Military Option in Syria

[LickNeckey]

McCain says "yes please!"

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Such a humanitarian.
 

[massofcatfan]

on recent episode of "The Good Wife," lesbian blogger from Syria "Pink Damascus" was outed as male KU grad living in Kansas by the "Rock Chalk" pillow on his couch 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-harnick/the-good-wife-live-from-damascus-recap_b_1276529.html

[felix rex]

We are going to JSOC the eff out of their faces

[kstatefreak42]

We are broke.

[felix rex]

We are broke.

We are going to JSOC the eff out of their faces

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Iran:

On Iran, Obama assails Republican candidates for ‘beating the drums of war’

President Barack Obama on Tuesday bluntly accused Republican White House hopefuls of recklessly "beating the drums of war" against Iran for political gain while ignoring the potential human costs of such a conflict.

"Some of these folks have a lot of bluster and a lot of big talk," he said scornfully at his first White House press conference of 2012, but "those folks don't have a lot of responsibilities. They're not commander in chief."

"The one thing that we have not done is: We haven't launched a war. If some of these folks think that it's time to launch a war, they should say so. And they should explain to the American people exactly why they would do that and what the consequences would be," he said. "Everything else is just talk."

Republican presidential candidates, led by Mitt Romney, have redoubled their attacks on Obama's handling of Iran's nuclear program in recent days, with the former Massachusetts governor acidly declaring that "hope is not a foreign policy" and branding the incumbent Democrat "America's most feckless president since (Jimmy) Carter."

Asked what he would like to say to Romney, Obama replied: "Good luck tonight!"—an obvious reference to the Super Tuesday voting in 10 states. A reporter drily called out "Really?" Obama grinned and replied: "Really!"

But that was a rare moment of humor in what was otherwise a stern, bordering on angry, response from Obama.

"When I see the casualness with which some of these folks talk about war, I'm reminded of the costs involved in war. I'm reminded of the decision that I have to make to send in terms of sending our young men and women into battle, and the impact that has on their lives, the impact it has on our national security, the impact it has on our economy," he said.

"This is not a game. There is nothing casual about it," Obama said, charging that his Republican critics cared "more about politics than trying to solve a difficult problem."

"Those who are suggesting, or proposing, or beating the drums of war should explain clearly to the American people what they think the costs and benefits would be. I'm not one of those people," Obama said.

Romney has not called for immediate military action, but has repeatedly criticized Obama over his approach to getting Iran to freeze its nuclear program, which major world powers charge is a covert way for Tehran to obtain an atomic weapon. Iran denies the accusation. Other Republican contenders have leveled similar attacks.

Romney has charged that Obama has not done enough to hammer home to Iran that warnings about possible future military action are credible, and accused him of not making it clear that the United States will stand with Israel.

Obama, who met Monday with visiting Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, repeated that he believed "we have a window through which we can resolve this issue peacefully."

"This notion that somehow we have a choice to make in the next week, or two weeks, or month or to months is not borne out by the facts," he said.

LOL, wtf is he talking about?  I assume the teleprompter went down and Obamabot went haywire [robot voice] "Obamabot does not compute, commence buzzword database dump:  national security, economy . . . malfunction" 

It sounds like he's arguing against his 2008 campaign, "it's all just a bunch of talk" "they need to lay out their specific plans" "this job is more complicated than it looks"

 

[felix rex]

I am pretty much coldly pragmatic when it comes to foreign policy. It is not a side of me that other people find endearing and some people find uncomfortable. But it is also a reason that I am a fan of a lot of what Obama does (or, more accurately, what he allows to be done or doesn't want to ask about). It is also not easy to clearly discuss with a squeamish press and electorate that wants a palatable "black box" solution to achieve our objectives.

[LickNeckey]

I would wildly cheer our handling of our military engaements to this point.

it seems to me that we have achieved a great deal (dismantling Al-Qaeda, cessation of operations in Iraq, removal of Qadafi, support of Syrian insurgency) with far less money and far less political and social collateral damage being done.

[Bookcat]

the government has not and will not admit that Iraq was a mistake...as is Afghanistan which is why B.O. is such an idiot for keeping our boys over there..

and now we're eyeing Syria and Iran. Wow. Takes brass. We dont' really have a say in it anyway so lets hit the red button and get some sleep.


Anyone who thinks its a good idea to attack Iran either has :

1. no child or relative serving
2. isn't going to enlist because of it

[Bookcat]

I would wildly cheer our handling of our military engaements to this point.

it seems to me that we have achieved a great deal (dismantling Al-Qaeda, cessation of operations in Iraq, removal of Qadafi, support of Syrian insurgency) with far less money and far less political and social collateral damage being done.

Translation:  The installing of the Muslim Brotherhood, the use of CIA backed mercs to overthrow stable governments and replace those stable governments with, who knows?  Is all perfectly fine .  .  . as long as a Democrat is President.

The new litmus test for liberal support of war is, "well, as long as it's not Iraq or Afghanistan, I don't care what the president does without Congressional approval or oversight".   

Listen to the hypocrisy.

I call B.S.

Operations in Iraq have dwindled to, what, a few thousand troops? But our liberal president is still the hypocrite? You are batshit if you think I support B.O. and his insistence on keeping those conflicts going. Its a losing battle to say "we're going to train the Afghani's then we're out" Really? How did that work in Iraq? A cluster..

Also, be sure to discredit any and all of the CIA's work in Abottabad.  On that note/topic, Hannity is good comedy these days.

[Bookcat]

I don't listen to Hannity, never have, never will.

Book, I know you're dumb, but the hyprocrisy comment is in regards to Liberals.   Who can forget all the Liberal Wonks making the rounds on the talk show circuit a few years back wringing their hands about "blow back" and such.   Now the same folks are all for the nameless, faceless operations that blow up mud huts from 40,000 feet.

Look at you cheerleading the "CIA's Work", under anyone but a liberal president, you'd be going out of your mind.

Yeah, the operations in Iraq by uniformed regular military personnel has dwindled to nothing.   Replaced by State's own private army, with Robert Ford types running it, who "trained" under the wing of Dr. Death Squad himself  John Negroponte. 

It's great to see some the same CIA mercs that they flew into Libya, showing up in Syria . . . as long as a Democrat is president that is.

I think we're all hypocrites if you ask me...and our President reflects that. Don't be bitter than Bush didn't have the time to kill Osama. I still think he would/could have but it just happend to be on Panetta's watch.

Sure the left wingers are going to throw up the "we got Osama" signs but that is easy to attack for anyone dumbass in the Tea Party. And there are lots. Wow. The crap they believe is tremendously funny/scary.

I want a complete drawdown in Iraq and Afghanistan..and enough with the B.S. about Syria.

So, now that you don't have the "hypocrite" knee jerk post you know and love, what else ya got? how 'bout sissy...since I dont' want our country to fight everyone like some drunk frat boy in Rusty's.?

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I'm pretty unclear as to how B.O. foreign war hegemony is different than Bush. I mean the screams of "murderer" from the left are gone, we're now actually engaged in illegal wars and the civil rights of enemy combatants (and those standing within a 50 mile radius of an EC when he's incinerated from 40000 ft, without due process) are gone.  . . well I change my mind, I can see why it's different. 

Just confused how the left can support it, based on their pre B.O. "principles "

[LickNeckey]

The same way the right can now hate it I guess?

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The same way the right can now hate it I guess?

Duh. Only the Paulites and libertarians "get it "