Resume of teams (teams in the mix for 7-9 seeds) Updated 3-4-12

[Pete]

I sure as hell hope they ignore conference vs noncon and correctly look at it as one.

I think we need to win two to get out of an 8-9 game.

I'd rather be the 12 than an 8-9.  HATE those 8-9 games, just trash.

[kso_FAN]

I sure as hell hope they ignore conference vs noncon and correctly look at it as one.

I think we need to win two to get out of an 8-9 game.

I'd rather be the 12 than an 8-9.  HATE those 8-9 games, just trash.

IMHO, if we win two we'll be a 6 (at least) because that would (likely) mean a win vs KU.

[buttsbuttsbutts]

I sure as hell hope they ignore conference vs noncon and correctly look at it as one.

I think we need to win two to get out of an 8-9 game.

I'd rather be the 12 than an 8-9.  HATE those 8-9 games, just trash.

IMHO, if we win two we'll be a 6 (at least) because that would (likely) mean a win vs KU.

if we win two we're winning three.

[Pete]

I sure as hell hope they ignore conference vs noncon and correctly look at it as one.

I think we need to win two to get out of an 8-9 game.

I'd rather be the 12 than an 8-9.  HATE those 8-9 games, just trash.

IMHO, if we win two we'll be a 6 (at least) because that would (likely) mean a win vs KU.

if we win two we're winning three.

The problem is that they will have their slotting done before Saturday night.

[mcmwcat]

i would have ksu on the 7 line right now.  a win over Baylor and there's no doubt ksu is at worst a 7 seed. 

just imo (biased).  we would crush all those teams

[Cartierfor3]

I sure as hell hope they ignore conference vs noncon and correctly look at it as one.

I think we need to win two to get out of an 8-9 game.

I'd rather be the 12 than an 8-9.  HATE those 8-9 games, just trash.

IMHO, if we win two we'll be a 6 (at least) because that would (likely) mean a win vs KU.

if we win two we're winning three.

The problem is that they will have their slotting done before Saturday night.

I miss the ku butthurt that would inevitably happen when they won the 'ship on Sunday and then didn't move up in the seeding.  Wish it was still Thurs-Sun. 

[Pete]

i would have ksu on the 7 line right now.  a win over Baylor and there's no doubt ksu is at worst a 7 seed. 

just imo (biased).  we would crush all those teams

We have more bad losses than any of the 7s on that list....scares me

[Trim]

Give us 11 and Omaha.

[Cartierfor3]

Give us 11 and Omaha.

and no Wisconsin

[kso_FAN]

i would have ksu on the 7 line right now.  a win over Baylor and there's no doubt ksu is at worst a 7 seed. 

just imo (biased).  we would crush all those teams

We have more bad losses than any of the 7s on that list....scares me

But we also have more quality wins. The only thing that really looks bad for us is our OOC SOS. Still, I think most committee people would respect wins over Alabama and the Beach.

[slimz]

Don't forget there may be a line or two in play depending on where they send us/where other Big 12 teams are.

[kso_FAN]

USA Today on the RPI:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/ncaa-tournament-2012-is-it-time-to-say-rip-to-the-rpi/2012/03/03/gIQA9M5YrR_story.html

Most of the well known bracketologists have us as an 8:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/andy_glockner/03/05/Bracket.Watch/index.html

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

[Powercat Posse]

Our big positives are the 1) 3 big wins vs MU, BU 2) Good non con of 11-1 with 2 wins over top 40 teams bama and beach 3) 9-5 record away from home

Our 2 losses to OU hurt, but everyone has 1 bad loss and some have 2.    Our other 7 losses could be to NCAA tourney teams with Texas being the worst loss and their RPI is like 52.

We beat Baylor and we are gonna be at least a 7.  There is even a shot we could be on that 6 line (25-30% chance IMO).   If we beat Baylor, then we can talk about the Ku game, but i am not gonna talk about that until we take of Baylor first

   

[Powercat Posse]

Even we are an 8 right now in the minds of the NCAA committee........ the 4 teams on the 7 line and even Gonzaga at a 6 .......... those teams are not much ahead of us.   

