Last 5 road games

[Powercat Posse]

40-79 3pt,  50.6%   

12-17
6-9
7-20
8-21
7-12

[kougar24]

40-79 3pt,  50.6%   

12-17
6-9
7-20
8-21
7-12

It's clear the Briggs tarp is a huge distraction to the boys.

[Dugout DickStone]

There is no explanation, no matter how high your bbiq.

[michigancat]

There is no explanation, no matter how high your bbiq.

The explanation is that three point shooting is a lottery...

...that we are winning (on the road).

[Powercat Posse]

Since right before we went out to Hawaii (21 games since then)

Gruds 37-81 (45.7%)
Angel 25-64 (39.1%)
Tay 13-28  ( 46.4%)
Spradling 29-90 (32.2%) --- and this thread not intended to rag on Will.  Just showing what our shooters are doing
 Samuels 14-42 (33.3%)

And the 12 games away from the OOD
Gruds 22-46 (47.8%)
Angel 16-36 (44.4%)
Tay 9-16 (56.2%)
Spradling 17-51 (33.3%)
Samuels 9-20 (45.0%)

So those 5 are 73-169 (43.2%) away from home last 12 games.   Did not include Shane or Jones in this because Shane doesnt shoot many and Jones has been hurt.

[kso_FAN]

Here are the home/road adv stats for the Big 12 season.



Most glaring difference home/away is our first half shooting. Nearly 5% better on the road. Also worse o-boarding at home in the first half. FT rate difference home/away is not a surprise.

[schreds21]

There is no explanation, no matter how high your bbiq.

The explanation is that three point shooting is a lottery...

...that we are winning (on the road).

FOOLS GOLD!!!

[mocat]

Here's something weird to munch on: if you look at RPI, K-State's 3 best HOME victories are:

1. Missouri
2. Texas
3. Charleston Southern 

[steve dave]

Here's something weird to munch on: if you look at RPI, K-State's 3 best HOME victories are:

1. Missouri
2. Texas
3. Charleston Southern 

 

[kso_FAN]

Home Big 12 3PT shooting: 28.3%
Road Big 12 3PT shooting: 38.8%

Home Big 12 2PT shooting: 57.4%
Road Big 12 2PT shooting: 55.1%

Home Big 12 3PT attempts: 15.9
Road Big 12 3PT attempts: 16.9

Shooting from three is 10% better on the road is just strange. And the closest explanation is Rusty's.

EDIT: Error in original calculations; actually 28.3% at home.

[Winters]

Here's something weird to munch on: if you look at RPI, K-State's 3 best HOME victories are:

1. Missouri
2. Texas
3. Charleston Southern 

 

Always knew that was a good win!

[JKEYS]

Since right before we went out to Hawaii (21 games since then)

Gruds 37-81 (45.7%)
Angel 25-64 (39.1%)
Tay 13-28  ( 46.4%)
Spradling 29-90 (32.2%) --- and this thread not intended to rag on Will.  Just showing what our shooters are doing
 Samuels 14-42 (33.3%)

And the 12 games away from the OOD
Gruds 22-46 (47.8%)
Angel 16-36 (44.4%)
Tay 9-16 (56.2%)
Spradling 17-51 (33.3%)
Samuels 9-20 (45.0%)

So those 5 are 73-169 (43.2%) away from home last 12 games.   Did not include Shane or Jones in this because Shane doesnt shoot many and Jones has been hurt.

So...we're better off with Jam-Sam shooting 3's than Will? 

[Winters]

Here's something weird to munch on: if you look at RPI, K-State's 3 best HOME victories are:

1. Missouri
2. Texas
3. Charleston Southern 

Also, goes to show how much we have sucked at home.

[Powercat Posse]

1st half defense on the road.  43 eFG%.   Sweet.   

Only Ku had higher than 50 eFG% on us in the 1st half.    The other true road game (VT) our 1st half D was good too

Home losses by 2,3,4,6....... would have been nice to see the 3Pt shooting be better at home.

[mocat]

Here's something weird to munch on: if you look at RPI, K-State's 3 best HOME victories are:

1. Missouri
2. Texas
3. Charleston Southern 

Also, goes to show how much we have sucked at home.

