. No matter what course of action you take, you are representing yourself and being yourself. If that is attractive to your prospective employer, you can't mess that up.


I think the only way you can mess it up is by straying from you are and doing things that you wouldn't normally do. Whether that be pussyfooting around and not show too much ambition because you don't want to take yourself out of the running, or by being overly aggressive when that is not your style.


You've already got a job, so this isn't do or die. It's one opportunity of many. I'm sure will do well.

[FP TC etc.]

Awh, geez, you guys 

[hemmy]

Whatever you do, don't wear a suit to the interview.