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[mocat]

Really surprised our RPI is that low.  Then again, I don't even know how the hell RPI works, and haven't checked is since last season probably.  All I know is they say it is used to group teams as "quality win, etc." and not really a way to actually rank the teams individually.  Still weird to think of KSU not being thought of as a quality win.

Seth Davis explains how it works in his stupid attempt to defend it. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/seth_davis/02/20/Hoop.Thoughts/index.html

Who was it on here that hates Seth Davis as much as me? MIR, was that you?

[kso_FAN]

Really surprised our RPI is that low.  Then again, I don't even know how the hell RPI works, and haven't checked is since last season probably.  All I know is they say it is used to group teams as "quality win, etc." and not really a way to actually rank the teams individually.  Still weird to think of KSU not being thought of as a quality win.

Seth Davis explains how it works in his stupid attempt to defend it. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/seth_davis/02/20/Hoop.Thoughts/index.html

Who was it on here that hates Seth Davis as much as me? MIR, was that you?

I used to be pretty indifferent, but to actually say "believe it or not, sometimes the less efficient team still ends up with more points" is just mindboggling to me.

[michigancat]

Really surprised our RPI is that low.  Then again, I don't even know how the hell RPI works, and haven't checked is since last season probably.  All I know is they say it is used to group teams as "quality win, etc." and not really a way to actually rank the teams individually.  Still weird to think of KSU not being thought of as a quality win.

It's mind-boggling logic. "Oh, we don't use it to rank YOU, silly. We only use it to rank the teams you play and put them in groups. And you when you're on other teams' schedules."

How can it be good for one thing and not the other?

[michigancat]

Really surprised our RPI is that low.  Then again, I don't even know how the hell RPI works, and haven't checked is since last season probably.  All I know is they say it is used to group teams as "quality win, etc." and not really a way to actually rank the teams individually.  Still weird to think of KSU not being thought of as a quality win.

Seth Davis explains how it works in his stupid attempt to defend it. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/seth_davis/02/20/Hoop.Thoughts/index.html

Who was it on here that hates Seth Davis as much as me? MIR, was that you?

I used to be pretty indifferent, but to actually say "believe it or not, sometimes the less efficient team still ends up with more points" is just mindboggling to me.

he might be referring to a team ranked lower in kenpom ratings (less efficient) beating a team ranked higher? dunno, just giving him the benefit of the doubt, which I probably shouldn't.

[Trim]

Lots of math talk on today's CBS college hoops podcast.  Around 12 minutes in, one of them says EMAW's RPI and the RPI in general is mumped up.

link

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[mocat]

Really surprised our RPI is that low.  Then again, I don't even know how the hell RPI works, and haven't checked is since last season probably.  All I know is they say it is used to group teams as "quality win, etc." and not really a way to actually rank the teams individually.  Still weird to think of KSU not being thought of as a quality win.

Seth Davis explains how it works in his stupid attempt to defend it. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/seth_davis/02/20/Hoop.Thoughts/index.html

Who was it on here that hates Seth Davis as much as me? MIR, was that you?

I used to be pretty indifferent, but to actually say "believe it or not, sometimes the less efficient team still ends up with more points" is just mindboggling to me.

he might be referring to a team ranked lower in kenpom ratings (less efficient) beating a team ranked higher? dunno, just giving him the benefit of the doubt, which I probably shouldn't.

Even if that's what he meant, it's like, oh really seth davis? you mean upsets can happen sometimes? gmafb 

[kso_FAN]

Really surprised our RPI is that low.  Then again, I don't even know how the hell RPI works, and haven't checked is since last season probably.  All I know is they say it is used to group teams as "quality win, etc." and not really a way to actually rank the teams individually.  Still weird to think of KSU not being thought of as a quality win.

Seth Davis explains how it works in his stupid attempt to defend it. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/seth_davis/02/20/Hoop.Thoughts/index.html

Who was it on here that hates Seth Davis as much as me? MIR, was that you?

I used to be pretty indifferent, but to actually say "believe it or not, sometimes the less efficient team still ends up with more points" is just mindboggling to me.

he might be referring to a team ranked lower in kenpom ratings (less efficient) beating a team ranked higher? dunno, just giving him the benefit of the doubt, which I probably shouldn't.

Even if that's what he meant, it's like, oh really seth davis? you mean upsets can happen sometimes? gmafb 

Yeah, I think that's what kenpom was referring to in his response to me. It just makes it slighlty less dumb.

[MakeItRain]

Really surprised our RPI is that low.  Then again, I don't even know how the hell RPI works, and haven't checked is since last season probably.  All I know is they say it is used to group teams as "quality win, etc." and not really a way to actually rank the teams individually.  Still weird to think of KSU not being thought of as a quality win.

Seth Davis explains how it works in his stupid attempt to defend it. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/seth_davis/02/20/Hoop.Thoughts/index.html

Who was it on here that hates Seth Davis as much as me? MIR, was that you?

Hate Seth Davis, he's one of those cocksure dumbasses that I can't stand.