If we were undefeated at home, Charleston Southern would be our 7th best home win

[kougar24]

Since right before we went out to Hawaii (21 games since then)

Gruds 37-81 (45.7%)
Angel 25-64 (39.1%)
Tay 13-28  ( 46.4%)
Spradling 29-90 (32.2%) --- and this thread not intended to rag on Will.  Just showing what our shooters are doing
 Samuels 14-42 (33.3%)

And the 12 games away from the OOD
Gruds 22-46 (47.8%)
Angel 16-36 (44.4%)
Tay 9-16 (56.2%)
Spradling 17-51 (33.3%)
Samuels 9-20 (45.0%)

So those 5 are 73-169 (43.2%) away from home last 12 games.   Did not include Shane or Jones in this because Shane doesnt shoot many and Jones has been hurt.

Tay...goodness.

[kso_FAN]

The Octagon of Bad 3 Point Shooting?



After finding that we have shot 10% better from 3 on the road this year compared to at home, I looked back at the last 5 years to see if there was any trend. We have shot worse at home 3 of the last 4 years, and this year is the 2nd year of the last 3 where we shot worse than 30% at home. Last year we were really good shooting 3 point shots at home though. Granted, I don't know if any of those are really trends; if anything it probably gives more evidence to kenpom's "3 point shooting is a lottery" discussion of late.

[kougar24]

The Octagon of Bad 3 Point Shooting?



After finding that we have shot 10% better from 3 on the road this year compared to at home, I looked back at the last 5 years to see if there was any trend. We have shot worse at home 3 of the last 4 years, and this year is the 2nd year of the last 3 where we shot worse than 30% at home. Last year we were really good shooting 3 point shots at home though. Granted, I don't know if any of those are really trends; if anything it probably gives more evidence to kenpom's "3 point shooting is a lottery" discussion of late.

I BLAME THE TARP.

[Powercat Posse]

Yikes, i cant believe we were that bad at home in 09-10.   26.7%  is just awful.   And we were shooting 20 per game, meening we were only making just over 5 per game.

Unless Shane improves his 3..... he really doesnt need to be taking any 3s next year.   So between Gruds-Angel-Will-Tay-Jones, we should be a decent 3 pt shooting team next year.   

[kougar24]

Why does everyone assume Will will be a good 3PT shooter next year? As far as I'm concerned, he's been bad as nearly as much as he's been "just okay," and never great.

I think his future as a shooter is a complete unknown.

[michigancat]

Why does everyone assume Will will be a good 3PT shooter next year? As far as I'm concerned, he's been bad as nearly as much as he's been "just okay," and never great.

I think his future as a shooter is a complete unknown.

his ft shooting is still high:

http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/back_in_the_lab/

[Powercat Posse]

I have my doubts he will ever be a great shooter.    Last year from Big 12 play thru our NCAA tourney games, he shot 34.7% from 3.  In the non con this year he was 23-51.      He was 10-20 in our 4 toughest non con games (WV, Beach, Bama, at VT).   

So Big12/NCAAs of 2011 and non con of this year =  39.0% (31 games).   In those same games he shot 50.8% from 2pt. (33.3 in B12 this yr)   

I am hopeful his shooting slump wont carry over to his junior year.   I think he is capable of being a 40% 3pt, 50% 2pt, 85% FT guy for us next year.     

[kougar24]

Why does everyone assume Will will be a good 3PT shooter next year? As far as I'm concerned, he's been bad as nearly as much as he's been "just okay," and never great.

I think his future as a shooter is a complete unknown.

his ft shooting is still high:

http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/back_in_the_lab/

Seems to be a weak correlation at best.

[michigancat]

Why does everyone assume Will will be a good 3PT shooter next year? As far as I'm concerned, he's been bad as nearly as much as he's been "just okay," and never great.

I think his future as a shooter is a complete unknown.

his ft shooting is still high:

http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/back_in_the_lab/

Seems to be a weak correlation at best.

Still, it's a correlation. He also shot OK last season.

[sys]

Seems to be a weak correlation at best.

Still, it's a correlation. He also shot OK last season.

it's by far the best means of evaluating how well a player can shoot, or has the potential to shoot.