Gonzaga -   No big time wins.  Best win right now is Notre Dame who is on the 5/6 seed line.    West Coast Conf is rated 11th and they finished 2nd. Even with a win tonight over  St Marys, i would be surprised to see them as a 6.  7/8 seed IMO

Memphis - Their SOS is very good at 18.   But they lost all 5 non con games vs the top 40.   Best non con win is Miami.    They went 13-3 in Conf USA (9th ranked conf)

N mexico/ SD St --   Very similar resumes.   But N Mexico did little in the non con.  1 nice win vs St Louis, but a loss to RPI 299 Santa Clara.
The top 4 teams in the Mt West (SDSU, NM, UNLV, ColoSt) all went 3-3 vs each other, so none of these teams really dominated the league

Creighton -  Some decent non con wins over the beach, at SD St, Northwestern.   17-4 total in the MVC but Wich St is only other good team in that league and they split with them.   Winning the conf tourney probably has them on the 7 line for now.

[MakeItRain]

well that's not fair. 

The criteria for home vs neutral in the RPI when the game isn't at your actual home court is whether or not the ticket office of the team in question handles the ticket sales. If the ticket sales are handled by the K-State's ticket office, then it is a home game in the RPI.

There shouldn't be a distinction between the KC and Wichita games as far as the RPI sees them.  For both games the athletic department and the venue sold tickets to the games.  Also the way I understood is it counts as a home game if the ticket is a part of the season ticket package, not who sold the ticket.  There are many many schools who use ticketmaster as their ticket distributor.

[kso_FAN]

well that's not fair. 

The criteria for home vs neutral in the RPI when the game isn't at your actual home court is whether or not the ticket office of the team in question handles the ticket sales. If the ticket sales are handled by the K-State's ticket office, then it is a home game in the RPI.

There shouldn't be a distinction between the KC and Wichita games as far as the RPI sees them.  For both games the athletic department and the venue sold tickets to the games.  Also the way I understood is it counts as a home game if the ticket is a part of the season ticket package, not who sold the ticket.  There are many many schools who use ticketmaster as their ticket distributor.

Yeah, I meant your part about season tickets. At least it used to be.

[MakeItRain]

Yeah, neither were STH games so both are neutral site games.

[kso_FAN]

Yeah, neither were STH games so both are neutral site games.

But the issue is the NCAA is considering Alabama as a home game because our official record for the RPI is 3-1. It has to have something to do with how tickets are sold if its not a STH game.

http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa_mens_basketball_rpi

[MakeItRain]

It doesn't make any since, someone messed up, the tickets were sold exactly the same for both games.  This was also the return game in a neutral court series with Alabama.  If this mattered and we were close I would hope the athletic department would email someone about this, as it stands it doesn't matter a bit.

[michigancat]

hey guys we're in

[kso_FAN]

hey guys we're in

#toocoolforschool

[michigancat]

hey guys we're in

#toocoolforschool

u digg

[kso_FAN]

It doesn't make any since, someone messed up, the tickets were sold exactly the same for both games.  This was also the return game in a neutral court series with Alabama.  If this mattered and we were close I would hope the athletic department would email someone about this, as it stands it doesn't matter a bit.

http://kstatesports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/090711aab.html

It's interesting, the sales weren't exactly the same, but similar. I'm sure there is some ridiculous NCAA rule that makes Wichita home and KC neutral.

[kso_FAN]

Leave it to the NCAA (info on home/road/neutral):