[kso_FAN]

Really surprised our RPI is that low.  Then again, I don't even know how the hell RPI works, and haven't checked is since last season probably.  All I know is they say it is used to group teams as "quality win, etc." and not really a way to actually rank the teams individually.  Still weird to think of KSU not being thought of as a quality win.

Seth Davis explains how it works in his stupid attempt to defend it. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/seth_davis/02/20/Hoop.Thoughts/index.html

Who was it on here that hates Seth Davis as much as me? MIR, was that you?

Hate Seth Davis, he's one of those cocksure dumbasses that I can't stand.

He is not helping himself on twitter... "but coaches will run up the score if MOV is used!". Man.

[kougar24]

Really surprised our RPI is that low.  Then again, I don't even know how the hell RPI works, and haven't checked is since last season probably.  All I know is they say it is used to group teams as "quality win, etc." and not really a way to actually rank the teams individually.  Still weird to think of KSU not being thought of as a quality win.

Seth Davis explains how it works in his stupid attempt to defend it. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/seth_davis/02/20/Hoop.Thoughts/index.html

Who was it on here that hates Seth Davis as much as me? MIR, was that you?

Hate Seth Davis, he's one of those cocksure dumbasses that I can't stand.

He is not helping himself on twitter... "but coaches will run up the score if MOV is used!". Man.

Question: Why are people so afraid of RUTS? Still hiding behind the "sportsmanship" facade? GMAFB.

[michigancat]

How often would RUTS even happen? For teams such as KSU (safely in ()) we've had maybe 2 or 3 games where walk-ons got in? And maybe against KU a walk-on got in against us?

[kso_FAN]

Question: Why are people so afraid of RUTS? Still hiding behind the "sportsmanship" facade? GMAFB.

Its really just Davis saying this from what I've read. He has to throw out dumb arguments to try to defend his asinine defense of the RPI.

[kso_FAN]

How often would RUTS even happen? For teams such as KSU (safely in ()) we've had maybe 2 or 3 games where walk-ons got in? And maybe against KU a walk-on got in against us?

Actual Davis tweet:

@MattNorlander Bubble team winning by 10 pts w 1:30 to go. Right now he takes out starters. Under your idea he leaves em in and pads margin.

[kougar24]

How often would RUTS even happen? For teams such as KSU (safely in ()) we've had maybe 2 or 3 games where walk-ons got in? And maybe against KU a walk-on got in against us?

Actual Davis tweet:

@MattNorlander Bubble team winning by 10 pts w 1:30 to go. Right now he takes out starters. Under your idea he leaves em in and pads margin.

The horror!

[Cartierfor3]

How often would RUTS even happen? For teams such as KSU (safely in ()) we've had maybe 2 or 3 games where walk-ons got in? And maybe against KU a walk-on got in against us?

Actual Davis tweet:

@MattNorlander Bubble team winning by 10 pts w 1:30 to go. Right now he takes out starters. Under your idea he leaves em in and pads margin.

If you pull your starters up by 10 with 1:30 left you are a bad coach. 

Seth Davis reminds me of all the old scouts in Money Ball. 

[Mikeyis4dcats]

How often would RUTS even happen? For teams such as KSU (safely in ()) we've had maybe 2 or 3 games where walk-ons got in? And maybe against KU a walk-on got in against us?

Actual Davis tweet:

@MattNorlander Bubble team winning by 10 pts w 1:30 to go. Right now he takes out starters. Under your idea he leaves em in and pads margin.

whotf takes out starters in that situation?

[michigancat]

It's like he doesn't ever watch basketball.

[kougar24]

It's like he doesn't ever watch basketball.

I know I was completely offended and pissed off when Barnes didn't pull his starters w/ 1:16 left last week. THEY WERE UP 10 and he left his starters in to push it to 11!

[kso_FAN]

It's like he doesn't ever watch basketball.

Yeah, he's terrible. Here is his "challenge":

Seth Davis @SethDavisHoops
I know you all are getting tired of this but I re-issue my fundamental challenge: If you rip the RPI, u have to reveal your bracket on 3/11.

[kougar24]

It's like he doesn't ever watch basketball.

Yeah, he's terrible. Here is his "challenge":

Seth Davis @SethDavisHoops
I know you all are getting tired of this but I re-issue my fundamental challenge: If you rip the RPI, u have to reveal your bracket on 3/11.

Ask him if he's outraged UT left their starters in against K-State, up 10 with 1:16 to go.

[MakeItRain]

Guys chill Seth forgot there is a shot clock and he thinks they play all ones the last two minutes.

[michigancat]

maybe he meant to say "up by 100 with 1:30 to go".

Who knows. Just giving him the benefit of the doubt.

[steve dave]

Norlander, Matthew @MattNorlander  Reply  Retweet  Favorite · Open
How 'bout that, @SethDavisHoops. RT @cjschmidt1: @MattNorlander Bubble team K-State was up 12 points w/ 1:30 to go. They pulled no starters.

 

[mcmwcat]

i like Norlander.  though i wish he'd change his podcast music back to what he had before and then use the current music when the NCAAs start

[kso_FAN]

RPI history: http://basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=2085

RPI should jump to around 30-32 with tonight's win BTW.