Home/Away/Neutral Site Games
The following guidelines and examples are for regular-season and postseason contests.
Team A is playing Team B. For results and the Rating Percentage Index (RPI), the game is considered a "home" game for Team A and an "away" game for Team B if the site of the contest:
• is the regular home site for Team A. Example: The Tennessee baseball team is hosting a tournament and is listed as the visitor for its game with Ball State. It is considered a home game for Tennessee since it is still the Vols' home field.
• is in the same city or a reasonable distance within the metropolitan area of Team A, and its opponent, Team B, is from outside the metro area. Example: The Butler women's basketball team has scheduled a home game with Tennessee and wants to move to a larger arena to accommodate an expected larger crowd. The game is moved to Conseco Fieldhouse, which is still in the same metro area as Butler and just a few miles away. It still is considered Butler's home game.
• is in the same city or a reasonable distance within the metropolitan area of both teams and one team, Team A, is designated as the home team and includes the game in its season-ticket package. Example: The College of Charleston men's basketball team is playing host to Charleston Southern. The game is moved to a larger arena to accommodate an expected larger crowd. The game is played in the North Charleston Coliseum, which is still in the same metro area of both teams. It is considered the College of Charleston's home game since it is designated as such and is included in the season-ticket package. This game is not included in the Charleston Southern season-ticket package. In fact, the College of Charleston and Charleston Southern meet every year and rotate which team is the designated home team and includes the game in its season-ticket package. If both or neither team includes this game in its season-ticket package, then the game would be a neutral site game for both teams is in the same area of Team A and Team A plays some or several "home" games there each season. Oftentimes these games are included in the season ticket package offered by the school. Example: The Connecticut men's basketball team plays some of its home games in its hometown of Storrs; however, the Huskies play most of their games in nearby Hartford. Both sites are considered home sites.
• is in a city close by Team A and Team A designates the game as a "home" game that will count in its home attendance. The game is also included in the season ticket package offered by the school. Example: Ole Miss men's basketball team plays a game every two to three years in Tupelo, Mississippi, which is 48 miles away from Oxford. Ole Miss always counts it as a home game and includes the game in its season home attendance.
• is a temporary “home” site while the regular home site for Team A is being renovated. Example: McGaw Hall on the Northwestern campus is being renovated, which forces the Northwestern basketball teams to move all their home games from Evanston to nearby Chicago and play in DePaul’s home arena. These games are considered home games for Northwestern since that is where the Wildcats are playing their scheduled home games during the renovation.
• is a nearby temporary emergency site while the regular home site for Team A is being repaired. Example: Owensboro Sportscenter at Kentucky Wesleyan was damaged in a tornado. This forces Kentucky Wesleyan to move its basketball home game with Southern Indiana to a nearby high school gymnasium while the Sportscenter is being repaired. Since this game was played in a nearby temporary set-up, it is still considered a home game for Kentucky Wesleyan. However, if no area arenas or gymnasiums are available and the game is moved the 40 miles away to Southern Indiana’s home court, then the game is now considered a home game for Southern Indiana.
Team A is playing Team B. For results and RPIs, the game is considered a "neutral site" game for both teams if the site of the contest:
• is at another school that is hosting a tournament. Example: The Kansas State women’s volleyball team is hosting a tournament. Arizona and Texas A&M play each other in a match in Manhattan. It's a neutral site match for both teams.
• is at another school that is hosting a tournament, even though Team A is from the same metro area as the host school and Team B is not. Example: The Temple women's lacrosse team is hosting a tournament and Villanova plays a game against Auburn. Although Temple and Villanova are both in Philadelphia, since Temple is hosting the tournament on its campus site, only games involving Temple would have a home site. All other games would be counted as neutral sites.
• is in the same city or metropolitan area of both teams and is not the home site for either team. Example: The Temple women's basketball team is playing Villanova and the game is being played in the Spectrum. The Spectrum is in Philadelphia and is not the regular home site for either team even though both teams are from Philadelphia. It's a neutral site game for both teams. The only exception is if Temple was scheduled to host the game and decided to move it to the Spectrum (a larger arena) to accommodate an expected larger crowd. Then it is Temple's home game and Villanova's away game.
• is not in the metropolitan area for either team. Example: The city of Denver is the site for a softball game between Southern Colorado of Pueblo and Air Force of Colorado Springs. It's a neutral site game for both teams.
Since the determination of home/away and neutral site games can sometimes be a complicated issue, a school can appeal to the NCAA for exceptions to the rule.
• Example: Butler is playing Indiana in men’s basketball at Conseco Fieldhouse. By all indications this should be a home game for Butler since the arena is located in the same city (Indianapolis) as Butler and just a few miles from the campus. IU is in Bloomington, which is 47 miles away from Indianapolis. However, it was IU which contracted the game with Butler and rented the arena, and IU’s conference, the Big Ten, which assigned the game officials. The game was not a part of either team’s season ticket package, but was included as an option with the season tickets for priority purchasing for that game by both teams. In this case, the game will be designated as a neutral site game.
• Sometimes a team’s large fan base could come into play. If a school moves its game to a larger arena or stadium still within its home city to accommodate for an anticipated larger crowd because of the opponent school’s large fan base within that city, the game could be counted as a neutral site game.
• For Division I men’s basketball starting with the 2007-08 season, consideration is given to who controlled the game tickets, who hired the referees and other game officials, the game’s inclusion on a season ticket package, and so on.
For purposes of attendance, some games considered home and away in the RPI may be switched to neutral site games, and vice versa.

[catzacker]

hey guys we're in

i'm going to enjoy my time off.